The men in Stanton, or on the outskirts of Stanton due to family connections, have typically been cajoled and worn down into submission to the powers that be. I’m convinced Stanton top brass intentionally bleed the leadership qualities out of the men in the congregations because they feel threatened by leadership of any sort. This is why the “No Elders” Clock has been ticking for well over 50 years. Yet bold leadership is exactly what’s called for when it comes time to start extracting your family from the grips of Stanton’s control. Who will have the courage to lead their families out of the wilderness?
The beating down of a man’s leadership instincts can come in many forms. If it’s not directly at the hands of the local or main teachers, it can come at the hands of a wife still loyal to the group, a mother or father who still wants to maintain control of their family, or a sibling who still drinks from the poisoned well of Stanton’s unbiblical teachings.
As you start to free your mind from their grip by daring to consider an opposing exegesis, opinion, or teaching, they will sense this and start moving chess pieces defensively into place to block your next move. Maybe you asked a little too probing of a question at a fellowship, or showed too much bravery in challenging a longstanding teaching. Or maybe you said something that sounded a little too much like something here in this blog.
If you still attend, their next move might be to publicly reprove or rebuke you for something—anything, really—to show their dominance over you. If it’s your wife or other family member who still attends, they will work through them to get to you. Stanton’s fear and intimidation tactics will almost always exploit your desire to keep family relationships intact, like a terrorist holding a gun to the head of a loved one.
Don’t let them get away with this. Be the leader God made you to be. They want you to focus on the relationship consequences of you bucking their little system of control. You need to constantly remind yourself of the long term consequences if you don’t.
The consequences of NOT taking the lead
The longer a family stays intertwined with Stanton, the deeper those entanglements get—and the harder they are to unravel. Young children grow up around the dysfunction and come to think it’s normal. They will bring that into their future marriages. Grandparents still in the church will try hard to woo their grandchildren into the grip of Stanton, first by bringing them around “the Christians” (subtly insinuating there are no other Christians in the world). They will try to keep them for sleepovers, sneak them into church fellowships and babysitting to get to know other kids, and listen to talks in the car.
Husbands who leave lose the spiritual leadership of their family (what little they had to begin with). His errant ways will be used in talks, Bible classes, and fellowships, so his children (if still attending) have to listen to their father being publicly disrespected without any way for him to respond or defend himself. One of the most powerful verses in Proverbs says that the first to speak in court always sounds convincing—until he’s cross examined. This is true for Stanton’s public character assassinations of ex-members as well, except there is no way to cross examine assertions made from the pulpit.
When the wife is in, and the husband is withdrawn from (often for trying to lead by speaking out about something unscriptural), that permanently affects relationships, weddings, birthdays, and family dinners in ways you can’t begin to imagine until you’ve seen it play out for generations at a time. Rules about not eating with a withdrawn from dad leave countless children to grow up essentially fatherless and without a positive male role model in their lives. This has devastating consequences for both girls and boys, leading to generational problems with dating and marriage relationships, and future parenting styles.
I say all this to paint a photo-realistic picture of the consequences of NOT leading your family out of the wilderness of Stanton. These are not blind or unfair assertions, but the fear and intimidation tactics I’ve seen used in real life by Stanton for decades. My family alone has experienced all of these things, and I know of plenty others who have as well.
Some tips for better leadership
I won’t (and can’t) tell you how exactly how you need to lead your family. It’s going to look very different in each of the situations that exist in and out of Stanton. Some of you are single, trying to do damage control for yourself and/or your children after years of dysfunction. Others have a spouse to think about, an in-law, or some other family relationship you need to keep intact. Here are some tips from personal experience:
- Take ownership of your leadership role. If you are the head of your household, you have a strong moral argument that they can have no response to: God literally put you in the role of leading your family. This goes for husbands in an intact family, and single moms. You are responsible and will answer to God for how you lead. Take that responsibility seriously, starting today, and demonstrate it in a Christlike manner. Stanton is big on ridiculing what they call “the religious world” for wanting to run to their pastor with hard questions. I have heard many times “you won’t have your pastor there with you on judgment day.” Yet Stanton members are the first to hide behind the skirts of their teachers. Don’t do it, and call it out gently and patiently when you see it.
- Leadership doesn’t always mean laying down laws. This may seem counterintuitive, but leading is far different than managing or commanding. Christlike leadership means stepping out in front with the moral authority to ask others to step in behind you. Jesus didn’t force people to follow him like a tyrant. Effective leadership takes time, because it requires trust from the ones you are leading.
- Study the scriptures diligently. Do the Clean Bible Challenge. Get in the Word for yourself. Tackle the passages that Stanton distorts, and do so with humility. Be willing to re-learn them in a new light, even if you can’t articulate it well enough to convince them (yet). This is more about your own knowledge, spiritual growth, and confidence. Get yourself on solid ground Biblically, and you’ll be more equipped to see the many gaps in Stanton’s Biblical knowledge.
- Become a real disciple of Jesus. If you’re not genuinely living out your faith, they will sense that and you will lack the credibility to even have spiritual conversations with them. Learn or re-learn what it means to personally follow Jesus Christ with all your heart, soul, and mind. It does not mean having more correct opinions than someone else. Truly practice living Christlike. You will fail, as all humans do. Get up and keep seeking Jesus.
- Don’t pick ineffective doctrinal fights. Approach any doctrinal conversations carefully and respectfully, allowing them the opportunity to digest your points in a non-threatening way. I approach controversial topics more from the standpoint of “Hey mom, I know you believe XYZ, can you help me understand why, given these verses?” If they haven’t been barred from talking to you about scripture already, this can at least open a door to some dialogue. When I get some resistance to even talking, the best reply is to remind them that truth doesn’t need to be afraid of a lie. No one should feel threatened by a sincere request to talk through the scriptures on something.
- Be kind but firm. Instead of getting into arguments, decide the boundaries you need to set for your family, and simply set them. No argument, no fuss. Many times, my wording has been something along the lines of “Mom, I want my kids to have a great relationship with you, but God put me in charge of parenting them, and my conscience doesn’t allow me to let you take them to your church functions.” Because I was kind and firm while asserted my Biblical authority over my family, she largely respected my leadership and complied. There were only a few times I would have to remind her. She would cry, sometimes apologize, then things would be fine again. These boundaries are what have allowed us to have a good relationship over the years.
- Pick your battles wisely. Just as there is a time and place to avoid a confrontation that won’t accomplish anything, there is a time and place to have the tough conversations as well. Think more than five minutes from now. What’s the long term consequence for my family of failing to take a stand? For me, this always centered around my God-given right to raise my kids as I see fit. I will not concede any ground on that, period. My dad’s funeral was another example I could not concede on. But there have been other issues over the years I was able to just let go because the battle was not going to accomplish anything.
- Don’t burn bridges. The relationship bridges you have are most likely going to be what your family members desperately will need to walk out on, so don’t blow them up. They may not know it yet, or they may have thoughts about leaving that they have so far kept to themselves. Don’t cave to unreasonable demands they might make to your family. Make it clear that you still want a relationship with them, but if they are going to be unloving about XYZ, you will have no part of it.
- Pray for wisdom. God will give wisdom to those who seek it. Read Proverbs every day. Pray for guidance in making hard decisions. Pray that God will soften the hearts of your family members, and that you’ll be given the right words at the right time to affect incremental changes in their thinking.
- Carefully plant seeds. When I first started this blog, I was accused of wanting to plant seeds of doubt in people’s minds. In the proper context, I don’t deny that—I definitely want people to doubt the lies they’ve been told about the Bible and about God. In fact, I want to tear those lies to the ground. Then we can begin to rebuild, brick by brick, on a foundation of truth.
I’m here to tell you that it’s possible to lead with Christlike love without being mean, or resorting to treating them harshly like they might be treating you. Pray for wisdom. Follow what God is leading you to do, prayerfully and humbly. Be the leader you know God made you to be. Be kind. Be loving. But be resolute, and by all means, lead.
You will take some bullets, get hurt, and make some mistakes. Get back on your feet like a leader, and it will make you stronger. My prayers are with anyone in these difficult situations, that you will succeed in leading your families out of Stanton’s spiritual wasteland with minimum damage to your family. Then you can start a new chapter in your family, and begin leading them to the Living Water that is Jesus Christ.
If you support the efforts on this blog to reach hearts and minds in Stanton, please keep this project in your prayers and be an active part of the conversations here. God bless!
Your description of the damage to families is on point. I really don’t understand how some from Merie’s church are reading this, are likely admitting to themselves that their families are at risk as described, and still stay in. It is my humble opinion that many there just don’t want to do what it takes to be an independent Christian. What I mean is, that people find it easier to be told what to do. What to study. Where to go. How to live. What your boundaries are. That’s not a leader. And while Christ asks us to follow Him,… Read more »
Thank you MLong. As to why people stay, it is not always a lack of courage. I would love for people who are physically in, but mentally out, to share their own reasons for staying. You bring up a good point that I don’t think I’ve covered enough, and that’s the social club aspect of Stanton. They highly criticize other churches for being primarily about social connections, rather than Biblical teaching. But I know for a fact that is one of the strongest draws keeping some people in Stanton. Some have told me they see the abuse and the unbiblical… Read more »
I see your point and can understand at a certain level why people would stay for those reasons. But I wonder if that’s not the ultimate “carnal” choice. I guess I was at the point when I first joined that I needed God. Later when I left, I had to remind myself of that. I came to Christ to go to heaven. Not for any other reason. And for that same reason, I left. I didn’t feel I was growing and I certainly wasn’t becoming Christ-like. I was instead a Pharisee surrounded by other Pharisees. That’s not why I got… Read more »
Kevin, all I can say is WOW! Well done! Martha, I too joined the group because I was looking for God. I wanted a relationship with Him and didn’t know how to do that. I left the group because I realized that what the group taught and what God teaches were often-not always-vastly different. I had to make a choice; stay out of fear, obligation, because of relationships, or leave so I could continue to follow Christ. I left. You know, one thing I heard A LOT while in the group is that “fallen away ones” are always longing to… Read more »
I am not surprised. I feel like ones who have come back for the most part did it because they have no self-control. Some of the ones I knew, didn’t seem to be able to function at a basic moral level without Merie’s church. I’d be shocked at some of the confessions. I don’t mean to be ugly about it, it’s just that I knew good people “without God” who would just never do things like cheat on their spouses. It’s like they can’t control themselves unless they have that fear, that thought that they’ll be withdrawn or otherwise reproved.… Read more »
Unfortunately, this blog is developing the same problem Stanton has. And that is developing a very narrow view. If Stanton has problems, the majority protestant church has much bigger problems,and it makes little sense to continuously prate about the flaws of a 1,500 member (maximum) sect in a nation of 330 million, and a world of 7 billion. While Stanton’s draconian flaws are certainly to be objected to, not one person on this blog actually has been excommunicated. Because most, saw it wise to protest against Stanton’s injustice, which they were right to do, and to turn tail and run,… Read more »
Welcome back, Ryan. For the record, this blog having a “narrow view” of dealing specifically with Stanton history, dysfunction, and Biblical teaching for ex-members is not a bug, but a feature. That is the entire purpose of this blog. Lol
Why thank you. Having a narrow view of truth is fine, but honing in on the draconian approach of Stanton to the neglect of the lukewarm approach of the Protestant church as a whole seems as if it can be improved upon.
And, we have many on here as well, who exalt their own opinion above the lessons of history and the Bible. They plead for freedom and liberty, not understanding their choices are disastrous and destructive of long term freedom and liberty. It is a myth to think there are sound Biblical churches that are aligned with the Bible that are common outside of Stanton. For all of Stanton’s errors, the entire American church has massive problems. The state of the dysfunctional schools, politics, entertainment culture, court system, media, and marriage is all the FAULT OF THE PULPIT. The churches in… Read more »
You said “I have not seen a single person on here who says they are a Christian, who attends a church that is not antinomian. Not one person on here attends a church that understands the devastating impact of the corrupt culture….” Where do you get off saying this stuff? I’m a Christian and I don’t attend a church that is antinomian. And my church gets the devastating impact of our corrupt culture, big time. You claim to know where each and every person reading this blog attends church—or doesn’t? And BTW, my views are my own private property, as… Read more »
You are one of the rare few then, because the vast majority of Christian churches lack courage to call out the evil culture. Men are trained to be patsies, and to remain silent while evil runs roughshod over the hapless women and children of the nation. There is no real point in following any leader professing to follow God, but in action who denies him. There is absolute truth. Sophistry has infested the church to make us believe that ‘Man is the measure of all things’. Well, he isn’t. The Bible is. And it’s very lonely and dangerous to stand… Read more »
Where are you attending these days Ryan?
When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
The word of the LORD which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.
Humble men are very fortunate!” he told them, “for the Kingdom of Heaven is given to them. 4 Those who mourn are fortunate! for they shall be comforted. 5 The meek and lowly are fortunate! for the whole wide world belongs to them.
6 “Happy are those who long to be just and good, for they shall be completely satisfied. 7 Happy are the kind and merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
8 Happy are those whose hearts are pure, for they shall see God. 9 Happy are those who strive for peace—they shall be called the sons of God. 10 Happy are those who are persecuted because they are good, for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
11 “When you are reviled and persecuted and lied about because you are my followers—wonderful! 12 Be happy about it! Be very glad! for a tremendous reward awaits you up in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted too.
“You are the world’s seasoning, to make it tolerable. If you lose your flavor, what will happen to the world? And you yourselves will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless.
You are the world’s light—a city on a hill, glowing in the night for all to see. Don’t hide your light! Let it shine for all; let your good deeds glow for all to see, so that they will praise your heavenly Father.
Don’t misunderstand why I have come—it isn’t to cancel the laws of Moses and the warnings of the prophets. No, I came to fulfill them and to make them all come true.
With all the earnestness I have I say: Every law in the Book will continue until its purpose is achieved.
And so if anyone breaks the least commandment and teaches others to, he shall be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But those who teach God’s laws and obey them shall be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
But I warn you—unless your goodness is greater than that of the Pharisees and other Jewish leaders, you can’t get into the Kingdom of Heaven at all!
“Under the laws of Moses the rule was, ‘If you murder, you must die.’ But I have added to that rule and tell you that if you are only angry, even in your own home, you are in danger of judgment! If you call your friend an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse him, you are in danger of the fires of hell.
“So if you are standing before the altar in the Temple, offering a sacrifice to God, and suddenly remember that a friend has something against you, leave your sacrifice there beside the altar and go and apologize and be reconciled to him, and then come and offer your sacrifice to God. Come to terms quickly with your enemy before it is too late and he drags you into court and you are thrown into a debtor’s cell, for you will stay there until you have paid the last penny.
Pretty funny. This is Stanton’s thinking too. Arizona: Lies pathologically, doesn’t admit it, has race hatred, refuses to admit it, has envy and jealousy, won’t admit it, but, will quote the Bible constantly; like his Father the devil. Stanton: Refuses to obey God when he commands women to stay silent in the church, but will constantly quote the Bible and say they love God. This is a monumental temper tantrum by Arizona. It’s based on race. He can’t accept he’s wrong as a Black man. He thinks Blacks have been enslaved for centuries by Whites, as he’s been trained by… Read more »
This is the curse of multiculturalism, Arizona is illustrating it beautifully. Non-White races frequently have a problem with reasoning, and it’s impossible to have a conversation with them often. If they are violent and you try, you can easily be killed, as tens of thousands of White Americans have found out. Also, God created all the races and put them into separate countries. Why? To avoid what is happening here. Blacks and Whites have never done well in human history when they are mixed. Arizona can’t accept the truth, and is now desperately writing out the whole Bible to try… Read more »
Proverbs 26:16 – The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
This perfectly describes Arizona.
He sees nothing wrong with his habitual lying and evil surmising.
And acts as if everyone is in need of his wisdom, which is based on his lazy study and research.
Stanton leaders have the same problem. They fight for their interpretation that women can speak in Bible classes when 1,900 years of Christian history demonstrates that it’s a sin.
Interesting .
“Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.”
– Friedrich Schiller
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