As the father of four daughters, I have to say how stunned I am at the lack of empathy among teachers for the victims of sexual abuse in the cult—and this is from the very top of the “teacher” hierarchy. I have often commented to my wife about the lack of empathy in the Stanton COC. An underlying failing of the sect is a culture that is completely lacking in self-awareness; the inability to put oneself in another’s shoes, even for a brief moment. This relates to the topic of judging—in order to dismiss a victim of abuse, you must judge them as bringing it on themselves. But more on judging another time.
I’ve found empathy to be one of the most rewarding life-skills. Not that I’m great at it. But I do recognize that it’s one thing to sympathize—to feel sorry for someone in their distress. It is another thing entirely to empathize—to feel what they feel. This is what Scripture says about empathy:
“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” – Galatians 6:2
“Be happy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep.” – Romans 12:15
“Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important.” – Galatians 6:2-3
“We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves.” – Romans 15:1
“Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose. Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.” – Philippians 2:2-4
“Try to do what is good for others, not just what is good for yourselves.” – 1 Corinthians 10:24
“Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.” – 1 Corinthians 10:33
“This makes for harmony among the members, so that all the members care for each other. If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it, and if one part is honored, all the parts are glad.” – 1 Corinthians 12:25-26
Indeed. All this takes empathy, which is several pay grades above sympathy.
So what is it with the victim-shaming at Stanton? By that, I am speaking of times when sexual abuse has happened, and instead of the perpetrator being called to account by teachers, the victim was blamed for not being spiritual enough. I don’t care what faults the victim might have, it doesn’t excuse the perpetrator from his or her actions.
I know something about this, since I had a foster daughter who was sexually assaulted after putting herself in a very unsafe situation. Yet what she needed to hear was empathy—whatever bad choices she made didn’t excuse the crime of the perpetrator. The perpetrator still was responsible for his actions. I hoped that she learned from the experience, but I also hoped that the perpetrator would be brought to justice.
How do I know anything about this, being a male? Because I love. When you love someone, you desperately seek their well-being, feel their pain, mentor them when you can, and rejoice in their victories. You don’t look down your nose at them. That’s not love.
That’s what is missing from Stanton’s power structure. Love and justice. Victims are shamed into a lifetime of guilt for actions that took place decades ago, either as innocent preteens, or as young teens when they were naive and vulnerable to the overtures of manipulative abusers.
But the power structure of Stanton COC continues to cover up the sexual abuse of members and children of members, for the sake of keeping the power structure in place. This is a gross abuse of authority, and must be stopped. If you have firsthand knowledge—and I emphasize the “firsthand” part—of sexual abuse covered up by the church, please email me confidentially.
Please don’t comment publicly, especially with names, unless it’s your story to tell; and even then, I ask for some caution. I can’t guarantee any specific course of action. I would just like to know how deep this goes, and figure out the wisest, most Christlike course of action based on what information comes to light. I have no doubt there are some people squirming right now. As they should be.
I was the victim of domestic violence. I was rebuked in front of the congregation by a male teacher in the cult who gave an example of a non-christian relative of his that stayed with her husband who beat her. The teacher said, "She must like it if she stays." Don't know what was worse, being physically hurt by a spouse that is supposed to love you or being humiliated and hurt in front of people by christians that are supposed to love you, so I left both.
Thank you sharing: Anonymous September 16, 2016 at 12:19 AM
I struggle greatly between being raised to never question “the children of God”, and standing up against the wrong doing. This has been a hard one to work toward overcoming. There have been two vastly different reactions over the years when I have shared a fraction of my abuse with others. Over a decade later, multiple incidents I have knowledge of throughout the SCOC, I wonder how many more there are that have been shamed into silence even still.
I was sexually assaulted by another individual I had been raised with. Not knowing where to turn for help, as we were taught not to involve law enforcement, I went to 1 of the 4 head counselors for guidance. The very first words out of their mouth were: "well what did you expect" (I had stayed the night at a sibling’s house with others that I had been raised with and trusted as family). The arrogance and haughtiness of the abuser coupled with the victim shaming from someone I had been taught to regard so highly, sealed my lips and internalized the pain for years.
Fast forward a few years, I was told through a roommate, (who is a child of the counselor I had gone to originally) this abuser would be coming to our house for a service. Still with the shame of being blamed “at fault”, I decided I would leave for the evening as to avoid interaction. When I returned home, I was clear to my roommate, "never was this individual to ever be welcomed into our home". Their response, "well, I thought you would be over it by now".
While there are many other interactions within the sect over the years only through other victims of sexual abuse and ONE parental figure has there been empathy. A family member even participated in discrediting the abuse.
With the example in 2 Samuel 13 of the mindset of Amnon, refusal and attempt at reasoning by Tamar, arrogance and force of Amnon, utter shame of Tamar and then retribution to Amnon by Absalom. Why then is this account not used as an example of the severity of damage that can be done? Even David found comfort in Absalom honoring Tamar by killing Amnon. While I am not advocating taking a life, this was a just punishment in their time. Unfortunately, I have never heard this portion of the account taught, only exhortation on lust, deception and bearing shame. I cannot speak for all teachings, I can only relate my experience, and know just a small fraction of the spirit of Absalom was found outside the SCOC.
Kevin, I am glad you touched on this as this has been a focal point that I have been trying to convey. The church lacks empathy and is shrouded in indifference when it comes to other people's plights, infirmities, and/or tribulations.
I have seen where some brethren get plenty of attention and others are ignored in their hardships. I all of this I kept thinking about how God would see this. He wasn't partial with his people.
I've used a lot of the scriptures you quoted to try and get the leaders to understand, but they would justify it away. I have, also, used this verse –
Philippians 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
I was told, by the preacher from the south, that I didn't know what the purpose of the church was. This is what I believe the purpose of the is –
2 Corinthians 1:4-6
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
We are meant to be here for each other, to support each other.
It is interesting, though, how many classes I have heard and how many talks I have listened to that have covered this topic and it seems that it almost never takes as nothing changes.
TC said in a talk that his mind isn't set up for considering other people. He did something that his wife corrected him on and was in the line of being empathetic towards somebody else and he said that he doesn't think in that direction. This is actually dangerous in that this would impact counseling anybody. I know that it affected my meeting with him.
This verse has always had a huge impact on how I see Jesus and how we need to be towards each other.
Hebrews 4:15-16
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
The priest will take a representative portion of the grain offering and burn it on the altar. It is a special gift, a pleasing aroma to the Lord.
10 The rest of the grain offering will then be given to Aaron and his sons as their food. This offering will be considered a most holy part of the special gifts presented to the Lord.
11 “Do not use yeast in preparing any of the grain offerings you present to the Lord, because no yeast or honey may be burned as a special gift presented to the Lord.
12 You may add yeast and honey to an offering of the first crops of your harvest, but these must never be offered on the altar as a pleasing aroma to the Lord.
13 Season all your grain offerings with salt to remind you of God’s eternal covenant. Never forget to add salt to your grain offerings.
14 “If you present a grain offering to the Lord from the first portion of your harvest, bring fresh grain that is coarsely ground and roasted on a fire.
15 Put olive oil on this grain offering, and sprinkle it with frankincense.
16 The priest will take a representative portion of the grain moistened with oil, together with all the frankincense, and burn it as a special gift presented to the Lord.
“If you present an animal from the herd as a peace offering to the Lord, it may be a male or a female, but it must have no defects.
Lay your hand on the animal’s head, and slaughter it at the entrance of the Tabernacle. Then Aaron’s sons, the priests, will splatter its blood against all sides of the altar.
3 The priest must present part of this peace offering as a special gift to the Lord. This includes all the fat around the internal organs,
4 the two kidneys and the fat around them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver. These must be removed with the kidneys,
5 and Aaron’s sons will burn them on top of the burnt offering on the wood burning on the altar. It is a special gift, a pleasing aroma to the Lord.
6 “If you present an animal from the flock as a peace offering to the Lord, it may be a male or a female, but it must have no defects.
7 If you present a sheep as your offering, bring it to the Lord,
8 lay your hand on its head, and slaughter it in front of the Tabernacle. Aaron’s sons will then splatter the sheep’s blood against all sides of the altar.
9 The priest must present the fat of this peace offering as a special gift to the Lord. This includes the fat of the broad tail cut off near the backbone, all the fat around the internal organs,
10 the two kidneys and the fat around them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver. These must be removed with the kidneys,
11 and the priest will burn them on the altar. It is a special gift of food presented to the Lord.
12 “If you present a goat as your offering, bring it to the Lord,
13 lay your hand on its head, and slaughter it in front of the Tabernacle. Aaron’s sons will then splatter the goat’s blood against all sides of the altar.
What a tremendous waste of time and energy.
People flip out when they hear the truth.
If anyone is flipping out, it’s you Ryan. The truth is you’re a hate-filled racist and you don’t belong on this blog filling the comments with racist comments. Go fill your own blog with your garbage. Have at it. I have never, nor will I ever, take over your personal blog.
We have already gone over this, this is why you should have read before raging.
Your method of argument is the same as every wicked communist. Call your opponent a “bigot,” “racist,” “hater,”
This site is devoted to the pursuit of wisdom, virtue, and the truth.
You don’t value any of those.
If you were a man of God you wouldn’t be hiding.
If you’re White, you are grossly ignorant and brainwashed.
You never learned how to have a reasoned conversation with people you disagree with.
And who created the word “racist.”?
You’d call Jesus a racist too, as he only preached in the synagogues and never baptized a gentile.
You are a racist, bigoted, hater Ryan. This blog was created to expose and discuss the teachings of the Church of Christ, started by Merie Weiss not so you can spew your racist hate-filled ideology. You have your own blog. Go sing to the choir over there. You’re wasting your time posting your hateful garbage here. I hope your comments continue to be buried.
More name-calling, as you’ve been brainwashed to do.
This all goes together.
Who was married to Merie last, and who funded her? What store did he own?
My site has over 3,000,000 views, but, telling the truth wherever I am is my goal.
Who appointed you the speech police?
Who gave you the right to tell others what they can and cannot say?
If you disagree, lay out your reasons, but whining and complaining about ideas you don’t like and resorting to juvenile name calling is disgusting coming from an adult.
As if Mr Weiss being Jewish had anything to do with Merie being the head of a cult.
It did.
Jews were behind feminism and egalitarianism.
That’s where Merie got the idea that writing brethren letters and teaching men was just fine. It’s not.
Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and nearly all social media have set a terrible example.
Every website with comments should allow all comments that don’t violate the First Amendment.
The only exceptions to the First Amendment, that it does not cover are profanity, obscenity, vulgarity, racial slurs, lying, slander, libel, and pornography.
As a result of this, we have a common misconception among millions of Americans who look only to hear what they’ve been indoctrinated to accept.
If we ask our deluded commenter here what media he/she pays attention to, we will hear the usual newspapers, television, radio, social media, and friends and family similarly deceived.
Then, when someone tells the truth, the deceived types go ballistic, as this violates their conditioning.
What’s interesting is you have so little control over your angry response to ideas you don’t like and understand, that instead of calmly considering it and deciding whether it’s true or not, you instead come on here and name call.
You can state anything you want, but instead of posting truths you’ve learned, you come on here and try to silence me. Preposterous.
I’ve been called all kinds of names on this website, but I’ve never been called a liar.
And the reason why you don’t address remarks you don’t like is because they are true, and you have no facts to refute them with.
Go ahead and tell yourself that Ryan. Believe your own lies. You are a liar. I won’t waste any time with you. Just because you use $50 words to describe your opponents doesn’t mean you’re not name calling. Ignoramus is a ‘name’. Wahhhhh.
Now you’re calling me a liar with zero proof. No one knows who you are or takes you seriously, you obviously never studied debate, and don’t understand logic.
You are ignorant, you act that way, you choose to be called ignorant.
You come on a website, refuse to carefully consider what’s said, hide, and throw out hundreds of scriptures to drown out what’s said?!?
That’s ignorant.
You, Ryan, are a liar. You have stated I’m black, as fact, numerous times. You stated I am Arizona, as fact, numerous times. You have surmised my motives and stated them as fact. You have made assumptions about my educational background, without knowing the first thing about me. The only fact you know is that I’m white. What you don’t know is love. You wouldn’t know human kindness and love for humanity if it smootched you on your racist cheek. You write hate-filled, racist, bigoted trash on a blog that you’re using to spread your white supremacist opinions rather than the topic at hand. This blog was not intended for your hateful purposes. If you discussed what we’re here for I wouldn’t be in such strong opposition but to use this as a platform to spread racist hate… I will continue to do what I’ve set out to do. You have your own blog (which I won’t click to open because I won’t stoop that low), so go sing to your choir ever there. The people like you who want to fill their hearts with evil surmising and hatred can enjoy your racist songs and clap for all of your views. Here is your brownie pin. I pity the people of North Dakota who now have to deal with your hate spewing, racist, bigoted, segregationist trash.
It’s not a lie, there was another similar commenter who constantly hollered your same words, brainwashed like you, and he was Black.
Hard to tell who is who with dozens of anonymous cowards attacking from the shadows.
You don’t have courage because you don’t have God and truth on your side.
You don’t know love, because love is based on truth. You don’t value truth, which is why you are on here hiding and being deceitful.
You should be afraid, you keep parroting the media that brainwashed you.
Your “love” has no meaning, because you attack the truth, which, while painful, is love.
You can’t even spell supremacist, and yet you keep on throwing around words you don’t understand and can’t spell.
This blog wasn’t designed for your gross ignorance and your parroting the lying media that you ignorantly think is a good arbiter of “love.”
Go figure out why the word “racist” wasn’t in the 1828 Webster’s dictionary.
You use words that you’ve been trained to use to control your mind and to stop you from critically thinking.
Also, please educate yourself on how America went from 90% White in 1960 to 57% today. Was that accidental?
No, there is a campaign to exterminate Whites, which is pretty hateful, and you are ignorantly supporting it.
You’re going to lose, you haven’t researched and you are making a grand fool of yourself. Which is why you hide, you’re running on your uninformed emotions.
My blog has over 1,000 books which have been hidden from you to keep you ignorant. So, you refuse to consider ideas you consider “racist” while you stupidly support the Jewish racist war to exterminate Whites.
If desegregation was so good, loudmouth, then let’s see one objective statistic on how America has improved as a result? The fact is that both races were doing better before desegregation.
But no, you can’t be bothered to go read a book, you want to keep running your mouth and parroting your brainwashing.
Lack of self awareness..
This is a behavior that is amplified in the very race that the commenter is a member of.
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.
Hahahahahahah! I’m white!!!! You really are a racist of the most disgusting kind.
No one knows who you are, you act like the biggest liar on the site.
You hide because you know you’re wrong and you’re afraid,
Acting like a ten year old, name calling and posting irrelevant scriptures.
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Yes! that is why I hide: I am afraid and I know I’m wrong. You know me, my race, my motives, etc. Thank you for enlightening me, oh wise one! Sure. Go ahead and believe your ridiculous assumptions. You believe your own lies and so at least one person believes you. Such a wise racist, bigoted, hateful human you are. Let’s all clap for Mr. Know-it-all!!!
And the crowd goes wild…
I took reasonable guesses at your race.
There was an earlier commenter whose style you resemble, it sounds like you’re a woman.
Besides ad-hominems, and you can’t attack any facts I laid out, you haven’t laid out any reasonable criticisms at all.
Pure emotions. A problem that Stanton often has too.
It sounds like you’re a woman and want to bellyache about your complaints about Stanton, and want to get rid of me so you can have a safe space to complain in peace.
You’re the only commenter on here in its 12 year history who tried to get rid of someone you disagreed with by posting random Bible scriptures, hundreds of them.
Oh wise one, now you know my gender!!! Hahahahaha because you have figured out my gender by what I post. You look so silly my little bambino, let mama kiss you and make you better.
I’m hoping more people will read this blog when you stop posting your hate-filled trash. I won’t ever give you the satisfaction of a debate. I have a feeling most readers would rather read scripture, limerick, random words, nonsense; almost ANYTHING other than your hate-filled racist trash. You fling personal attacks toward anyone who disagrees with you and make wild assumptions about anonymous people you know nothing about. You prejudiciously declare what and who people are based on your warped and hate-filled imagination. You use your $50 words and vaunt your intelligence; you criticize people because of their inability to spell or their use of $4.99 words. You write as though the common reader has ever even heard of logical fallicies, straw man arguments, etc, and you cut down people who have not read the books you have read. I will certainly NEVER read a single book you recommend if those books have twisted your thinking into what you post on this blog. I would rather be ignorant. I can see you’re lid being flipped as I typed the words ‘I would rather be ignorant.’ Don’t waste your time responding with said lid flipped. I won’t stop burying your trash. Here’s another pat to make you feel important my little kindeleh.
Well, are you a woman or just a feminine sounding man? What is it? So bold throwing rocks from the shadows. You’re hiding because you don’t have God on your side.
Oh, so wise.
I won’t read what you say, and I won’t consider the facts you lay out because I know you’re wrong,
Only a fool says this.
You have a “feeling”
That’s your problem, you have emotions, I have facts.
That’s why you hide, and I hide from no one.
Since you like scripture, what does Proverbs 28:1 say?
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
No one is stopping you from researching and educating yourself, only you are. If you feel you are intellectually outclassed, that’s nothing you can’t fix. You are never learning anything by dismissing ideas as “hateful.”
You are ignorant. Brainwashed to hate truth and love lies.
Wasting everyone’s time by parroting what the television, radio, and social media has brainwashed you with.
Let me explain… ‘I have a feeling’ is another way of saying, ‘I can’t speak for everyone and I won’t state this as if I KNOW each and every person’s thinking’ so I say, ‘I have a feeling.’ I could have said, ‘I would imagine’ or ‘I am not 100% sure’ or ,’I get the impression’. Glad I could clear that up for you. Now you might consider not speaking fact when you have a mere feeling, yes, men have feelings. I hate to break it to ya. Not all men, all women, all Jewish people, all Hispanic people, all black people, all Asian people, all ANYBODY can be put into your prejudged boxes and blamed for the worlds ills. God created each of us without a cookiecutter and Jesus came to save a white wretch like me.
“I have a feeling”
This is the way women think, there’s nothing wrong with it, but that’s why God created his order, which you don’t listen to and Stanton doesn’t either.
He knew that women’s emotions are easily deceived, and you’ve given abundant evidence of that.
You honestly are trying to do what you “feel” is right, but you lack the wisdom and knowledge to clearly see.
You’re a woman. You know how I figured that out? Because your responses to what I say, that’s how. Women are emotional, men are logical.
As for misdiagnosing your race, that’s because we had an emotional man on here for years who kept hollering “rayciss.”
Honest mistake.
Well, Paul was right,
1 Thessalonians 2
14] For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
[15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
There’s a reason why the Jews were condemned 193 times in the New Testament and the seven deadly sins pride, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, greed, and gluttony, were only condemned 113 times.
Christ went after those who perpetrated the sins, not those who were seduced by it. And so do I.
You don’t understand what’s going on, so while you hate knowledge, you’re never learning with your current arrogance.
Reasonable guesses are another word for lie when they are stated as FACT. Interesting how you excuse your lies. You look silly my little kindeleh.
It’s called an educated guess.
Ah yes, I’m being called silly by the grown adult who wastes everyone’s time posting hundreds of scriptures without addressing ideas you HATE because you don’t understand them.
You’re one of the most hateful people on the website while you sit here and keep calling others hateful.
It’s hateful to ignore what anyone says and dismiss it without considering it.
Eve: Deceived
Sarah: Deceived
Dinah: Deceived
Anne Hutchinson: Deceived
Merie Weiss: Deceived
Every woman teacher in Stanton: Deceived
You: Deceived.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Are you understanding why God told women to never teach men in public?