Several people have sent me audio files from various meetings since I started this blog, and I just happened to browse some of them recently. One caught my eye called “Standing in the Gap” from November 2013. It sounded inspiring enough, so I imported it into my iTunes and started listening.
It was rather lengthy, and I recalled having started listening to it before, but never made it to the end. After awhile, I remembered why. It took some time to get up to speed, wandering a bit aimlessly for the first 40 minutes. Eventually, though, there were some valuable points made.
Most it was charming prose, though maybe a bit too self-conscious. From one story to another, the first 40 minutes of the talk were about the speaker’s ailments, how rough it is to be a preacher, how important his work is, how much influence he’s had on younger preachers, and how difficult it is to give a 4 hour lesson.
Jesus Take The Wheel
What really stuck out to me, though, was when he launched into a piece about his doctor’s “Jesus Take The Wheel” kind of faith, and how laughable it was that his doctor admonished him to trust God as a way to deal with his stress before standing up behind the pulpit. I guess we can’t have someone who’s not a member of “The Church” giving meaningful spiritual advice to a preacher.
You can listen to this 5 minute segment I’ll call “The Preacher and the Doctor” that starts at about 29:45 in the full audio version. In it, he mocked the doctor’s Biblical advice to trust God (to the chuckles of the audience). A perusal of scripture suggest that we go with the good doctor on this one:
Psalm 37:5 – Commit your way to the LORD; trust in him and he will do this:
Psalm 55:22 – Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall.
Psalm 56:3-4 – When I am afraid, I will trust in you. In God, whose word I praise, in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me?
Psalm 94:19 – When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought joy to my soul.
Proverbs 16:3 – Commit to the LORD whatever you do, and your plans will succeed.
Isaiah 40:31 – But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.
John 14:27 – Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
Philippians 4:6-7 – Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
To me, the doctor’s advice actually displays a genuine, real-world kind of faith–a faith that is not ivory tower kind of stuff, but practical, where the rubber meets the road of our Christian walk. Let go and let God. Jesus, take the wheel.
I know, this is just bumper sticker theology, you say–a trite saying finessed by Nashville into a recording contract. Perhaps, but there’s some powerful, life-changing, Biblical admonition in there. I’d be careful about mocking it just because you first heard it on a country station.
He acknowledges that the doctor has a deep faith (with the obligatory “of sorts” caveat), but it struck me that the doctor’s faith was perhaps deeper and more practical than his own. In fact, I’d say the doctor’s “Jesus Take The Wheel” kind of faith was the same kind that caused Paul to go into the tent-making business to support his ministry to convert the Roman Empire. Kind of a crazy plan, but he entrusted his plans to the Lord, and guess what? They succeeded, just as the scriptures promise. It’s the same kind of faith that prompted Paul to criss-cross the known world without fear, go to Macedonia despite warnings of impending imprisonment, and eventually die in Rome for the cause of Christ. Yet the doctor’s Paul-style faith was played up for laughs.
I mean no disrespect by pointing this out. This analysis is not about the preacher. I don’t know him at all, but I honestly think I’d like him if I met him. So as far as the person goes, I will chalk this up to an off-day behind the podium.
For that reason, I’d prefer that names be kept out of this, simply because it’s not about him, or questioning his motives, which I assume are wonderful, but about underscoring a dangerous theology that seeks to cheapen the value of trust in God in everyday life.
I’m here to say loudly and clearly that our God who made the universe, and who made you and me, can and does help those who trust in Him in everyday life–whether that is preaching an effective sermon, overcoming stress and physical ailments, or guiding the hands of a surgeon. We have an all-powerful God who cares deeply about our everyday lives.
After listening to this talk, I was honestly left a little confused. On one hand, he acknowledged the importance of faith, and that it provides victory over the weakness of the flesh, but on the other, appears to mock this whole idea that we can actually cast our burdens on Him. There is a disconnect here that’s hard to put my finger on, but it’s as if he’s saying the idea of absolutely trusting in God is too good to be true. This is accentuated by the doubts he expresses in the face of his struggles, thinking that maybe God has left him somehow. This reminds me of Peter’s lack of faith walking on the sea. It was not that Jesus left Peter to sink, it was that Peter’s faith wavered when the going got tough. He didn’t fully “let Jesus take the wheel.”
This disconnect seems to turn all that Christian talk of the importance of faith into a sort of lip service–something that may sound good in theory, but in real life, when you actually get up to give a sermon–you just can’t put your stress about that into God’s hands. We, after all, are the tip of the spear, God’s partner to get this done.
It also struck me as odd that he is glad to not have to rely on a surgeon who prays for God’s guidance for his hands. I, for one, would happily put myself into the care of a surgeon who commits his work to the Lord in prayer, believing in faith that God will help him accomplish his task successfully. Do I want him to have some great surgery experience under his belt, too? Yeah, there is that. 🙂
I don’t want to be too negative, and I don’t want to be flippant about this man’s ailments or the contradictions of faith I heard. In fairness, I did find some sound exhortation in the latter half of the talk. There was some good encouragement about avoiding fearfulness, avoiding excessive negativity, and being committed to the cause of Christ to the death. All good stuff, and delivered charmingly.
Overall, there was some worthwhile exhortation. But that “Jesus Take The Wheel” segment…yikes!
Here is the snippet again, and here’s the full audio if you’d like to listen to the entire talk.
Note: A part of me is really hesitant to post this, because I don’t want anyone to think this blog is about tearing down people. I hope you can see that that’s not what this is about. I’ve been behind the podium before, and I’ve not always been happy with myself afterward. In fact, sometimes embarrassingly so. The golden rule applies here, and while I wouldn’t necessarily like someone dissecting my sermon on a blog, if I was speaking unbiblically, I would honestly want someone to correct me so I could deepen my faith. I hope that my analysis here can be received in that light.
Tom is a good man, I can honestly say I respect and admire him, and for that matter, every single preacher in the Church of Christ. I'm not worried who is right, I'm worried about what is right. When authority is rigidly upheld by strict admonitions to listen to your teachers, the younger generation, and indeed, the entire church is disabled. For now, if you want truth, go ask your teacher. Going for counsel is indeed wise, but that does not absolve any Christian from "Prove all things, hold fast to what is true". The measure of great leaders is not how admired and revered they are, it is their ability to inspire and cultivate present and future leaders, that are not obedient just to them, but to the truth that God speaks. The church can learn a lot from Yoda in Star Wars. He mentored Luke by guiding him into truth, making Luke question and find things for himself. He discouraged Luke from always asking him and expecting to get easy answers. By forcing Luke to find out for himself, he ensured Luke truly learned, and actually became a wise warrior himself. I know I am discrediting myself by mentioning a "worldly" movie, but every human is born with a shard of God's soul in them, our conscience, and there is really no one we cannot learn from.
For some reason the Church shies away from faith, and love, as if those are bad things. I'm still waiting to meet the human who did something without first believing it was possible. I'm wondering why Hebrews 11:6 isn't touched on more often, "But without faith it is impossible to please God, for he that cometh to him, must believe in him, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him". You don't believe, you don't perform. So when I see a lack of growth, it's not rocket science, belief and achievement are married. Where there is no achievement, and I'm not talking about numbers alone, but at least spread the church to every state in the U.S, the belief cannot be sound.
Further evidence of this is the extraordinary difficulty in carrying out God's will. Slothfulness is not an issue when love is motivating me, because then the difficult becomes doable. Unfortunately, when the church pretends to be the arbiter of men's spiritual states, it discards some of the greatest sinners, who God delights in making the greatest saints. Individual stories of conversion, and of great sinners transforming their lives, are the lifeblood of the church, and without these, the church's main function is not performed. How can a church help an individual, if it believes it can determine the individual has lost their mind? Is the church a MOTO church, master of the obvious. There is no reward for viewing those with problems and doing what the Levite and the Priest did to the Wounded man, leaving them on the side of the road and continuing on one's busy life. Rather, it is the Good Samaritans, who can see those who are wounded in their sins, and can love them when they do not deserve it, and inspire humans to love themselves, as God loved us when we did not deserve it.
The law was supposed to make us comprehend how utterly incapable we were of fulfilling it, not to labor to try to be accepted based on our adherence to it. The amazing paradox is that those who accept God's mercy and grace, and reach forward for his forgiveness have accomplished a lot more in the Bible than the Pharisees ever did. When we realize the enormous obstacles of our own lust and depravity we had to overcome to destroy sin in our lives, it is supposed to make us far more compassionate and understanding towards those not so fortunate. While church discipline is always necessary, do the teachers weep over the fallen as Jesus did over Jerusalem? Are we aware that the sorrow of another human being over my evil is sometimes enough to bring me to repentance?
Lawlessness in the church cannot be permitted, but then again, if laws are adhered to that God never commanded, lawlessness wins still. The church of Christ has enormous potential, it only needs to lay aside the reliance on our will alone, let us learn from Martin Luther, who learned YOU CAN NOT OBTAIN SALVATION BY YOUR WORKS ALONE, nor by faith alone, but that faith must precede the work. Our efforts are badly damaged when we are continuously evaluating ourselves on our works alone, for everyone of us has sin enough, and if we don't, it is right around the corner. God clearly said our righteousness to him is as filthy rags. The whole intent of sin was that I could see myself in humble terms, and others in better terms, and LOVE flourishes when I see myself as small, and others as better. Moses was a meek man, Paul called himself the greatest sinner, but the church today finds it necessary to exalt our strong points, minimize our weak points, and to minimize others strong points, and exalt their weak points. Is there any better recipe for spiritual pride? Is it not spiritual pride that discredited the Pharisee in Luke, was not the publican who honestly admitted his faults and admitted himself a sinner more approved than the Pharisee who appeared to be more righteous? Do we really believe the Pharisee had more sins than the Publican? The Bible is clear, the Pharisee is telling the truth about how good he was, he was not condemned for hypocrisy or lying, but rather for his proud, arrogant attitude, about how he was better than every one else.
Until the church can look at the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world, and say, "There but for the grace of God, Go I", it will never change, and when God's grace is denied to others, it cannot help but be denied to us as well. By the way, Jeffrey Dahmer supposedly was converted to the Church of Christ, definitely not Stanton, before his death. In the Stanton Church of Christ today, a prostitute, a murderer, an adulteress, a thief would have an extremely difficult time, for the church would not look and love as God does, but they would look and love based on past performance, as you supposedly need to "earn" their approval and love. Exactly where did unconditional love go? I'm waiting to meet the member who was "worthy" of God's salvation in accepting him into the church to begin with, and if we weren't worthy at the beginning, how is it we have such a difficult time loving people who are as we once were?
Anon 8:06 – I agree with you that the Stanton church has potential as there are many good people therein who put their hearts into what they believe. I love them dearly but after spending decades in their ranks, I learned that all those works didn’t make me LOVE GOD nor did it bring be into favor with the teachers. Well, I must admit that as long as I was adhering to the counsel, I stated on their ‘good side’. Once I began to think for myself- not so much. What I could hardly fathom after I left Stanton co Christ, was that I never learned to LOVE God. I understand ,now, that Love is not part of their doctrine. I cannot see this ever changing.
I totally agree that the Stanton churches do not receive the cast out of this world and embrace them to save their soul. They (as did I) were too busy trying to dissect the sin in the individual’s life that caused them to be in their ‘lowly state’.
I converted my older sister to the SCoC a year after I came in. She had problems due to being molested as a child, as a result she had some quirks. She was questioned for uncleanness. Withdrawn from. Lost her mind. My point being – no one tried a compassionate approach to know her. That is not the approach the church takes. Scrutiny is the rule of the day. I know it all too well.
Since leaving the SCoC I have been blessed to see the REAL side of God. Hope. Mercy. And especially GRACE. SO many who have left the church ( esp. the ones raised in the church) are afraid to try another church because they want nothing to do with the god they were taught to obey!
My eyes were opened wide to the mercy and grace recently as I gathered with friends over coffee. Three of the women are dedicated to a ministry which serves women who work at STRIP CLUBS ,here in Des Moines locally. My jaw dropped when I heard of it. In some cities it’s called the “Jericho ministry”. The clubs , overall, have received this ministry and many of the women feel ‘trapped’ in a profession they would rather not be in. Never have I seen the SCoC humbling themselves to serve anyone on this level. I have seen brethren treated with disdain ,over and over. I cannot see them changing as long as they stay with this sect. But with God anything is possible! I know. I have been given a new life outside of the SCoC.
I am so thankful to God! did it bring be into favor with the teachers. Well, I must admit that as long as I was adhering to the counsel, I stated on their ‘good side’. Once I began to think for myself- not so much. What I could hardly fathom after I left Stanton co Christ, was that I never learned to LOVE God. I understand ,now, that Love is not part of their doctrine. I cannot see this ever changing. (1st half, 2nd half is coming)
I totally agree that the Stanton churches do not receive the cast out of this world and embrace them to save their soul. They (as did I) were too busy trying to dissect the sin in the individual's life that caused them to be in their 'lowly state'.
I converted my older sister to the SCoC a year after I came in. She had problems due to being molested as a child, as a result she had some quirks. She was questioned for uncleaness. Withdrawn from. Lost her mind. My point being – no one tried a compassionate approach to know her. That is not the approach the church takes. Scrutiny is the rule of the day. I know it all too well.
Since leaving the SCoC I have been blessed to see the REAL side of God. Hope. Mercy. And especially GRACE. SO many who have left the church ( esp. the ones raised in the church) are afraid to try another church because they want nothing to do with the god they were taught to obey!
My eyes were opened wide to the mercy and grace recently as I gathered with friends over coffee. Three of the women are dedicated to a ministry which serves women who work at STRIP CLUBS ,here in Des Moines locally. My jaw dropped when I heard of it. In some cities it's called the "Jericho ministry". The clubs , overall, have received this ministry and many of the women feel 'trapped' in a profession they would rather not be in. Never have I seen the SCoC humbling themselves to serve anyone on this level. I have seen brethren treated with disdain ,over and over. I cannot see them changing as long as they stay with this sect. But with God anything is possible! I know. I have been given a new life outside of the SCoC.
I am so thankful to God! (2nd half)
I pray that by this being on Facebook more people within the cult will read the blog and for the families who do not belong to the cult to read this and help those trying to get out.
Thank you. My plan is to share all existing articles on the blog with the Facebook page over time to give them more exposure.
If everyone who reads this will take a few minutes to like the page at https://facebook.com/StantonBlog, that will help get this content in front of more people who need it.
Wow, Donna, you really get it, and I am sorry to hear about your sister, that is so terrible, and yet so common. I bet over 100 people have been labelled as "lost their mind" by the church, and the teachers certainly aren't falling all over themselves to make restitution over this. Amazing that the teachers are death on someone running a stop sign, but they destroy lives with their ignorance and don't think twice about it. Straining at gnats and swallowing camels 2,000 years after Jesus. And yes, I know of whoremongers, prostitutes, strippers and the like who make fantastic Christians. The crazy thing is, the zeal sinners put into sinning, often makes them greater saints when they devote their lives to God. But when you have Pharisees running around on their spiritual high horses, look out.
Shameful thing is, this church helps people out, http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/evangelism/Strand_XXXChurch.aspx, and S COC would throw them out and call them worthless, useless, and completely damaged for the rest of their life. Stanton Church of Christ would baptize them, and then, if they tried to share or do anything in the church, they would be reminded that they need to be quiet because they have a shameful past. So once they've been baptized it's like "Congratulations, you are a huge sinner, and we will make sure you remember that for the rest of your life". "We will love you enough to remind you of your past failures anytime you ever try to succeed and learn from your failures, so you can learn to stay in your place, and not get uppity". LOL. It's a travesty.
This is taken so far out of context and the religious world loves doing it.
"God clearly said our righteousness to him is as filthy rags."
You need to take this scripture in it's context. It is not saying that our righteousness is as filthy rags. It is telling of how that God meets him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: but the people who this is about is saying that they did not call on his name and stayed in their iniquity.
Keep this in context.
Our righteousness can not be as filthy rags God views them this way.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Thankfully, God made it so that our measly efforts to be righteous are not how he measures us. No one could stand before him based on their own righteousness. When God judges those who are in Christ, he will be judging his righteousness, not ours.
1 Corinthians 1:30 – It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God–that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
2 Corinthians 5:21 – God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
I agree Kevin. We will be judged by our keeping the commandments or not.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Lynn, I agree that faith and good works are what a Christian has and does, but I disagree that our efforts to attain this is the sole criteria for our salvation. The mistake I have seen happen so often in the church is people spend entire lifetimes feeling perfectly justified for not trying to do more because of past sins, and the leadership of the church is o.k. with this. Case in point, and I'll give you examples to illustrate what I'm talking about, a brother stands up and asks forgiveness for a rather serious offense, which for the sake of confidentiality will remain nameless. He had been withdrawn from, but not for this offense, so six years after he confesses his offense, he is reminded of his past misdeeds when he asks question in class that is contrary to the teacher. He is soundly rebuked, and told about his serious past, and I don't think he has shared since. That is what I am talking about. Doing righteousness is good, but part of righteousness is humility. The example of the Pharisee and Publican is specifically to highlight those who do good and despise others ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. When we become righteous we should be able to relate to those not yet there. Stern teaching is in order for rebellious and stubborn offenders, but when someone admits their faults, gentleness and compassion is in order.
You yourself know that while the church of Christ will soundly rebuke sexual improprieties, which is good, not one example exists where someone admits what they did, and changes and goes onto become an asset to the church. It is a shame the religious world has Steve Arterburn and Fred Stoeker who put the church of Christ to shame, bigtime, though I don't agree with their charging people for healing. Fred Stoeker was sleeping with four women in college, finally had a son, and ended his addiction. He sat his son down at 11, explained that he had addiction issues, his father, and grandfather all had as well. His son, HELPED BY HIS FATHERS HUMILITY, went on to marry a virgin and remain a virgin. But our church sits there and won't allow any examples of people being healed to come out. You have to look super perfect.
That is obvious nonsense, which is why David and Samson were too of the strongest men in the entire Bible, yet God showed their weaknesses, not to endorse the weaknesses, but to show God's might and power is not stifled by human sin, but he can act in spite of it. Both men suffered consequences, but they made it to heaven, and if there was a greater king than David, I'd like to know who he was. How can a man, who remained King after committing adultery and murder, not be understood for the sinner/saint he was? If David was in our church today, as a preacher, since we don't have kings, he would be sat down, his story would be spread coast to coast, and he would never preach again. Oh, and Samson, who faithfully judged Israel forty years, while he was committing indiscretions, we forget Israel didn't sit him down, God did. No evidence exists for any faulty judgements he made with others, though his personal life was full of them.
The point is God's might is magnified in men's weaknesses. Sin is never approved, and contrition and penitence are always necessary, however, God created us, and to say he could not heal us is downright silly. It is sad because if they would accept God's forgiveness, they would be more forgiving with others, but because they think God is so vengeful, they are terribly vengeful with the world, and their growth is practically nonexistent. Wonder what Jesus was nailed on the Cross for, because apparently his sacrifice isn't needed in the Church of Christ. You get baptized, and you are a member, but it is your sins that determine your righteousness, Jesus death doesn't really matter after all. No this is not Baptist Doctrine, this is far older than that, it goes back to Martin Luther in the 1500's when the Church of Christ wasn't even around.
And it is utterly foolish to get a Bible and try to follow it nearly 2,000 years after it was written, and try to rely on the past fifty years of members of the Church of Christ, starting with Merie, trying to follow it and THROW nearly 1,900 years of human history of trying to follow the same book into the trash can and call it unimportant. Doesn't the average Junior High Student in History for the first time do the same thing? Tries to say history isn't important so he doesn't have to learn it. No different from the Church of Christ today.
"I disagree that our efforts to attain this is the sole criteria for our salvation."
I also agree with this, but it seems to many times people try to defend a faith only belief by making this statement. I'm not saying you are and I'm not saying that just "works" define Christianity. Our walk with God entails our obedience to the scriptures (works), faith, mercy, understanding, forgiveness, love, etc.
Kevin, we all know that the commandments we follow are the ones laid out for us from Matthew to Revelation. Whenever the scriptures dictate for us to do something we do it and when it dictates for us to not do something we don't do it. This is the law of Christ, but there is something that is combined with this that many of the CoC leaders have left out. Love. I Cor 13. I have read a lot of what has been said here and they all have the same premise. The dispensation of the gospel has been dealt out without compassion.
I use to watch people beat up non-members on personal work nights by berating their religions. I saw this was getting nowhere. So what I started doing was being more compassionate with them at the doors. Instead of going right after their religion I would talk to them about their interest in the bible and learning more of what it had to offer. I tried to do like Paul did in relating to them on their level to gain the more.
I believe a lot of the CoC leaders, preachers, and teachers have lost that way even in dealing with their congregations. If that kind of treatment can turn away non-members, then what can it do to the Christians. It turns people away. People shut their ears and eventually leave. If you look you will see a lot of the stories here are about the ways that people have been treated.
Lynn, what commandments are you referring to? Commandments ought to be fairly easy to enumerate.
Romans 13:8, 9 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
One thing those who lack faith have a lot of is pride. Because if your righteousness is based on your own efforts to obtain God's salvation, which are required by God, but not the sole criteria for salvation, than you are NO DIFFERENT from the catholic church in the 1500's, which said salvation was based on your works, and almost IDENTICALLY to our current church of Christ, demanded total submission, not to the Bible, but to the Pope. The Stanton Church of Christ today will state that the Bible is their authority, but just let a young member find something in the Bible that a teacher did not find, and that young member will be in serious trouble.
It is common knowledge that those who are liars, think others are liars, those who commit adultery, suspect others of adultery, those who steal, think others are thieves. We see others not as they are, but as we are. This is why Jesus said take the 4 X 4 out of your own eye before you judge how to help your brother take the speck out of his own. Because he realized, if we don't know ourselves, we are liable to project our faults on others. And the Stanton Church of Christ today is, all too often, guilty of this. If a teacher is questioned, and the teachers biblical understanding is wrong, which is completely possible since we are all fallible, the teacher WILL NOT admit they are wrong. They feel they are a teacher, because of their righteousness, so if they are wrong, they must not be a teacher. So they CANNOT admit they are wrong, because to do so would be a direct threat to their teaching capacity, and indeed the church. It's a shame when a teacher cannot be corrected because if the correction is valid, they feel they are no longer worthy to be a teacher.
It's a good thing, Naaman didn't think this way. When his little maid servant came and recommended he go see a prophet of Israel, he was initially proud, but he came to his senses, and because he came to his senses, HE WAS HEALED. Why is it that it is so absurd that the teachers in the Church of Christ today, many of whom were raised in the world with all of it's sin, distractions, and lies, would have ideas shown to the generation they raised, since the generation they raised avoided television and many of the impure environments that are present when children are raised in the world?
Why would it be doubted that new understandings from the children raised in a purer environment are entirely probable, though definitely not guaranteed? So when a child, who sees farther because they stand on the shoulders of giants, sees where the church can improve, and politely tries to inform the teachers of this, do the teachers accept it and act on it, worrying less about who is right, and more about what is right, or do they begin World War III claiming the young person is "Proud", "Arrogant", "Haughty", and then go searching for all the dirt the young person has ever done in desperate attempts to discredit the questioner, and use the questioners faults to elevate the teachers opinions?
Ironically, sadly, and tragically those with the most pride accuse the person who reveals this the most, which is anyone showing them to be wrong, (since pride is thinking you know when you really don't), of the very sin they themselves are guilty of. Since not one person can ever raise their hand in a bible class and disagree with a teacher, you have an authoritarian environment, where truth is not what matters, but rather who says what. History shows how foolish this is. When America was founded, there was a LOT of division, but it was worked through and an agreement reached, and people weren't withdrawn from for not agreeing with other members. It's no coincidence I am typing this in the present day mightiest nation on earth. Power, might, and success are contained in self confidence born in the knowledge God is with us, in humility, and in relentless pursuit of truth, no matter the cost, it is not found in tyrannical enforcement of principles, silencing opposition, and making church happenings secret.
The Stanton Church of Christ can easily seek God in this, and he can purify all the wrongs, and return right from wrong, but NOTHING WILL CHANGE unless attitudes do first, and it is impossible to change a situation that is not deemed incorrect. A mistake does not become an error until you refuse to correct it, so will the church admit it's pride, or will God have to deal with it?
Another scenario which happens quite regularly, is breaking the spirits. On ranches, when you have a wild horse there is two ways to break him. One is you use firmness and allow the horse to keep his spirit, so that when he is broken he will still be lively, the other is to break him completely and even his spirit, so that he no longer even dares think of challenging you. The church, unfortunately, uses and has used the latter method.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely said the British historian Lord Acton, and sadly, the Stanton Church of Christ has chosen to defend their beliefs not with reason, not with logic, not with scripture, but with brute force. Any challenges to their beliefs, armed with scripture, are not informed of what the Bible says on the topic at all. Instead any younger challenger is told "obey your teachers", "Receive instruction", "You are younger, and haven't been doing this as long", "We have been doing it this way always", "All the other churches do it this way". "Why do we all agree and you are the only one who doesn't". To an intelligent and unbiased observer these responses are the typical responses of someone who doesn't really have an answer and doesn't give two hoots about what the Bible says, but will use all power at their disposal to crush dissent. Tyranny is using arbitrary force to get one's way, and when a question is asked, and you try to shoot down the questioner with threats, and ostracizing them, you clearly don't have answers.
I was told by my first teacher in Phoenix that he was going to break my spirit; he did not succeed. I had just been through six years of oppression in the military and was so happy to be free that nothing was going to bring me down. He justified his action with Pr 15:13 by the sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken. His attempts to break my spirit by playing both friend and enemy was small in comparison to what the military does. I found that he taught differently on many things than the evangelist and did it with much anger. He played both God and the Devil in his behavior, pretending to be a concerned and caring teacher and then taking info shared in private and using it for public humiliation. He truly had a Doctor Jeckel and Mr. Hyde personality. I started wondering what qualifications he had for holding a position of authority in the church(none). I saw after twelve years in "the Church" that nothing good ever happpened there. Year after year it was this church folding or this individual going down in flames. I wonder why so much of the teaching was fear inducing until I saw the movie V for Vendetta. In it the evil leader quotes "show them they need us, put out every fear based story you can!" This was the church of christ I knew fear inducing lessons. The good side of God was not spoken of. Their teachings were totalitarian in nature and shared many of the same tactics as Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. I don't fear God anymore, I love him for his goodness. The God they worship is the angry Merie Weiss who was beyond approach, this is what they strive for no one can question them without getting their head bit off. You can successfully back them down with their god too; by using the phrase "Merie said" no one will question Merie and they will back down. Now realize that there is no way to prove what Merie said or did not say, and even with the tapes of her lessons there is no way to understand the context in which she taught. You are not powerless against their oppression they can be defeated, they can be proven false. Phobia indoctrination, the enemy doctrine, and so many other teachings are not only false, but hurtful.
Knowledge and wisdom are essential to love. It is hard to fault the teachers of today, for they gave the next generation a far better upbringing than they were given. While God can change anything, humility, which is what the teachers continually exhort upon, is necessary for them to learn. That business of sharing private info publicly gets lawyers and doctors fired, but the church does it all the time. When a child is being threatened or someones life is in danger, I understand, but when someone admits they are wrong and comes to you and you go blasting it all over creation, do we not realize, "Love covers a multitude of faults"? How much do you love someone if the minute they bring you something you bring it out publicly? A lot of this is learned behavior, because the teachers of today were treated like this by their teachers and don't know any better.
I hate to say it but your assessment of the totalitarian nature is SPOT ON. Lord Acton, the british historian, said, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" and it is hard to disagree with this assessment. Leaders are there to help people and guide and love the flock, not to tyrannize over it.
There is no fear in love, says one chapter in the Bible, and this is why the church has such a difficult time with love. Unconditional love is almost unconditionally unheard of
Withdrawal was advocated in 1 Cor 5 as a way to deal with obvious flagrant rulebreakers who were not ashamed of their sin at all. It was not designed as a tool to be used to shut up opposition to teachers who can't answer scriptural questions. Also, the church is fond of saying, "We didn't question when we were babes". WHAT?? Are you kidding me? Why didn't you question? You were commanded full well in Thessalonians to "Prove all things, hold fast to that which is true"? If you didn't question teachings that were not scripturally sound you were disobeying God, and you don't get any rewards for just going along with the flow.
It is ridiculous to see humans who think the obviously easier course, of not rocking the boat, and following orders, which is clearly far safer, is the wisest, most commendable course. That is why today's church is nowhere near what the church was in Acts, because then we had a man, Paul, who wasn't afraid to rebuke Peter to his face, and James who corrected a leader to his face, and Jesus who told the religious leaders to their faces they were wrong. It is funny because today the church is convinced only an older person in the church who has been in for some time is right. Yet if this logic were used in Jesus day, Jesus would have definitely been wrong, because he was half the age of the men who had been leaders all their lives. But today the broken logic exists that the person who is a teacher and been a Christian longer must automatically be correct. People believe this nonsense, and it is intellectual laziness, and a refusal to do the necessary critical thinking needed to uncover truth. Truth is never handed to anyone, it must be sought for and fought for. It must be suffered for, endured for , and persevered for. People who are used to doing the easiest thing, and are not courageous enough, and brave enough to seek the truth at all costs, ARE NEVER GOING TO OBTAIN TRUTH, but darned if they don't crucify those who do seek it.
So to all those who the Stanton Church of Christ chose to arbitrarily withdraw from or worse, every single member of that church has the blood of souls on your head. If you think you are following orders because that is what your teacher told you to do, you are no different from the Germans in 1940 who were just "following orders". If you have no scriptural reason why someone was withdrawn from and it had better be something more sound than "walking disorderly", which is referring to lazy men who aren't supporting their families contextually, or "sowing seeds of discord", which isn't even in the New Law, and appears in Proverbs twice and is simply used as a catch all by teachers to "prove" that someone needs to be withdrawn from, when in reality, anyone who disagrees with the teacher, regardless if the teacher is wrong, is labelled as "sowing seeds of discord", and withdrawn from so fast it makes ones head spin. Then, if you talk to the withdrawn from person, you are "carnal", and if you sympathize with them, you are not "spiritual", and you are a babe, and need to grow up spiritually. If you dream of disagreeing with a withdrawal, you are threatened with withdrawal, and all the misdeeds you have ever done are catalogued to keep you in line.
Martin Luther- I have seen just what you spoke about. Those who need healed come to the church and are labeled. If they are deemed 'okay' to baptize, their history is never forgotten. The poor souls cannot forget their past because they are reminded of it often, and thus have a continuing battle with their mind, never able to go forward because they have no confidence and no self-esteem.
A few years ago a situation came up where it was deemed that a brother needed 'talked to'. This brother had a past that went back to his teen years and this was brought up in regards to judgements concerning others interacting with him in the congregation. He did/does many good things for brethren and I hoped he would get going spiritually. The main teacher was sick the day they wanted to talk to him, so it was decided I would go with one of the preachers. After the initial concern was addressed I asked him what was holding him back and "what could we do to help him?" I showed care and concern for him, that's all. When myself and the preacher talked afterward, the preacher said to me "I've never seen someone spoken to the way you did" ( meaning – a teacher in the church to someone who is being talked to). He commended me for how I treated this brother.
Unfortunately this was not how I conducted myself the entire time I was a teacher. I wasn't trained to trust people at their word and use compassion. Even now I look back on times I was 'set down' for 'getting in trouble' and question within myself if I was really guilty of the offense or if I was made to believe I was guilty. I also question whether brethren were actually guilty of offenses they were confronted on.
I remember some of my best times in the church were when I was set down and could focus on working out my own salvation instead of worrying about micro-managing others. It was at those times I was the closest to God because I said to Him "just let me be a doorkeeper in the house of God!"
Donna, I know what you mean. As I studied more and more and grew more and more I could see how the teachers were mistreating each other. In this congregation, at one time, every preacher, except a young one, and teacher were withdrawn from for how they were towards other people. What replaced them was worse. I left the congregation for a while. When I came back I could still see it. One teacher, who has been in the church now for around 35 years, was sat down because of her lack of compassion.
I refused to bend to this type of treatment. The biggest thing that was in the back of my mind is that these are the people of God and I have no right to mistreat any of them, but I could never fathom why other people could do it so easily.
It seems to many leaders are more ready to let you know when you are wrong or it seems you are doing something wrong rather than take time to communicate and relate to you.
A preacher up here was having problems. His wife had fallen away. I felt for him. When I found out I used that personal work night to take him out to dinner and be there for him and carry some of his burdens. That had a huge impact on him. He was having other problems and eventually fell away. He made the statement that it is interesting that when he was having problems that I was the only one who came to encourage him.
I am saddened to relate this, because the Stanton Church of Christ has wonderful members, and I can honestly say I love everyone of them, but I love truth more than I love any human, and I have tried to be quiet, but my heart burns within me and I could not refrain. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, and it is time that the shackles of tyranny are forever broken and the church becomes the beautiful institution of mercy, love, and forgiveness Christ died to make it. When this happens, the message will resonate, and the church once more, will turn the world upside down. This doctrinal disagreement would be no different than the Civil War, which while painful, when complete, gave the nation a new birth of freedom, and empowered generations later. While violence is not what I ever advocate, yet, Rebellion against tyranny is Obedience to God.
Completely agree Donna, that is so sad, you would think joining the church would be liberating, but instead your past is identified so you can be permanently enslaved by it. Exactly what did Christ die on the Cross for? Was it just for fun, so people can pretend to come in the church and be healed? As I recall, it was so people could be completely healed and transformed, not given shackles and burdens for the rest of their lives. One of the saddest things I witnessed was the funerals of people who did not speak up, and basically spent decades "following orders", that did nothing for them. I will never forget the book Animal Farm, and when a bunch of tyrants took over the farm, the Horse, named Boxer went along with the new program. He worked the hardest, supported the leadership the most, and gave his all for the cause. When he died he animals were shocked, because he got no funeral, the butcher pulled up and he was sold for meat. But when a human puts their trust in humans alone and not in God, what do we expect?
I think that is so shameful about people constantly being reminded of their past, and forced to stay in the prisons that Christ died to free them from. You know something is wrong, when meetings feature THE SAME PREACHERS YEAR AFTER YEAR. Uh, if a church is growing, wouldn't it be expanding, and wouldn't you be hearing new voices. Oh, and lets not be deceived, new voices does not include younger men who have learned that manpleasing is the way to rise in the ranks. It's a terrible thing for the manpleasers who are men in the church who sacrificed truth so they can rise in the ranks. You will have to deal with God one day, and your teachers aren't going to be there with you.
It is heartbreakingly saddening to see the many souls who are spiritually weak, and they have classes where the "spiritually strong" sit and ask prayers for the "spiritually weak". I mean how proud can you be? First of all, how about admitting your own weaknesses, that is tremendously inspiring, and secondly, if you cared so much about the spiritually weak, how about having them over your home, how about encouraging them, inspiring them, how about loving them? I am guessing this will help the "spiritually weak" more than your pharisaical prayer requests which are thrown up heavenward, and when God looks down to see how serious you are, he sees you treating your "spiritually weak" brethren like they are in a leper colony. So much for Christ's love being shown there.
Donna, you did your best, and it is never too late to become what you should have been. Good Judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement. There are three links I think you will enjoy, the first one details that nothing is impossible, the second that God wants us to become better from our mistakes, and the third is that there is no better time than now to build our magnificent dreams. Make sure you have the sound on. Ha Ha, that must mean I am carnal: )
Nothing is impossible
http://www.friendsacrossamerica.com/gtpoems2.html
Don't punish every mistake
http://www.friendsacrossamerica.com/dontpunish.html
The Dafodil Principle
http://www.friendsacrossamerica.com/daffodil.html
Thank you, I love you, have a wonderful evening!
I have learned, from a very good source, of how matters are conducted in the church of Christ. One circumstance, that came to my attention, involved a brother who had been in for eight years. He brought the teacher in his congregation four items that had been bothering him for a while. He didn't want to have a grudge, and merely wanted to bring to the teachers attention in private. He didn't mention the matters to anyone else in the Church, because he was afraid of being withdrawn from for murmuring, is what he related to me.
He told the teacher the four items:
1) a nonmember had been told not to come around the church for fallacious reasons.
2) a fallen away brother had returned, and was asking how to overcome smoking at a fellowship. He was soundly rebuked in a class for having the temerity to speak at a fellowship
3) the brother was bothered by a situation at work, and brought to the teachers attention, asking if a matter should have been handled differently. The teacher didn't see anything different could have been done. The following November Meeting the teacher relates this private confidence publicly, without naming the brother, but identifies the situation as covetousness.
4) The teacher had related that the aforementioned person who was told they could not come around could come around again. They came to a class, and were soundly denounced for not talking to the teacher first. This reduced the person to tears and they vowed they would never come to the church of Christ again.
According to the brother, these came to his attention, and he simply could not ignore them. He wasn't perfect but he had to say something. So he brought it to the teacher. Shortly afterward the brother was told he couldn't share in class, and to be quiet. Two consecutive classes on the topic of pride were gone into where the brothers private confidences were brought our publicly.
Less than one month later the brother was withdrawn from.
This is how it works with withdrawal.
I remember the talk. Not uncommon from the evangelists who are long winded and exalt themselves thinking members want to hear them speak a four hour lesson. Both evangelists are not good speakers. You look around the room and see how many members have fallen asleep or are battling not too.
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