Back in 2013 (wow, time flies!), I wrote an article challenging readers to what I called the Clean Bible Challenge. Some have asked me how I got my head out of the legalistic teachings I was raised in, and one big piece of it was this “challenge.”
Of course, I didn’t name it that until I wrote the article. At the time, I was just earnestly trying to figure out what I truly believed and why—and I did that by putting away the notes in the margins of my Bible, and reading a fresh copy, as if for the first time. More than once. Wow. I had missed so much by cluttering the words of Scripture with chain references, cross references, and book references. What I really needed was a completely clean frame of reference.
But it occurs to me that I left something out of my story that may help others. Maybe it won’t—maybe you’ve already grown past this point. Or, if the thought of doing this scares you to death, maybe this is precisely the time to consider it. Consider what, you say?
As I reflect back on my family’s journey out of legalism, one of the greatest periods of spiritual growth was during what I’m going to call our Clean Church Challenge. Similar to my Clean Bible Challenge, this simply involved stripping away the church practices of men, and replacing them, one by one, with only the church practices we found in scripture after re-examining the Scriptures ourselves. We simply wanted to be the Bereans.
By “we,” I mean a group of family and friends that eventually migrated to Idaho with us. My family moved here in 2005 after some close friends moved. They were fellow homeschoolers whose kids were about the same age as ours. Our families had already spent a lot of time together doing homeschooling kinds of things, and we had a lot in common. That was the nucleus of our little gathering, at first.
Then another family followed. Then another. Then another. My parents followed (only my dad met with our little group, of course), and brought my grandmother with them (she met with us as well until she couldn’t any longer).
We didn’t try to recruit other “members” at this point, although we didn’t try not to. We just (accurately) realized that we first needed to get our own thinking straightened out—to get the beam out of our own eyes, before picking the splinter out of someone else’s, so to speak. We intentionally didn’t name ourselves, or collect funds unless for a specific purpose. The first century church didn’t “call” themselves anything—they were first “called” Christians by people in Antioch. We were as they were—simply a group of believers meeting together to learn and re-learn what we could about this person named Jesus, and encourage one another in daily life. Kinda like the first century church, right?
I can tell you that “church” became something entirely different for us than what it had been growing up. Instead of “doing” church, we found that we were truly “being” the church—living out our faith, and encouraging one another to walk with Jesus through life. About half the families were raised in the Church of Christ (though not the Stanton sect), and the other half had been baptized from the neighborhood around our Anaheim congregation. We joked that we all needed to leave our baggage at the door when we sat down—not in pews or folding chairs, but on our living room couches. Because rest assured, we all had doctrinal baggage to work through. We all needed to add to our knowledge. That’s called being human. Some of us had to unlearn some things first. That’s called being honest.
What did “church” look like for us? It probably looked different than it will for you, because your background and starting point is different than ours was. Most of us loved to sing four part harmony, so we did a lot of that. We learned new songs, sang around campfires, and sang in retirement homes to uplift the spirits of the elderly.
My grandmother enjoyed singing the old hymns with us, as did my mom. I know, that’s probably a shocker—but she loved to sing with us, as long as we assured her it wasn’t a “church service” (it wasn’t—but we also didn’t define that term like they did). Of course, that ended when her Stanton ̶t̶e̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ handlers found out about it. We loved to cook, bake, and eat, so we did a lot of potlucks. There’s a reason the first century church did a lot of “breaking bread” together. There’s a reason they called their potlucks “love feasts.” Eating together is an essential part of loving people and doing life together.
We did topical Bible studies, book studies, men’s studies, ladies’ studies, and more. We asked a lot of questions, agreed on a lot, but also disagreed on some things. Because, you know, a group of flawed humans who are growing in spiritual maturity will never be at the same place in their thinking at exactly the same time.
Christian brotherhood and unity were big topics of study and conversation. We wanted to wrap our minds around that concept in a more Biblical way. The subject of fellowship (misused in modern church culture to mean “who’s in and who’s out” of your circle of associations) was another frequent topic. What did “fellowship” mean Biblically? Were we “in fellowship” with only the other Churches of Christ in the Treasure Valley? Were we “in fellowship” with the denominations? These were enlightening and informative conversations and studies.
If any of you have the opportunity due to proximity to gather together with ex-Stanton sect friends who are similarly interested in re-examining the scriptures and church practices from scratch, I might recommend doing your own version of this Clean Church Challenge. I suppose proximity is not really required if you’re willing to do Zoom gatherings. It’s not the same as living out our faith in real life with other believers, but it might have some value. I would just caution you NOT to come into this experiment with the goal of recreating a modified version of what you just came out of. Truly go into it with the humble goal of re-learning first principles, not of Merie’s teachings, but of Jesus’s teachings. If you don’t follow this advice, you will just end up starting another sect. Alas, the last thing Christendom needs is another sect. I hope you agree.
You may wonder why I’ve refrained from using this blog as a platform for pushing the conclusions I reached during these influential years of growth for me. That’s a good question—I’m glad you asked. 🙂
While I have shared bits and pieces of my thinking where it relates to the primary topic of this blog, I have also recognized that sometimes it’s more effective to do than to say. To show, than to tell. My experience illustrates this well, actually. I had spent several years studying and theorizing about the newly discovered freedom I had in Christ. But until I lived it out in daily life with a church family, it was only theory. The Clean Bible Challenge gave me an intellectual foundation on which to build. The Clean Church Challenge made it real, turning theory into practice for my family and our small group of believers. Maybe it will do the same for you. Remember that your story doesn’t need to be exactly like mine. Just stay in Jesus and you’ll figure it out.
The amount of spiritual pride the leaders have is astounding. One must have room to move and grow in Christ. The sect has no room for that. They will make blanket statements about other churches and “worldly” people as if they have explored every inch of our shared planet. When will they make it about the man from Galilee who died for all our sins? WHEN?
Most churches, let alone the more legalistic sects like Stanton, are consumed more with what I’ve come to call “churchianity” rather than “Christianity.” For most of Christendom, it hasn’t been about the man from Galilee for a very long time. Like 2,000 years, perhaps! Lol
But what the “organized church” does is not necessarily a reflection of “the church” itself, which is the spiritual body of believers who do actually take following Jesus seriously.
Here is a question for anyone seriously considering taking this “Clean Church Challenge.” Or anyone else, for that matter.
If we were to replicate the practices of the first century church perfectly, would we then be the One True Church?
And by practices, I mean meeting on the right day(s) at the right time(s) with the right people up front, doing the right things (Lord’s supper, collection, etc.) in the right order, etc.
I’m a little surprised that no one took the bait to respond to the above question, but I’m also kind of glad about that. Our movement has struggled with this idea some have called “pattern theology.” In other words, our forebears have thought that if we pattern ourselves after the first century church, we will have reached the summit of perfection in “restoring” the Biblical church. But the fallacy should be obvious by the way I’ve framed the question: If we were to replicate the practices of the first century church perfectly, would we then be the Lord’s church? We… Read more »
Quite true, Kevin. The Pharisees were so concerned with the outward works, down to the littlest detail of washing your hands, and why wouldn’t they be, they followed the Talmud. Yet, not only were the Pharisees, governed by the ruling council of the Sanhedrin, incapable and unwilling to help the common sinner, but they viciously attacked Christ for helping sinners, and, worse, the Pharisees were some of the biggest sinners imaginable, since their Talmud legalizes murder, lying, cheating, Child molestation, stealing, robbery, rape, adultery, transgenderism and homosexuality. As far as books of hate go, the Talmud has no equal in… Read more »
So true , the Stanton church , have a pattern on everything that they do . 2song after the opening, then this and that if any men just sing one song instead 2 …. Oh he will be publicly reproved. But not so much about love or mercy.
Is two retired evangelists on the church’s payroll biblical? I wonder what the “off” church would say? Hypocrisy at its height.
Look at the track record of these so called evangelist. The church’s haven’t really grown, if anything shrank. Why are we paying them? To sit stationary in San Diego and Greenville and hand out opions to everyone that calls? These church’s are not strong. Again, if These evangelists where in the real world, they would have been removed from running the company years back. Stanton brethren! Look at their results. They need to be fired.
Playing musical chairs and saying your growing isn’t growth. That’s called deception. Those of you familiar with the leaderships KNOW know what I mean.
Kingdom of God is within you you’re spot on concerning the paid for life “evangelists”. What a joke it was when that “judgement” was brought up in the first place. Who was going to openly oppose it lol.
The Spring Valley guy can fish tournament’s for a living lol.
What a hypocrite! Me and many other boys/girls raised in the group where not able to play organized sports. Yet he is out with his son entering tournaments.
I saw this a few years ago and left me wondering as well.
Wow what stalkers and creeps you all are
Stalkers and Creeps? How?
Sorry I fat-fingered some of my posts. Excuse the spelling errors. I was so triggered by Joe’s may week audio. This stuff is unreal.
1) If you use an account to post, you’ll be able to edit your post. I fixed your “KNOW” typo for you. 🙂
2) Yes, the “evangelists” are simply the modern equivalent of the Sanhedrin Pharisees who sat in judgment of the 1st century Jewish community, and whom Jesus excoriated on many occasions for doing so. Question about the application of the law? Ask the Sanhedrin. They are a 1:1 analog.
3) Merie excoriated the “located preacher” system. And yet, as you point out, that is exactly what Stanton has.
Thanks for the correction,Kevin. I will learn technology one day.
Is there a way to be to hear it?
Even after I came back to the church, I was studying things out for myself and was seeing things that weren’t correct. When I came back I had the mindset of when I had left and what I was taught back then. As I grew I noticed that things that were being taught weren’t biblical. The church’s emphasis in certain areas were a carnal approach to the situations and not one of law and love combining. Since I have been away from there I have been taking the the scriptures starting many of them at the beginning of the book… Read more »
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It is an act of pride to boast that what I know is important, (including my understanding of the Bible), and what I do not know is unimportant. It is impossible for a man to learn that which he thinks he already knows. It is the mark of a lazy man – who does not wish to do more, for knowledge is only obtained by labor – but is content with what he knows, and so is forced to denigrate all he does not know, while magnifying that which he does. Reasoning goes out the window along with convincing and… Read more »
Way to lead by example Kevin!
We All Make Mistakes: Mistake number one, giving ear to a member to of Merie’s cult. You, myself as we all do make mistakes in life, Learn and strive not to repeat them.
Looks like he repeated the same mistake three times. I don’t think he is to be trusted.
When was this/these committed?
I hope you aren’t digging up oppo research from decades ago.
Furthermore, if this is in fact true and recent, how does this negate or address all the valid points Kevin has raised on this blog about the group?
These were committed a couple of weeks ago. No, not digging up his old records (unlike most people on here).
“For truth”: I’m just curious as to the reasoning behind why people “chasing truth” are chasing Kevin’s version of truth. Why not just follow the truth alone, the Word? Genuine question. It’s all so hypocritical and you’re friend Craig up there isn’t such a great representation of this group. I’m new to all of this and I think it’s a bunch of baloney so far.
I had a period of time when I started drinking more than I should have. That was in 2021. I have not had a drink since October 2021. As I’ve said in more than one place, I fully intend to write about the circumstances and experience—which was humiliating and rather surreal. I was hoping that readers would allow me to choose the time and place of that, as the last year has been tough on the family. As I’ve said, if anyone is genuinely concerned, feel free to email me.
I can’t speak for others motivations, but what I will tell you is that I come on here because, largely, what Kevin has seen and exposed, I have seen. I agree with him that the group is damaging, controlling, and power hungry. I come on here not to follow Kevin, but to contribute to the conversation, of which I think is meaningful. If what you are presenting is in fact legit, I’m sure Kevin would be ashamed of that. We all have issues and private battles. I don’t know him and don’t pretend to. But what I will say, in… Read more »
He was in jail six months, I’d HOPE he’d learn some kind of lesson. Why do you think he couldn’t “edify” you all for so long, he was out feeding his flesh instead of caring for his “fellow brethren”. What a fraud.
True or not true he is far from a fraud. Once again we all sin. We all make mistakes. Why because we are in this flesh. You, I and the cult “leaders” all do sin. We all make mistakes.
Lies. Here’s the truth, Mistakes. I haven’t had a drink since October 1, 2021. I have not talked much about this, not so much due to my own pride, but to protect my family. It wasn’t their fault…it was me who lost control for a time. But I thankfully hurt no one, paid my debt to society, and made amends to my family. It won’t ever happen again. For the record, I did 47 days in 2021, worked through the legal system and dealt with the problem at its root, as well as its effects, then gladly finished off my… Read more »
Mistake number one is not to leave one cult and fall into Kevin’s cult of lies….
We All Make Mistakes, What lies. Leaving Merie’s cult was the best decision I’ve ever made.
Craig, why don’t you start your own blog? You submit so easily in the comments to Kevin. Please remove yourself from this section of comments, “For Truth” and I are trying to have a logical conversation.
Haha, really? Can you answer my question? You want to call me out. Use my name in your comments? Here I am. 360-721-2352. You and for truth carry on with your just begun “logical” conversation.
Craig, you never asked a question. You have got to be one of the most idiotic people I have ever spoken to. I don’t need your phone number, I will actually man up and handle it at your front door. You have no facts, no scriptures, nothing but your sorry sob story that no one even cares about. I’m the one bringing the facts to the table. So you can shut up and listen.
You’re the idiot that can’t read clearly. I asked what lies? You as stupid as the leaders of the cult. At least I think you identified yourself as a man. By saying manning up at my front door. Really? I’d welcome it. I’d shut you up in a moment. Trust me punk. Kevin is asking you the same question.
Do Jada and Bobby know you talk like this?
Trolls out in force today.
It’s interesting, I just read this morning in Josephus’ “Jewish Wars” a little bit of how the Jewish nation ended up in war with Rome, which decimated them in 70 A.D.
It was in part Jewish insurrection against Rome, yes. But I didn’t realize how much of a role Roman “trolling” (antagonistic behavior meant to provoke a response) played in the whole affair.
Don’t let the trolls get to you, folks. In all things, love.
To pukes like you they’ll understand. They can’t stand the cult either. None of my kids do common to the high majority of the children raised in the cult have a high disdain for them. You know two of my children. Do you know my address? Bring it.
If I showed up at your door I’d invite you to church. I can tell you haven’t found Jesus.
It is unbelievable that you think you know Jesus with the attitude you’ve displayed here in your flurry of comments. Truly unbelievable.
It’s unbelievable that you think you know Jesus when all you do is talk about people you haven’t seen in years and obsess over the new gossip you dig for. You’re a full time busy body covering it up by saying you’re helping people, but really you’re just feeding your lust for gossip and hatred toward a place you left. Kevin, this whole website is a deflection from your personal anger and grudges, as well as your double-standard life. Who else knows what goes on behind the curtain. DUI’s? You want to make fun of my name but “young man”,… Read more »
Okay come on. Do you know where I live or do you need my address. Invite me to a church though. Not a cult function.
So do you have somewhere I can attend, Craig? Since you’re so willing to help?
Yes I do. Are you located in the Vancouver, Washington or Portland Oregon. We can go together if you are.
Are you being serious?
Yes, I’m serious. They do teach against the poor choice of words coming from my thoughts as I’ve typed while addressing you negatively. So that is for me to correct as any transgression of God’s word that I do commit. You are welcome to attend.
Can you point out a lie I’ve made on this blog. I think I’ve been painfully honest.
You, especially for your age, are the LAST person someone should ever look to for advice. You have done worse than the members themselves. YOU have gossiped, YOU have broken families, YOU have spread your hatred and deceived so many. You talk about calling out other people for their pasts… you don’t give them time for THEIR families to heal. For them to process THEIR circumstances and experiences. You are a liar Kevin and you know where liars go.
I’m still waiting for an example of a lie I’ve told. I try to only speak truth in love on this blog, and I have made it a huge point NOT to slander, repeat gossip, or condone others doing so. I have even advocated for families to stay together—sometimes in spite of the sect’s challenges to families. I do not attack people or fail to give them “time to heal” or “process” their past. I have no idea what you’re talking about, but if you can tell where I’ve been hurtful, I’d like to know so I can apologize for… Read more »
What you say and what you do clearly are two different things. There is no point is arguing with a fool. And as far as an apology? Only God can forgive you for what you’ve done. Thanks for posting the talks, I think Gary is right about you.
Keep doing Satans work, I’ll leave you to it. Oh and make sure you wash Craig Cusicks mouth out with soap, it’s unbecoming from a so-called previous preacher.
“Mistakes” – good name, actually. Because yes, we’re all human and do make mistakes, as long as we live in this flesh. I for one, at least, don’t hide behind anonymity with my mistakes, or make hit and run personal attacks on people who disagree with my Biblical views. I stand by what I’ve written on this blog…it is truth written in love, to the best of my human ability…unless you can point out to me specifically a point in which I’ve erred. If you are a follower of Jesus, you do have an obligation to do that for a… Read more »
Where’s your forgiveness then? You can’t seem to forgive much less forget the wrong doing’s of others. You live your life as a victim to it. It doesn’t matter how pretentious you are, everyone who has any discernment or experience can read straight through what you profess. You have wrested the scriptures to fit YOUR definition of love, not Gods. If you had any love you would not have this blog. You have such little faith. Vengeance is Gods… not yours. All you people should move on. If it really is “Merie’s church” and not the “true church” you all… Read more »
Your premise seems to be that I’m unforgiving because I want to help people who have been swayed by unbiblical and oppressive teachings to be free to re-examine the scriptures in a different light. How is that unforgiving? Can you point to anything I’ve written that even hints of unforgiveness? I’ve been clear from that beginning that I don’t hold any grudges. My dad did. He struggled with a grudge against Merie for all of my life, and in many ways, he let it destroy him. I always spoke hard truths to him about his grudge, and in his better… Read more »
Haha, a non member preaching in a cult is what I was. A cult full of unqualified men to stand and speak Merie’s ways so they had to use a non member to speak to help out Snake Martin. Too funny. Lol
The way you talk, it would make alot of sense now that you say you’re a non-member. You lack a lot of understanding, must be because you still don’t have the Holy Spirit?
Judgmental AF 🙂 Everyone is so holier than thou. Get off your high horse and kill that ego. What exactly is the Holy Spirit? How do we know it exists? What if one of my parents was in the cult and the other a Buddhist? Why can’t we all just believe whatever we want to believe without forcing it on others, or looking down upon them for having different beliefs. People use religion as a crutch instead of actually figuring out their own demons and having peace now, not after I follow all these weird rules… to get some arbitrary… Read more »
You’re the stupid one who didn’t understand the basics of baptism. Don’t cover it up by blaming others. Anyone with a basic understanding of the Bible in any Christian religion could tell you that.
When a believer thinks someone doesn’t understand something fully, we should call them stupid and troll them online. I think that’s in 2 Opinions 3 somewhere.
Yes as many others within the cult came to the understanding that there baptism was null and void. Some even multiple time you idiot.
“Snake Martin” raised better kids than you. So I wouldn’t be laughing at that. At least they are decent beings, all successful. You’re kids… well, their reputation proceeds them.
I thought you just called readers on this blog a stalker. Now you’re stalking my kids? Wow.
I don’t know your kids. Was speaking to Craig.
Still…I rest my case. I don’t care whose kids you’re talking about, it’s wrong.
Oh please, stop acting like you have a moral compass and care about anyones’ kids. You’re so fake, Harper.
You write behind a fake name and I write in my own name. And I’m the one who’s fake?
Haha that’s hilarious stupid. Credit for raising the children in that family would go to the Snakes wife. He was too busy building his business first, secondly at best doing the works of the cult. You discredit my wife greatly as she as the snakes wife did most of the raising of my children as I was sadly first doing the works of the cult. Define success please. Lol
Truth is very divisive, and that’s what Kevin’s blog has done. Few humans on earth are a fan of all truth, especially the truth that makes them uncomfortable, and that challenges established beliefs they have had for decades, some for 50-70 years. Kevin has humbly told the truth, and has even admitted to faults, and been very up front about it. For that he is to be highly commended. The Bible is very clear about denouncing evil, condemning it, but it’s also very clear about forgiving it, being merciful towards the penitent, and that God offers salvation to those who… Read more »
Oh stop. You all are a bunch of stalkers, haters, loners who pity yourselves on the internet. This blog really is a waste of time, good thing I’m leaving. Go take your wives on a date, pay attention to your kids, oh and most importantly LEARN TO MOVE ON with Jesus, alone. Not in a grudgey group of people who think they are smarter than everyone else on the planet. You guys sound exactly like the people you hate on, but worse. And Craig, you shouldn’t be boasting about passing down your hatred to your children. How sad that as… Read more »
“Mistakes” – Good thing I’m leaving
Also “Mistakes” – And another thing…
Such a waste of time you keep commenting. Lol. My children think for themselves. Unlike many brainwashed members of Merie’s cult. Obviously you know very little about me. Moving on from the oppressive group whom professes Christianity, yet are followers only of the withdrawn from member of a CofC Merie Weiss many years deceased was the BEST moving on I and anyone with a brain that functions properly can do.
Craig shut up, you let Kevin do all the thinking for you. You didn’t belong jn the church because you clearly couldn’t do any thinking for yourself. Then you left and continued in the same patterns with different people. You might think you have a brain, but you surely have lost your conscience. And THAT comes from God, not Merie.
Mistakes, Mistskes, Mistakes just as the cult leaders. Thinking you know who has lost there conscience. Playing God huh? Actually my conscience functions properly. It does bother me to call you the names you have so soon earned to be called. So I will heed my conscience and fight the urge to call you the POS that you are. Ooops. Finally you said something correct. That our conscience comes from God not Merie. Spot on.
Craig, cursing is for the uneducated and the heathens. And what if I am “leadership”?
Cursing is a sin, rather it’s said, typed or a thought. I’d care a less if you are leadership. I acknowledge my sin. I view all of Merie’s cult members the same.
Yea none of this convo is uplifting but then again none of anything the cult says is ever uplifting lol
Who knows, what if I’m an old friend.
That’s great if you are. If not that’s fine. Let’s communicate in another way rather than on the blog. You have my number. Give me a text.
Time tells all tales, you are a flash in the pan, whose claim to fame is you found out skeletons in Kevin’s closet, so now you are preening and taking victory laps, drunk in the elation that you have something on the sites owner. And, you disavow this website, which you are obviously too lazy to read, as it contains quite a few legitimate criticisms of Stanton, none of which you address. You imitate Stanton, with the Ad Hominem attacks. Can’t argue on substance, so play dirty and find your opponents weak spot. And let’s be clear, most of Stanton… Read more »
Bravo, Scribes! Well said.
Yes, I saw this. Very interesting. I am not interested in doxxing Gary or anyone else. He has every right to go see Shen Yun. I would like to invite Gary to clarify whether it’s OK for everyone to enjoy the arts like this, or must someone get special permission, or ??? BTW, I see that Shen Yun comes to Boise in February of next year. I’d be happy to meet with Gary and Paula over coffee if they want to come see it here. And no, this is not sarcasm, a joke, or a “gotcha.” My offer has always… Read more »
Wow @ We all make mistakes! The cult you are in is the exact thing you accuse Kevin of. He has only stated facts. I pray you meet up with Craig and go to church with him to see something new. Not all churches speak truth and God’s Word only. News flash…the cult doesn’t either. I pray you step outside the cult and see truth and who God really is. Read your Bible and pray before you do for God to show you something new. He will and you will see the lies engraved in you will be revealed. The… Read more »
Exactly, LRC. Thank you for your voice.
Dang, who hurt you? The cult probably… I’m sorry that happened, but try to find some inner peace before spewing your hurt onto others. It’s time for healing for all. Namaste.
It’s not Kevin’s cult. It is just facts that are stated. What did he lie about? I know for me personally I follow God and His Word. The moment you follow any man or women you will be failed. We are not perfect people. Only Jesus was. Jesus said, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”-John 8:7 KJV
Wow what a stalker and creep you are
Stalker? One has to wonder if that is the latest slander being passed off as edification. Skip tracer is a more appropriate term. The first rule I was taught when training for officer of the deck was this: To preserve human life. I still follow that rule today even for the vile and evil people. Let’s be prudent and look to the future shall we? The pedophile drugged and raped my seven year old son in 2002, just one of his many victims. His older brother,now 35, will be getting out of prison in a few months and will be… Read more »
So sorry that your son and all who this pedophile victimized had to go through what they were subjected too from this evil person. Horrifying to say the least and hopefully justice will be served on not only the pedophile but all who knew of the circumstances surrounding that individual. The leadership of Merie’s cult are despicable people who spare criminals from due justice. Truly they all are sick in the head.
Gnats and camels. It is easier to deal with small issues like washing of the hands before eating and how many times the unleavened bread is to be broken than it is to deal with the large issues of child abuse, spousal and child abandonedment, and pedophilia. Weak leaders will major in the minor issues and ignore the more important issues. I have spoken out about the abusers and abused and had my house burnt partially down in 2018, had my pickup truck burnt in my driveway in 2021, and have found dead bodies at work twice, and the pederast… Read more »
I have to ask for prayers for the prepubescent boys in Clemson South Carolina that the pederast not be able to seduce any of them as he has done to the boys in the Phoenix area Church of Christ. I will also say to those who slander me and speak railing accusations against me let the Lord rebuke thee. We need to unite in the fight against this pedophile.
How do you fight an enemy you won’t name?
Also, there are two sides to every story, after you’ve accused the person of “pederasty”, we need his side and relevant witnesses before anyone convicts him and seeks to punish him.
Every time I write his name someone dies, so I refrain from mentioning his name. Feel free to start talking with any of his many victims, I am only the first to speak out but will not be the last. As one grows older the perspectives on the stories in the Bible change take the story of Noah’s ark for example I use to see it as the destruction of an evil world but now see it as a father who got so angry that he destroyed his children. Temperance is a beautiful moral law and putting limits on one’s… Read more »
Why do sexual sins require a furious rebuke? Because with sexual sins comes physical death from Dinah being defiled and her brothers deceiving the men and then slaughtering them to David and his adultery and subsequent murder it is clearly seen that when you defile the temple of the holy ghost that God destroys so to prevent death a spiritual leader needs to furiously rebuke the offender. What has happened in the SCOC is silence about sin and death roams freely in the churches. When God resurrects one of us backsliders to speak out against pedophilia is it not because… Read more »
You are wrongly casting aspersions on hundreds of innocent people with your approach. You are suggesting the whole church is covering for pedophilia, yet, you won’t identify the criminal, or give the proof of your accusations. You say mentioning his name causes people to die, but, that’s dubious. And even if true, accusing without naming the person now stirs up hatred of innocent people with no knowledge of the crimes even if they did happen. Because now readers of the site believe Stanton is shielding pedophiles, which isn’t true. Who are the victims, and why aren’t they naming the molester?… Read more »
Even if anonymous chose to identify who the evildoers are. Kevin would not allow it on this blog I’m quite certain. Merie’s cult certainly shields evildoers from the law. They handle matters internally.
Wisdom and foolishness are abstract concepts that are relative to each situation. Let me give an example. In Phoenix we withdrew from a man for drinking two beers for being a drunkard and the council was to use the laws of the land as a guide for having a blood alcohol content above the legal limit so he was judged to be a drunkard and disfellowshipped. This is the wisdom from Spring Valley leaders. Another man beats his child until he runs away and the council was to keep it hushed up and say and do nothing, the laws of… Read more »
@Anonymous – I am very interested in exposing any form of pedophilia, particularly anything that has been institutionalized. I think it is wise of you to speak with caution when it comes to naming names, unless there is a victim who is ready to go on the record. I know that is a difficult thing for victims, because they often feel victimized yet again. But unfortunately, that is what wisdom requires. I think what #MeToo showed us is that it’s fair to ask for evidence from the victim, and a response from the accused. The verse comes to mind: Proverbs… Read more »
Of course there will be crickets. Ad hominem is clearly the only play here it appears. My post was never responded to as well by “We all make mistakes.”
Violence is never the answer, especially over the internet.
Also, please leave folks kids out of arguments.
So many fall into the trap of Satan and that is they become evil in an effort to defeat evil and in the end become what they hate, and evil is spread and righteousness disappears. Many talk about the blessing of virtues like diligence but few talk about the curses of diligence like high blood pressure and loss of family time. To mitigate the curses one must add temperance to one’s life and to limit how much they work on a daily basis; likewise the ever increasing escalations of the arrogant mind also required the daily practice of temperance. Why… Read more »
When dealing with addicts of any kind the first step is to get them to overcome their denial. You can not solve a problem untill you first admit you have a problem. It take a wound to stop the bully and make them consider their ways as seen in the conversion of Paul the Apostle when Christ said it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks, the wounding of his conscience. Reproof wounds when you say to yourself “I do that and it’s wrong of me.” Why do addicts use? Why do gluttons overeat? Because when they feel… Read more »
Orrr shit happens sometimes ♀️
Gnats and camels is a double standard that evil leaders impose on others. Peter made boasts of his loyalty yet when tested his fear of suffering caused him to fold like a paper lion. The fear of criticism stops many from speaking out against sin. To be a leader one must be fearless, you will not lead very long if you are fearful. I do not fear criticism nor suffering and encourage it to come my way that I may grow stronger thereby and suffering and criticism have come and made me stronger. Proverbs 11:1 says that a false balance… Read more »
I find it strange that Stanton thinks they can brainwash and indoctrinate you, in some cases for the most impressionable part of your life.
Then, if you find your way out, or push back against their authoritarian behavior.
They play victim and say you’re “stalking and weird”
Gaslighting is what it is.
“We need to know everything about your life and approve or disapprove of your good-faith personal and family decisions.”
But, “You’re a stalker if you subject us to any of that scrutiny.”
I would suggest to you that the overall atmosphere of the SCOC stems from the the feminine spirit that pervades this organization. It begins when someone tells a new initiate that the SCOC is “autonomous,” but is affiliated with several other like-minded congregations all over the country, when in reality, it is a centralized group or sect, with a definite hierarchy, and a small inner circle of leaders who call the shots for everyone. It is that jealous, feminine spirit which seeks to know every detail of every member’s life, so they can micro-manage those lives, and essentially control those… Read more »
Quite right. This feminine spirit, or feminism, which invaded the church, frequently emasculates the men, leading to them being harsh, unreasonable, critical, ill-tempered, draconian, oppressive, etc. A man whose wife is voluntarily submissive, loving, devoted, and committed to teaching children and caring for her home and husband, is going to be in a far better temper towards his wife, children, and others. He will be in a far better position than the man who is constantly challenged by his wife, and who has to fear her going to tell the teachers on him because she didn’t get her way, and… Read more »
Wow — your understanding of the group is intensive and extensive. You must have grown up in it, whereas I was around only long enough to ascertain that the natural and Godly roles of men had been usurped by petty and vindictive women, as is their nature when they are put in charge. I saw good men come and go, once they pushed back against being treated like children under a jealous mother’s care. I knew it was unnatural. The only “men” that thrived under this feminine regime were those who bowed, scraped, sucked up, and otherwise displayed simp-like behavior,… Read more »
Wanting to know how others deal with the shear stupidity that I deal with when I attempt to have a conversation with my mom. Background- I was born and raised in the CoC, quit going when I turned 18, am now 41. I deal with my mom, for lack of better words, and the ignorance of the CoC. My mother looked up to Merie so much that I am named after Merie, spelling and all! I would like to be able to just have a regular normal mother-daughter relationship, but doesn’t seem like I’ll ever have that. I am not… Read more »
One thing I have come to understand is how the oppressor works and that is through the use of strong emotions. I thought that christians were well reasoned and wise but what I found was just another group of carnal people under a loud alpha male or loud alpha female. My leader had a fondness for raising his voice at other grown adults and yelling at us for hours at a time. No different than high school football coaches, no different than military leaders and no wisdom to be found. Being under the example of strong emotions I think that… Read more »
We all face stress in our lives both external stress and internal stress. When we as humans are stressed we develop coping mechanism to deal with the stress we feel. A maladaptive coping mechanism is to get angry and I see this behavior on a regular basis in both myself and in others around me, but anger does nothing to relieve the stress but in fact makes it worse. It is important to pay attention to one’s reaction when being stressed and ask: is there a better coping mechanism? In the Psalms we read of King David’s reactions when stressed… Read more »
In overcoming a negative attitude I had to realize where I first went astray and that was when I was seduced by pessimism. Being negative made you important and listened to by others. But pessimism is a dead end street and one becomes like absinthium, that is; without sweetness. In recovering oneself from the snare of the devil just ask yourself: when is the last time I said anything good? A paradigm shift from believing that negativity is important to positivity is important is necessary to overcome the seductress that is pessimism.
Ecclesiastes 11:1 says cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days and this is an abstract teaching. Abstract teachings are always general in nature and concrete teachings are specific in nature. If bread is instructions then waters are people ( in Revelations 17:15 it says the great whore sits upon many waters which are many people) so put out your teachings and it will return in the form of changed behavior. Sometimes the teaching does not benefit the individual but the group as Christ taught in Matthew 9:17 what happens when you put new… Read more »
To give some insight into people ask what are they not teaching? Silence is approval and so many lessons are autobiographical so why would a spiritual leader fail to teach against adultery unless they secretly approve of adultery? Why would a leader fail to teach against foul language unless they secretly approve of foul language? Why would a spiritual leader fail to teach against covetousness unless they are secretly covetous? Why would a spiritual leader fail to teach against violence and murder unless they were secretly practicing violence and murder in their hearts? Silence reveals so much.