“The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”
I have to apologize to readers (again) for being absent from responding and moderating the blog for so long. I know there are some things I need to clean up, and inappropriate comments to delete. I intended to do that this past weekend, but here it is my lunch hour on Monday and it’s still not done.
I started a new job last Spring and had a daughter get married over the summer, so family time has become a lot more scarce, and therefore a bit more precious. I have some reading to do to catch up, but I’m looking forward to reengaging with the conversation.
P.s. – Just as a reminder to newbies, the articles on this blog are the ONLY things that can be attributed to me personally. The articles express my own opinions in as accurate and kind a way as I know how, but I don’t have control over the commenting, nor the time to moderate inappropriate material in real-time.
To those who have helped with this by emailing me specific items that need to be deleted, thank you!
1. Deleted some profanity, please send me links to specifics and I’ll delete others.
2. Reminder: Keep it classy and conversational, people, or I’ll have to shut comments down. I want to provide a forum for intelligent conversation, not a gutter to throw mud around.
3. Ronnie: Asking “If Stanton isn’t the right church, which one is?” is the wrong question and you’ll get the wrong answer every time, because there is no perfect, infallible church. Not Stanton, not the Christian Churches, not any of them. That is the point.
A scriptural local church is a body of believers, not a specific denomination or sect meeting in a specific address. See my article This one little problem with the One True Church claim. Even the churches in Revelation within the lifespan of the apostles had strayed. If Stanton truly had been on the right track by dividing from mainline CoCs (which they weren’t, but go with me here), they would be beset by the same problems as the churches described in Revelation: human error.
A better question is “Where can I worship and grow in knowledge and grace and love and generosity and all the other fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5?”
Listen to a former member of a church speak about the cult he had been in. That cult recently was involved in beating a young man to death. The SCOC doesn't do that but everything else the man talked about was spot on about the Merie Weiss sect. Chilling.
This is a better link.
One of the unwritten lessons I was taught in the SCOC was that of harshness. In the military from day one you are treated harshly and this is done with good reason: because the men are being prepared for war. In the first two weeks after my baptism I was treated harshly by the teaching preacher and I accepted this as normal because of the military, but christianity is not preparing men for war but for peace. In a nation that is at war the entire populace is subject to harshness of life due to the conflict. People who have… Read more »
This is so true that anybody should feel like they are walking on egg shells in the church. It has gotten that if anybody even thinks or judges you incorrectly that it could be brought out to you that you are in sin. I watched that video and what he was saying was a lot of what I was going through in my congregation. Too many times people have gotten into trouble for things that they did not do and the biggest problem is that the preachers/teachers saw no wrong in this. I have actually had the scriptures used against… Read more »
Lynn the human reaction you speak of is: emotions. The false teaching that christians are not emotional people blinds them to the effect they are having on others, how they are hurting others feelings. The teaching comes from the arrogant mind and not from the conscience mind. The arrogant with their superiority complex can never be wrong, and the false teaching that teachers are just like bishops and worthy of double honor and so can't be reproved again blinds them to the damage they are doing to the sheep. Rest assured these are those who will argue with Christ on… Read more »
Thank you Anon October 18, 2015 at 7:09 PM
I have a recorded copy of that talk that TC did and still listen to as he was right on the money as to how we are to be towards each other. His conclusions were great exhortations that could heal a lot of what brethren are going through. To bad, in most cases, it isn't applied or exercised. If anybody else has a copy of that, go and relisten to it and you will see.
Lynn you are right about the assumptions that teachers in the Stanton group make, and then how the accused Christians are treated.The dictionary defines surmise as :" to accuse; to infer without conclusive evidence; to guess."Guess is defined as "to form a judgment without actual knowledge."When my husband and I were rebuked for moving to a town outside of Tampa, (the teacher had counselled that it was ok and that he was thinking of moving there too), we were also rebuked for being late to personal work several time. Also, for not repenting of being late and for not confessing… Read more »
Ain't it funny how the scriptures say we aren't suppose to evil surmise, yet the ScoC says that it's ok for their teachers to do it? I don't see anywhere in the scriptures where there is an exception.
I tried to point that out, once, and it was just ignored. If you even dare to try to say that their surmising is incorrect you get labeled as somebody who justifies and.or defends themselves. You are just supposed to take it and make an confession.
"Offenses will come, but woe unto him by whom they come."
People are getting offended by this practice. Why would I want to justify offending the people of God by these practices?
One thing I've noticed about the children of abusers-they themselves become abusers. (of course, not all but still a large number). It's the same with spiritual abusers, they raise up ones who see nothing wrong with abusing others. So of course the ScoC sees nothing wrong with their practice of abusing their members. And yes, that is what it is! What they do instead is to continue the abuse by making it seem as though there is something wrong with the victim. They aren't spiritual enough, or it's just pride that makes them react to abuse, and that they just… Read more »
A great thing I have figured out is that it seems that people try to live their Christianity according to their personalities. Instead of fully letting the mercy, empathy, love, and understanding of God fully fill their their hearts they dispense the gospel in accordance to their carnal personalities. So, if their carnal lives are without the things that I listed they will come out in how they deal with people. I heard of a statement that the religious world has and I even heard GP make it in a talk. "Only Christians shoot their wounded." Just stop and think… Read more »
If you have ever heard one of the evangelists lessons in Spring Valley, about the plants in his yard, then you have heard his main belief: he believes and that all his fellow Christians are "bad fruit" compared to him. His lesson is repeated often with various plants and he points out how it looks good but is just bad fruit. By labeling people as "bad fruit" then you can treat them as badly as you want and it will not bother your conscience. I was taught to do this by my father as I grew up but we called… Read more »
He did a talk called, "Dying on the Vine" years ago.
I have reported the COC to the FBI for cult behavior. I hope they get shut it down.
This is funny
Very funny. Russia anyone?
Children in Soviet Russia got lionized for reporting their parents to the authorities for criticizing Stalin, Communism, or any other leader. There is a freedom of religion in America, and I am pretty confident whoever anonymous at 5:42 P.M is, they have no idea what religion is, and even less of an idea of the history of America and religious Tolerance. David Koresh, Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate and Marshall Applewhite were all cults, the Stanton Church of Christ isn't even close to being a cult except in the fevered imaginations of those who have a huge concept of perceived wrongs… Read more »
Very well said Martin Luther. You represent your name sake well.
Thank you Concerned. Going to keep PUSHing:) Pray Until Something Happens.
To Martin Luther and Concerned: I agree with some of what Martin Luther was saying. I don't believe that the Stanton Group is a cult in the same sense that those he listed are. BUT…it is an offshoot of the "Mainstream" churches of Christ. I know that the Stanton Group believes they are the "true church of Christ" and that the other (off) churches are lost. The Stanton Group does indeed isolate it's members from reading outside material and other versions of the bible (other than the KJV). They isolate members from family who are not members of the Stanton… Read more »
I was raised in the church, but not a member. What I don't get is why you just don't say really who you are. I think I remember it was Jerimiah that said don't be afraid of their faces and Jesus who said fear not them that can only kill, but fear God who can kill both body and soul. Why are you so scared to say your real name. Would'nt that make a bigger impact on those you are trying to affect. Why am I under anonymous. I'm still pretty young and don't want to hurt anybody. Is that… Read more »
I woke up thinking about your request for an anonymous answer. You gave your reason for wanting to remain in the protective shroud of anonymous, each one of us has a different reason. And so I will speak for myself. Unlike you I had very many years in the Stanton Churches of Christ. In fact I think I can say I grew up in the culture that it offered for anyone who wanted as close to the scriptures as they could possibly get. As time melted away I realized I had spend more time in the Kingdom of Christ than… Read more »
To Anon November 7 at 9:54 am: I know that it may be puzzling to you as to why ones wish to remain anonymous, but rest assured each has a reason! Some have had a bad experience in the Stanton Group, and still fear the repercussions of disagreeing with the group. Their experiences are still very vivid in their minds! Others just wish for their words to be examined, and not their persons. And I'm sure there are even more reasons! But for concerned to say there are evil persons on this blog is ridiculous. It would be the same… Read more »
I guess I can understand…I think, but if I remember my mom teaching us that a Christian was to be glad and happy when they were persecuted when they did right. If your right what is there to be scared of. It's like I think Paul said yell it from the top of house and he wasn't scared to have his name made. I still think it is being a coward to not stand up and not fear man (I think that's what was said to me)
To Anon 11/7 @ 7:30. I've been withdrawn from for four years by the Stanton group, and excommunicated, for no other reason than I disagreed with them. Realizing their stagnant growth is due to their not realizing that the church is a hospital for sinners not a museum for saints, I tried to let them know that sinners often can and do overcome sin and become completely transformed, and it is a matter of God's timing, not theirs. Human wisdom and understanding fails to comprehend the might and majesty of our maker. But one of the primary sins of the… Read more »
Still addressing Anon 11/7 @ 7:30. I agree they try to restrict exposure to outside knowledge and wisdom, and are fond of the idea that all knowledge and wisdom are contained in the Stanton Church of Christ. That is not pride at all. That is obviously humility as it takes lowliness to recognize that you know everything and everyone else knows nothing:) Ironically, if you disagree with this assessment, you step into the mother of a bear trap, for they will then inform you that YOU are proud, and YOU need to learn to be humble, and stop thinking YOU… Read more »
Abraham Lincoln was approached by a woman who had similar sentiments as you do about Stanton. She had them about the South. She approached Lincoln, and told him, "Aren't you ashamed of yourself, you just let all the Southern boys go free and they killed our Northern soldiers"? Lincoln's reply? "Madam, do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends"? Lincoln addressed a far greater wrong than we face today, Stanton is not enslaving anyone. Yet, he had mercy and magnanimity towards his enemies, his final inaugural address, sums up the spirit we should have towards Stanton.… Read more »
I am including this Inaugural by Lincoln, because it is one of the greatest examples in recent human history of a grievous wrong being addressed, while still holding out mercy to the perpetrator. May we profit from the example. At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point… Read more »
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the… Read more »
To Anon 11/7 @9:54 That is a legitimate question. I fear no man, but the Bible is clear to be "wiser than serpents, and harmless as doves". Sometimes messages are better conveyed without the messengers identity being recognized. It wasn't wise for Joseph to immediately identify himself to his brothers, and it allowed God's plan to be perfectly carried out. In the case of Stanton, who is fond of ad hominem (directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining) attacks, it is very wise to reveal one's identity with careful consideration. Stanton firmly believes that if it… Read more »
Beautifully written, Concerned, and I totally agree with your sentiments "The Stanton Churches of Christ is filled with the most amazing people I had ever met. I found I would have died for them, still would to this day. And because I know their dedication, their love for the things of God, and their hatred of what they consider evil I greatly fear speaking negative of them. I look at my life choices and see that I do not quality as one who can throw the first stone.". They are some of the most amazing people I have ever met,… Read more »
Lastly, my name will definitely be known, in time, I have no compunction in saying it, if it will aid the cause, but if the message is more effective being said anonymously, so be it. There are wicked and evil people who are allied against Stanton. While Stanton has issues which have been clearly delineated, and so do I, which I have taken to the place every christian should, God, there are those who absolutely revel in filth, and have no moral compass whatsoever. There is a difference in a person who does wrong, but strives to overcome, and is… Read more »
R your initials RM?
I, also, don't believe that they are a cult, but that they are handling the truth of God in unrighteousness. There are a lot of great loving people in the church and there are to many church leaders who lack mercy and empathy when upholding the scriptures and dealing with the brethren that are in need of their help and guidance. Jesus was called, "the Physician" for a reason. The apostles taught and encouraged the brethren to be there for each other for a reason, but it is now being taught that you are being selfish if you look to… Read more »
There is a very scriptural and right answer for all of this. God set the order in his kingdom for those who are to lead by example. They are called Elders. They are older Christian men. They are married to one wife. They have believing children. They are given to hospitality. They are not given to filthy money. They are apt to teach. etc. But in the Stanton Churches the congregations are under the judgments of people that certainly do not have those qualifications. God placed the qualifications there for a reason and I believe I can say the Stanton… Read more »
I totally agree with you on your point Concerned. That is why their judgments are so far off continually and their fruit is bad. They violate James 4:11 all of the time also and actually condone it as a way of teaching. "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art… Read more »
Can you keep a secret anonymous 11/9 @4:04?
We must be the change we wish to see in the world. http://play.simpletruths.com/movie/the-100-0-principle/. Personally, I recognize I could be kinder, more caring, and more forbearing with Stanton. It seems to be wise to avoid the mentality of having nothing to do with people who do what we clearly see to be wrong. This is the mentality employed towards us by them, and if we employ it towards them, how are we any better than them? Having been excommunicated, I suspect my invitations for dinner at my house may not be heeded, but I can honestly say there is no one… Read more »
Because if you can, Anonymous 11/9 @4:04, so can I:)
My prayer today was Lord help me to understand the correct way to deal with the arrogant. The arrogant mind will take any piece of knowledge you give them and exalt themselves over you; the arrogant believe in their own superiority and seek to force other into submission. The Pharisee's were certainly arrogant and the Lord caused me to understand that the example he set was to teach the arrogant but in a way that they would not understand: he spoke to them in parables. When being interrogated by arrogant teachers I tried to refuse to answer their questions but… Read more »
This should define a preacher/teacher of God. let alone a Christian, that there is one who spends most of their time just correcting you and telling you how things are to be vs one who is there to spend their time to help and guide as a brother/sister and child/servant of God.
You usually won't find those who are high minded and/or arrogant spending their time to work with you as equals. Paul said that he did it to gain others.
Don't forget them in the valley.
Just a question for ex members: if this is not the right church then which is? And in Luke 9:50 "those who are for us are not against us." Said by Jesus himself. Is the SCOC for the sake of Christ or not? What are some people's opinions on this verse?
I recommend you go to a mainstream conservative Church of Christ or to a First Christian Church. They both believe in baptism for the remission of sins.
Okay. I will look into both where I live(down south). Thanks for the replies.
FYI, First Christian Church might be a bit liberal on social issues. This is why going off a name is not the ideal, definitely visit and ask questions.
Ohhhhh, you touching some heavey duty ground. We'll see if the x members respond.
I believe that it is the right church, but there are to many leaders holding the hold the truth in unrighteousness. Most of what they say in talks and sermons is correct, but fail in implementing them. The church's greatest stumbling block is indifference and the problem with indifference is that those who have it don't see it because of their indifference. In a talk, TC touched on it when he was conferring with his wife over doing something for somebody and he stated that he isn't wired that way and it doesn't come to him to reach out to… Read more »
1. Deleted some profanity, please send me links to specifics and I'll delete others. 2. Reminder: Keep it classy and conversational, people, or I'll have to shut comments down. I want to provide a forum for intelligent conversation, not a gutter to throw mud around. 3. Ronnie: Asking "If Stanton isn't the right church, which one is?" is the wrong question and you'll get the wrong answer every time, because there is no perfect church. That is the point. Even the churches in Revelation within the lifespan of the apostles had strayed. If Stanton truly had been on the right… Read more »
The answer to that question, Kevin, is the Stanton Churches of Christ. They are straight shooters that is why they are hated.
If there are no perfect churches due to the flesh being unable to keep God's law then what about superbabes and superteachers who demand perfection of others while at the same time expecting you to show mercy to them for their imperfections? Does this mean then that a righteous christian is one who shows mercy, and not one who demands perfection? What about all those who are better than me because they knew Merie, are they then not really better than me? You have opened a can of worms Mr. Kevin. If I am not superior to others then how… Read more »
Who are you?
I feel really depressed. If the gospel is good news why do I feel like God hates me and I'll never get to heaven. I've been told my whole life I'm going to hell. I'm starting to believe it.
Sin and Satan is the only force that can make you feel like that, simply stated. Romans 8:38- For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I believe this.
Well only 1,000 people going to heaven and 7 billion going to hell out of this generation IS depressing.
If you actually believe that it is "depressing news" not "good news."
@ anonymous 12:08am are you a child of the church?
If you truly believe that you are going to hell rather than heaven and you are going to church then perhaps your teacher/preacher is the problem. Doom and gloom was all I heard in my time in the church seldom was a good word heard. There is a good side to God you have simply not been told about it. The negative seems so much more important than the positive but in truth they are both equally important in life; man sins everyday and God forgives everyday as well. Maybe sin is the problem, and man sins because of unbelief.… Read more »
The good side of God can be seen in Provrebs 31:10-31. The descriptions given for a virtuous women also match the behavior of a virtous God. :10 the virtuous woman is priceless, the virtuous God is also priceless, :11 you can trust the virtuous woman and you can trust the virtuous God; the virtuous woman does good and not evil all of her life, the virtuous God does us good and not evil all the days of are lives, :12 the virtuous woman seeks out the needful things for her family the virtuous God seek out the needful things for… Read more »
One of the most difficult things to understand about Satan is that sometimes he tells the truth. John 8:44 tells us that Satan is the father of lies, but that does not mean he doesn't tell the truth sometimes. In Genesis 3:4 Satan told Eve that thous shalt not surely die, and after eating the fruit they did not die carnally, so Satan did tell Eve the truth he just left out the spiritual half. In the SCOC you are told the truth and given scriptures out of the bible to prove what they are saying but once a false… Read more »
Your first exegesis of the scripture in Gen 3:4 makes God the liar. God said 'thou shalt surely die'. They were created to never die. When they ate of the fruit death was put within their members.
There was never a teaching, ever, that Christians didn't sleep in the day. If that was what you were taught then you can rest your heart in the correction of this. The Stanton churches would never teach something so ridiculous.
And believe me teachers and preachers are withdrawn from in record numbers.
To Anon on Feb 25 at 11:07 AM: Yes, teachers and preachers are withdrawn from, but usually after they have done much damage! AND, it's taught that tho those teachers/preachers did something worthy of withdrawal, they ARE STILL teachers. This was taught to us by GP in our congregation after our teachers were withdrawn from. Instead of the teachers/preacher were withdrawn from, they weren't rebuked. Instead, our congregation was. We were told how carnal we were, and that what those withdrawn from teachers/preachers said about us all were true! And when other teachers and another preacher came, they kept up… Read more »
To Anon Feb 25 at 11:07 AM: You might want to read "2 Opinions Chapter 3". It's on the right had side of this blog, just click on the link. There is a long list of ridiculous things that the Stanton Group teachers as law. And there is no scriptural basis for those laws, just someone's opinion. If you don't agree with these "laws" you are then considered to be carnal, which is a bad thing to be when in the Stanton group. To be 'carnal' means you are of the lowest of the lows!And if you don't believe there… Read more »
Of course the consequences of following those bizarre rules are:Broken Marriages, Broken Families, Abandonment, Child Neglect, Uneducated women and daughters,Sex-less marriage, Divorce, Financial Disaster, Homelessness, Anger, Disillusionment, Suicide, Child abuse, Mind Control and Insanity.You get to decide though. Use your brain and all your senses if they have not already dulled your mind to their ways.THEY FLAT OUT LIE TO YOU AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE DAMAGE THEY DO. You won't find GOD there! Oh and that napping thing. During my ex-wife's 25+ years in COC she has spent many an afternoon on the couch with her head tilted… Read more »
Satan saying "thou shalt not surely die" was implying God had lied to Adam and Eve. What scripture do you get that death was put into their members and that they were meant to live forever? Please prove your assertions by scripture. Dominick was the one teaching that Christians don't sleep in the daytime, and Dominick also taught that the righteous never break bones (Ps 34:20) so he would never have to worry about himself breaking a bone and when the Volkswagon Mechanic from Oxnard got his finger stuck and broke in Dominick garage door I told him you aren't… Read more »
When Adam and his wife Eve were created by God there was no sin in the world. Thus there was no death. Romans 5:12-21 Death by sin. They were told the truth by God how to keep the garden as it was created to be, free from sin and free from death. When they believed Satan's lie they transgressed, committed sin, and death entered the world. Death has passed to all men because all have sinned.
This is why we needed someone to come and save us by shedding his blood for our sins.
"Every time he answers like this!" says DS with derision. DS gave me something that I did not realize: his short temper. In Proverbs 22:24-25 Solomon give a very serious warning "Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul." A short temper will destroy every relationship you have; it will destroy your marriage, it will destroy your relationship with your children, it will destroy your relationship with coworkers, and with the members of your church. Every chance I get to… Read more »
I feel your pain. PM me so we can hook up and share experiences. You are where?
Hey Brad you can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org I don't know what PM is; not that computer saavy.
The three ways a human thinks are: #1 pride(arrogance) #2 lust(flesh), and #3 the conscience(soul). When a person walks after their pride they develop a superiority complex and treat themselves good and treat others badly. The extreme of pride is the sociopath, a person that has no conscience, and no feelings. A sociopath, because they have no conscience are capable of anything and are only limited by their intelligence. A sociopath is self centered and self serving in everything they do. Cynicism is a virtue when dealing with a sociopath, because they can never be trusted. Words can lie, but… Read more »
When a man says "I am behind on my child support" what that means is the estranged wife and children went hungry that week, or for however long the child support has not been paid. In the Bible the women are to be stay at home moms, aka virtuous women. The virtuous women depend on the child support to feed their children and when the don't receive it they go without. How does the SCOC deal with men who fail to support their children? Well if your in DS's congregation he will make you a preacher. DS's stated in a… Read more »
"How does he know that?" says DS with astonishment. One of the first problems to surface from the abundance of lazy men was during the fellowship meal on Sundays. After serving the men there was not enough food left to feed all the woman and children at the fellowship.(the lazy men did not have any money to buy food to bring to the fellowship) What was the solution given by DS? Did he instruct the men to work more than his 25 hour a week standard to be able to give the women more money to have more food available… Read more »
This ranting makes absolutely no sense and is totally ridiculous. Kevin, I believe the usefulness of this blog has hit bottom and is no longer constructive. This last post is a very good example.
To Anon Feb 28 at 8:14 PM: You must not have been around for very long. In the congregation where I was at, it was the same thing! All of the men aspired to follow the example of the teacher/preacher, he only worked a half day (mowing lawns) and was getting welfare and food stamps too. If he increased his work hours (he was self employed) then he would lose some of the welfare and food stamps. We also had problems with not enough food at fellowships! Even though I was single and had no children, I worked a full… Read more »
The weekly cry baby report. Get along in your life. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad that your were prosecuted for your rightiousness. Isn't that enuff from your god or do you want more than what god can offer.
People are missing the point. When somebody brings up a point of how there was mistreatment in their congregation, the answer is not to call them a cry baby and to move on. Look at it in this aspect, that there are congregations who have leaders that ARE mistreating treating it's members. Look at the fact that the people who you are looking up to are of a mind to mistreat others. How can the members sit in class and listen to them for edification, instruction, and correction in the gospel of Christ like this? This goes beyond, "I was… Read more »
Love you Brad. I share the experience in my home congregation to see if other had the same situation or not. The irresponsible (lazy) men started a bad example which quickly spread through out the church. Once the women saw that the men were allowed to be lazy they too started becoming lazy. It was brought up that because it was so hot during the summer that the women did not want to turn on the ovens to cook food for the sunday fellowship with all the people in the home and the oven it was just to hot. So… Read more »
Sin can be equated with a tree: it has a beginning, a middle, and an end. I have discussed the tree of child abuse here but have not show the fruit, that is the final product of sin. Hazel Capell was the woman who taught to tie your children down, which was done not only at home but during the sunday's fellowships as well. 100% of serial killers were abused as children by one or both parents. Hazel was married to a non member who was in the Navy. Hazel's son grew up to commit murder; this is the final… Read more »
You wrote all of this before. Enough already.
Personification is one of the methods God uses to teach us is the scriptures. Personification is giving animals and plants human characteristics. Is it right to compare humans to animals and plants? Christ is personified as the lamb of God. What kind of animals would you associate with your church leaders, or what animal behaviors do they exhibit? For me it is simple; my fist teacher was a roaring lion, you could hear him coming a mile away and he was usually angry and always loud. My second teacher was much more subtle, he was a snake. My first teacher… Read more »
I see it's time to leave this blog. It is clear that it no longer serves it's purpose but has now fallen into the hands of those with the root of bitterness.
We need all of the believing to start their own blogs, it is really not that difficult and you would be spreading the word about Christ. Please consider it.
The goodness of God can be seen in Proverbs 1:10-19 where Solomon teaches an antirecruitment lesson. The group of evil doers were seeking others to join their group of evildoers and made many promises of how great joining and sharing in their group would be, but Solomon refutes everyone of their promises by showing the reality of their lifestyle. Right now I have Marine Corp recruiters coming after my teenage daughter with promises of education, travel, and good pay. I am so far successful in refuting all their promises as false by showing how many Marines have been senselessly killed… Read more »
Are you saying the United States Marine Corps are Evil Doers? SHAME on you They are the reason you can voice any opinion at all in this free country.You are someone living in fear of the fools of this cult, yet you fear advancing your daughter's life skills in a worthy organization. If she has a good brain in her head, she will advance in self esteem and education without the corrupting influence of the bizarre COC. Do not place fear of death in her young head. The evil doers are in the SCOC not the USMC. I did 4… Read more »
Man! Ol man KF is fired up again.
I'm with Fred.
Does the church STILL have any unbiblical teachings or are they all in the past? Are any of the members really saved?
Yes, it does. Read any of the things in my story and you will see a lot of unscriptural teaching. When the church tells you that you are in sin for something that is not a written law then they have made it a law themselves. I twas taught in my congregation that if you did not allow any Christian to come to your home anytime of the day on any day without notice that this is a sin. It is taught that if you have an infirmary that cause you to miss some classes that you are the one… Read more »
here we go again. ad nausiam
A question was asked and then answered, nothing more. If you don't like reading things, like this, which is why this blog was started, then why read it? You're wasting your time.
I have to agree with Anonymous 748. We have read your complaints so many times we think you should do something about it. If you can't then you have to accept it and move on. Which you have not done.
that's the most interesting and profound thing of all your posts. Please keep it up.
Wow, anonymous at 8:06am what a loving and Christian thing to say.
In Proverbs 2:12-15 Solomon tells us that wisdom will keep us from the evil man with a froward mouth. Froward is defined as difficult to deal with; contrary and an example of this is Judas in John 12:1-8 when he criticized the good work of Mary. Another example of the froward that is, the contrary mouth can be seen with the Pharisees in Mathew 9:34 when Christ did a miracle and they had to show their superiority by criticizing his good works. You can read what God thinks of the froward mouth in Proverb 8:13. When you read comments like… Read more »
This is why certain problems exist in the church, there are people, like this, that either refuse to see the problem, or don't care, so instead of facing and fixing the problem they make the victims out to be complainers. There are a lot people in the church who lack empathy and they can't see it because of their indifference, just like poster anonymous at 8:06am. So, when see/hear of brethren who are in need they to indifferent to help and lack empathy when they are told that we are required through scripture to be there for them. 1 Thessalonians… Read more »
Proverbs 12:27 talks about neglect; the slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting. A person goes to all the trouble of hunting game and then after the kill neglects the animal. It is a lot of work to field dress an animal but if it is not done quickly then bacteria sets in and ruins the meat and hide. God does not look favorably upon the neglectful. In Proverbs 24:11-12 it tells us that God considers those who neglect to help others in their time of need and he will repay the neglectful with a curse. In… Read more »
Well done Anon on March 19 at 7:22 AM, except for one thing. You gave scriptures to support what you are saying, UNTIL you got to the part "How can you if a person is not keeping the commandment to study his word?"
Then you failed to give any scriptural support for your belief that those who post "only complaints and criticisms of others and do not mention any scriptural base for their assertions" are not studying.
Perhaps you could share with us the scriptures that say those who share their bad experiences in life are not studying?
What commandments are you referring to concerning study?