“He is risen.” This often repeated phrase is the Christian community’s traditional greeting on what people call “Easter.” Stanton typically distances itself from any holiday observances, even secular ones like Mother’s Day. In doing this, they take a page out of the doctrines of other sects like Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I unfortunately carried these feelings long into adulthood, thinking (because it was what I had been told) that people who celebrate Easter just care about the Easter bunny. But it’s simply not true. Yes, there are some secularized people who are “Christians” in name only, and there will always be those. But that is not the end of the story.
So is it really against scripture to observe this or any other holiday in our American or Christian culture? Not hardly. Not when you properly understand this teaching from Paul. Let’s start at the beginning of Romans 14:
“Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.” Romans 14:1-4
Then we get to the passage in question:
“One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14:5-6 (NIV)
There are all kinds of bad arguments used to divert attention from Paul’s clear teaching on this. “Paul was only referring to Jewish holidays.” Or “The stronger brother would not celebrate the holiday.”
Nonsense. Paul’s examples include eating meat offered to idols, celebrating holidays for the Lord, and refraining from celebrating holidays for the Lord. His only verdict on any of these things is “it doesn’t matter…do what leads to peace.”
“Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.” Romans 14:19
But there are no buts in Paul’s teachings on this. I should not be teaching you to observe Easter or any other holiday. Nor should I be teaching you that you can’t. I should not be teaching you that you should eat meat offered to idols. But neither should I be teaching that you can’t.
“Come on people,” Paul is saying. “Accept one another on the same basis that Christ accepted you.”
“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” Romans 15:7
No one was accepted by Christ because of our perfect understanding of scripture, or holidays, or any other subject beside the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the forgiveness we obtain at the cross. That is the Gospel; the Good News. That’s the basis on which the first converts came to Christ on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, and therefor that’s the basis of our relationship with Christ. It’s upon that same basis that Paul instructs us to accept our brother. This used to be the call of the Stone-Campbell Movement. Oh, how far away from those principles we’ve come.
Kevin, concerning the holidays- Stanton keeps birthdays and anniversaries- if they are going to ban holidays then where are scriptures to support celebrating birthdays? I do not believe there is anything wrong with celebrating birthdays, I just think it shows how they pick and choose what they want to do. I think it’s interesting how they twist Jeremiah 10 to teach it is opposing Christmas!
Yes. And believe me, I used those verses to condemn Christmas as well. So I’m not judging, just saying. 🙂 Their criteria on holidays had to do with if it was a “religious” holiday. Then they had to go research the roots of all holidays and make a judgement if it was “religious” or not. Someone discovered a “religious” connection for Mother’s Day, so that was out. Not sure if it still is. For many years, I took my mom at her word that she didn’t celebrate Mother’s Day and intentionally didn’t give her a card—she would never want me… Read more »
Mother’s day is still not celebrated, at least not in the open. It sounds like your mom doesn’t conform to that particular man-made doctrine which is nice to hear. The only two days celebrated openly are birthdays and anniversaries.
I believe they did this in two fold. One that they are man made observations, carnal, and the other that some are religious based, such as either started by the Catholics and/or started as a “religious” holiday. I won’t celebrate Christmas because I believe it is an nonreligious holiday with Christ’s name attached to it. It’s all about the getting of merchandise. I won’t celebrate Easter as it is another man made day attaching God’s name to it. I won’t celebrate mother’s’father’s day, Valentine’s day, or the like as I believe in spontaneity and not a calendar telling me when… Read more »
1) The charge of “man-made holidays” doesn’t fly, because that is not prohibited by scripture. If I want to create a day called Love and Grace Day, there’s no problem with that in the Bible. The only problem would be if I bound that on other people and required them to keep this holiday—or if I lied to people and told them that it was a holiday required by scripture to observe. But me alone honoring Love and Grace Day and inviting others into that does not violate any NT teaching; particularly when you look at Romans 14 and 15… Read more »
And that’s between you and God to believe that.
Exactly. Just as it’s between you and God if you believe the opposite.
Kevin, I would like to add to what you were saying above when you were taking about the pagan roots” of a holiday. When i was in the group, I found it fascinating how that they would go on and on about the pagan roots of holidays, but think nothing of allowing their children to play “ring-around-the-rosy”. When I spoke to “older” teachers about it, I found that while they knew the superstitious back ground to the song, they thought it ok for the children to play and sing it because no one believes those things anymore. Yet, at the… Read more »
Very good points. Thanks, Debby. Yes, there are a LOT of unbiblical influences on our society and daily life, many of which have no spiritual significance. Is God really angry with us if we say “Gesundheit” or even “bless you” after someone sneezes? It’s ridiculous.
Well, when America was founded, few, if anyone celebrated Easter or Christmas, because that time period understood history and the Bible far better than we do. Our day and age is full of conceited, arrogant, proud, and smug types, deceived by propaganda, who discard the wisdom and virtue of the past, claiming that we are the height of human wisdom. Our nation is on the verge of being destroyed because of these types. Let us be honest. Laws are controlled by politicians, politicians are controlled by voters, voters are controlled by the schools and media, and the schools and media… Read more »
We know that Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of Christ and the Easter Bunny has nothing to do with his resurrection either. Christmas – there are atheists and non Christians who celebrate it because it is all about the getting and giving of gifts, which they ignore most of the rest of the year.
I judge no man for what he chooses to follow or allow after the fashion of days esteemed, but I, for one will not touch “religious” holidays.
Monte and Lynn, do you celebrate birthdays and if so, do you allow yourself to have candles on a cake? I’m curious because the traditional birthday celebration with candles on a cake has pagan roots.
Sophistry, ACITK. It is simple to take any argument, throw in specious reasoning, and dissuade the simple. Harder to learn the roots, and proceed. Personally, birthdays mean little to me.
So, your reasoning is that if you celebrate birthdays, then you shouldn’t have a problem with Easter and Christmas. Where is your proof that birthdays have pagan roots?
I’ve never seriously considered birthdays and their significance. Celebrating birthday’s seems more like an act of courtesy, and selflessness. Of course, you’ll say Christmas and Easter seem that way too, except they were originally debauched paeans to idols.
Let us not throw out the baby with the bathwater on this one. The keeping and celebrating of Christmas and Easter in their modern-day incarnations has as much relevance to the observance of ancient Pagan celebrations and rituals as the modern observance of Valentine’s Day to ancient ritual sacrifice. Today, the observance of Christmas and Easter, while excessively commercialized, has more to do with getting families together under the pretense of something spiritual, and in that regard, it is a good thing.
Watch some of the fights from Black Fridays over objects that have nothing to do with spirituality. Christmas has more to do with greed. Families can get together any time of the year. It seems that people allow dates on the calendar dictate to them when to show love and respect towards others.
Lynn, days off from work has a lot to do why families get together on these different days. Religious or not. Merie’s cult takes advantage of these days off from work as well for their various meetings.
I agree, Craig, I buy food that is on sale and take advantage of the days off as well. One place I worked gave away a turkey around Thanksgiving and took it gladly as it was food for the family.
I am still apprehensive at supporting the celebrating religious holidays that really don’t support nor were condoned by God. We can do with the days as we wish, but when it comes to putting his name on it is different.
Lynn, what do you think about celebrating a holiday in a non-religious way such as a family gift exchange at Christmas time?
There should be nothing wrong with that. Whatever you decide to do with your family is up to you. Like I said, when a non instituted day, by God, is instituted by man with God’s name on it is what I don’t agree with. God’s name isn’t on personal birthdays, anniversaries, Halloween (even though it celebrates Samhain, the day of the dead, and Wiccan celebration), Independence Day, and all of the other celebrated calendar days. These days it is up to your conscience
We aren’t throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There is nothing worth preserving about Christmas and Easter. Stanton has it correct. The weekly Lords Supper is a fitting memorial for the birth and resurrection of Christ. Anything beyond this is not in scripture, and these two have pagan roots. Lynn has it very correct, as do you, to an extent, ST, Christmas is very commercialized. It has nothing to do with spirituality. To say my love for someone has anything to do with a ritual of buying things for them at a certain time of the year is perfect… Read more »
This is the beauty of liberty and freedom under God as Christians. You, Montesquieu, and your household, may hold to you convictions and conscience as you see fit, and whatever that may entail. And I, or Donna, or Kevin, or anyone on here, has the liberty to do the same, per our convictions and consciences. And based on such, no individual who exercises their liberty within Christ, according to their conscience, is sinning, no matter how many decorations I put on the Christmas tree in my home, or the lights and inflatable reindeer I put up on the outside. I… Read more »
Monte – Still looking for the specious reasoning in my thoughts on Romans 14 and 15, and 1 Corinthians 8. Can you point it out to me?
No Monte, that’s not my reasoning. Why don’t you ask for my reasoning instead of telling me what it is. My reasoning is as follows… if you have chosen to not participate in Christmas and Easter because of their pagan roots, why would you allow yourself to blow out candles on a Birthday cake since the practice has pagan roots? I’m not asking how important your birthday is to you, I am asking about the birthday candle tradition. You might not have had candles on a birthday cake in a number of years because of your age or circumstances (I… Read more »
Straw man, as I am not a big fan of birthdays anyways. I neither go out of my way to have mine celebrated, nor do I go out of my way to celebrate others. Specious and sophistic arguments.
You assume birthdays are of importance and relevant to my experience, and they are not. Next time, ask.
You have not answered my question Monte.
You ask the question assuming I give birthdays the credence many give Christmas and Easter. Your underlying assumption is in error, therefore your question is invalid. Kind of like the Pharisees, always asking questions, not understanding their hearts.
We have quite a few like that on here.
Comparing birthdays to Christmas and Easter is Sophism and a straw man logical fallacy, as the former two have religious connotations, and the latter is nothing but a celebration of one’s aging. Clear distinction which you refuse to recognize in a desperate attempt to defend the former two.
Montesquieu, where did PIMO say he was defending the “former two?”
Montesquieu, I never assumed, written or otherwise, that you give birthdays the credence that many give to Christmas and Easter. I am asking you about birthday candles on a birthday cake… the tradition has pagan roots. Why are you against Christmas and Easter because of their pagan roots and not against candles on a birthday cake which also has pagan roots? The following is a quote of an earlier comment you wrote- ‘It’s interesting that you completely did not mention, Kevin, the nearly total pagan roots of Christmas and Easter, and you object more to the church opposing these pagan… Read more »
I don’t celebrate my birthdays. A lot of things have pagan roots, but pagan birthdays don’t have God’s name on them.
Let’s remember people that these are opinions on the holidays! These are the areas that I DO decide for MYSELF (wow! I have that freedom!) whether , or not, I am going to keep some of the traditions the world observes. Because my family is so big, we get together after the first of the year to play games and eat and enjoy the kids. We play the saran-wrap prize ball game. At my church,people celebrate to varying degrees based on their convictions or traditions, but my church does not lay out rules for celebrating holidays. Anyone else done with… Read more »
Not sure, but it appears my last comment was deleted. Would like an explanation if that is so. It would be really funny if this site criticizes Stanton for withdrawal, and then silences comments they don’t like. LOL. No irony there. Free Speech in America was designed so that IDEAS YOU DON’T LIKE TO HEAR can still be expressed. Because the Founders understood Stanton, the Democrat party, Communism, and the many on here, who HATE to hear sensible ideas that make them uncomfortable. They understood these busy bodies will get a few demagogues, and try to gang up on unpopular… Read more »
It would be great if you gave the benefit of the doubt instead of starting a friendly fire shootout. 😉
No, you weren’t being censored, your post was automatically sent to a moderation queue because it had a link in it. This is to reduce spam from Viagra pushers, etc. I have had to spend some time getting other projects finished up for clients, and was out of town for a few days, so I didn’t see the email alert.
I said I was unsure, however, I could have been less accusatory. It turns out my conjectures were in error, which isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last. But, I made sure to paint them as theories, not facts.
Thank you, Kevin, for clarifying. I think it’s reasonable to suspect something fishy when one is under criticism, and one’s posts are missing.
While I have no problem stating reasonable suspicions, and trying to confirm them before stating they are errors, I do not conclude on any surmises without firm proof.
Monte – to further respond to your accusations in the above post, the Campbell and Stone quotes are still there, and I even added more quotes. They are just randomly displayed one at a time. Every page refresh will display a random quote from each of those categories (Gary, Merie, Campbell, Stone). This was just to save space and change things up a little. Where I have a single page of quotes, I have provided a link to read more. In the case of the Stone-Campbell quotes, I don’t yet have a single page for that, but I will at… Read more »
Thank you for clarifying further, Kevin. Was curious about that. It did not seem to add up, and it appears, that my initial conjectures were in error.
Donna, well said. I had similar thoughts. Montesquieu, my four children work on Saturdays. With out of town/state family every year you know when the certain holidays take place. Just as the cult uses those days to plan for their functions it makes sense for families to do the same.
Yes. And back when I was hardcore against celebrating “religious” holidays, I eventually found myself being forced to argue that I could honor Jesus on any day of the year *except* Christmas, because that one day had pagan roots. That just illustrated to me the ridiculousness of my own position. The point of Romans 14 and 15, and 1 Corinthians 8 is that we are Christians living in a pagan world. We can be in this world, while not being of it. Paul’s instruction is to simply not honor the pagan things that bother your conscience. Period. It’s really pretty… Read more »
Very sad but your choice.
Monte, you said “It’s interesting that you completely did not mention, Kevin, the nearly total pagan roots of Christmas and Easter….” I actually did address that with my reference to meat offered to idols, and addressed it even further in a comment. Believe me, I was a hardcore anti-holiday Pharisee when I was your age. I had pages and pages of studies and research on this topic that I tried to force down everyone’s throat. I feel like I’m talking to a younger me. Lol Let’s look at the eating of meat offered to idols in more depth. Meat in… Read more »
By the time everyone takes their reasoning as to why they do not celebrate holidays they take the joy out of family get togethers. It was always a sore spot to my husband and I why our family had to be so different . So many times we were alone on the holidays because they all had to be in church or meetings. It was something we never understood so had to accept it as to not cause division. At my age we treasure every celebration we can with family and or friends. Life is short folks so why not… Read more »
The Christians in America over 200 years ago, were not hard core Pharisees, and they rarely, if ever celebrated Christmas or Easter. They had a far better moral society than today, all things considered. Their main error was they did not understand all races had the same intellectual potential, and they can easily be forgiven for that, by any who aren’t brainwashed by the Marxist media and schools, who will be busy brainwashing at least 10 million Americans today. It is a straw man logical fallacy to equate Pharisaism with not celebrating Easter and Christmas, two holidays founded upon paganism.… Read more »
Monte, you said: “In the 1 Corinthians passage you quoted, Paul is saying that it is best he does not eat meat, to not offend those who knew better, which is the same as saying not to celebrate Christmas or Easter. Same lesson applies to alcohol.” Paul is absolutely not saying it’s best to eat meat as a broad statement. He’s saying that *IF* I know that me eating meat offered to idols is *GOING TO* cause someone to sin by tempting them to honor the pagan God they used to worship, then I shouldn’t eat meat (it’s presumed to… Read more »
I’m focused on paying bills right now, but the short reply is that I spend exactly zero time “celebrating” Easter or Christmas. My family does nothing to “celebrate” them, whatever that words means to each individual person. I’ve simply come to recognize the lack of Biblical authority for suggesting they are wrong—any more so than eating food at a Buddhist-owned restaurant, or choosing to honor moms on a specific day of the year.
However, while celebrating these holidays is not engaged in by the wise, the message of ‘He is risen’ is very relevant to today. Stanton believes they can determine who can rise, and who cannot, which was the central contention between Christ and the Jews. The Jews believed the Gentiles were all a bunch of unclean heathens, who had no hope, and no potential. Christ thought differently. Also, if you sinned, the Jews wrote you off, and even would stone you for more serious sins, i.e. the woman caught in adultery. Stanton does this too. They feel no remorse, no pity,… Read more »
Off topic but I found it interesting reading a common confession from a member. Asking forgiveness for their responsibilities that they had taken on in their unworthiness and carnality. Smh, it made me consider how impossible it is to live up to expectations that the cult puts upon their members. This individual whom I know is a wonderful individual. Makes me wonder how many go not confessing what the cult expects from their members.
It makes me sad how many people in Merie’s church are truly miserable. Many are depressed and feel like they are never good enough. None of us was ever good enough for Christ to die for us, but He did, even for those who hurt him physically. He didn’t do that so we would be so miserable in our Christianity. This has been mentioned before, but the complete lack of understanding of God’s GRACE is what causes so many people to be miserable and feel like any shortfall will take them to hell (or to condemn others to hell, as… Read more »
Craig, don’t you just love how the word “carnality” is used, and overused, in the group? What exactly does it mean, and who determines what is carnal and what is not? And how far does it go? When I was with Merie’s group, even sleep was considered to be carnal. I remember one christian who was rebuked because she wanted to go home after Sunday eve class-to sleep! She was labeled “carnal”! Even at the time I thought it was ridiculous (the rebuke, I mean). When Merie’s group wants to discredit someone, “carnal” is usually one of the words they… Read more »
The word “carnal” means of the flesh. Almost everything in this life we do is carnal. Going to work, eating, sleeping, marriage, walking, etc. Where God is concerned is if we are “carnally minded” as a carnal mind is enmity against God and can’t follow the laws of God because they are the opposite of each other. i.e., the world likes to live in fornication/adultery because this is a lust and God’s law teaches against it. So, if I want to live in that carnality I can’t follow the law. Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do… Read more »
Correct, Lynn. I would even say it’s not wrong to desire things of the “flesh” (steak dinner, a glass of wine, sex with my wife, material items, etc.) but it’s wrong to be controlled by them (gluttony, drunkenness, sexual addiction, hoarding and coveting). Moderation is the key. Living for our fleshly desires is hedonism, or pure self-seeking. This is the opposite of godly living.
On the topic of Jesus being risen, it has been being talked about for the last 30 years in Stanton, that ‘we aren’t here to take up a seat’. Ironically, the same people who are always preaching, are the ones always talking about we aren’t supposed to be taking up a seat. It’s almost as if they are congratulating themselves for their teaching positions, and setting themselves up for adulation. It apparently has had little effect, as some people have been taking up a seat for the past 30 years, and Stanton certainly isn’t adding new people to the seats,… Read more »
Just have to share! Bill left Stanton ( Des Moines congregation) for good yesterday! He called the teacher CH to ask about missing Sunday classes to see our granddaughter graduate yesterday. He was told he was not allowed to miss based on “Matthew 18: what is bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Now he is FREE! I thank God for his deliverance. I also thank Kevin for this blog as Bill had been reading it, and could relate so much to Debbie Steven’s story. Thank you Kevin!!!! Your blog… Read more »
FREEDOM!! Please tell Bill I hope he will stick with God and Jesus and I hope he might also consider doing the Clean Bible Challenge. Mandatory class attendance is such an ingrained part of the SCOC teaching and a common element of all high control groups. Remember what babes are told ‘all you are commanded to attend is worship’. Ya, right, if they only knew the real story. Just think – Bill missed one class; one class out of thousands he has attended previously and POOF, he is considered a horrible back-sliding christian; one who is turning his back on… Read more »
‘I propose to fight it out on this line, if it takes all summer’ U.S. Grant Running from Stanton won’t solve any problems. If more people would confront them and not back down, Stanton would change for the better, and a person’s courage can be developed. A woman’s nature is fiercely territorial, and so standing and defending a position based on ideas does not really make sense to her. That’s how God made her, and that’s why he made her to be in subjection. When she leaves it, she imitates Eve, is deceived, and pays consequences. Most of the Christian… Read more »
I’ll go to my grandchildren’s graduation before a non commanded class any day of the week. That is in no way putting a graduation before God. Nor setting a bad example for my grandchild. Plus very wise getting away from Merie’s cult. How many classes have you been in Montesquieu and wondered, really, what a waste of time that was. Portland had plenty of them that I attended. You’ve brought up the May meetings Montesquieu and how ridiculous some of the discussions were. No different with classes. What is commanded by God? Worship. Everything else was a cult founder Merie… Read more »
If there are no mandatory meetings, Craig, how do you propose to run an effective church? Because no society in human history that was successful failed to have commonly agreed upon meetings. But, apparently, you believe you can create what never was before. Good luck on that. Having a Bible Study is one of the greatest uses of my time I’ve ever had. I learned the most in my life in Stanton Bible classes, and have never come close to learning anything close to it in Bible classes in other churches, which are normally singfests and preachers droning on about… Read more »
Montesquieu, Merie’s cult has mandatory classes. Do you believe they are an effective church? I have no issues with scheduled classes or meetings. Where I attend we have a schedule. What I disagree with is to make that which is not commanded by God mandatory. Merie’s cult is known for their oppression. You miss and you’ll be reproved or possibly rebuked without an acceptable excuse that satisfies the cult leadership. All this as you’ve admitted yourself Montesquieu is a cult that is dying. I say it’s dead. You here what’s taking place in Greenville with the children. Discipline is backfiring… Read more »
Monte- Bill taught his granddaughter that she is more important than a bunch of cult followers. In no wise did Bill put God before his granddaughter because God cannot be found in the Stanton “churches”. Bill did attempt to right the situation with the ‘teachers’ in his congregation. He addressed the fact that WORSHIP is the ONLY commanded assembly. He knew it was going to be a losing battle before going into it because Stanton refuses to be corrected or instructed. He knows that is their greatest fault- as do you Monte. Why are YOU not there fighting to right… Read more »
Sunday is the Lord’s Day, Donna, so missing it for anything save an emergency isn’t a good idea. I go to plenty of churches that have 3 hour meetings on Sunday, and they are all, predictably, dying and fading. If one is lukewarm in serving God, their demise is assured. Lukewarm Christians are even worse than the heathens, prostitutes, thieves, and murderers. At least the latter do it with all their heart. Yes, we agree that Stanton has a hard time hearing, but that doesn’t mean God’s design is to be thrown to the wind. It’s easy to disregard EVERYTHING,… Read more »
The “Lord’s Day” may not actually be Sunday, but the “Day of the Lord,” or “Judgement Day.”
Prove me wrong.
I would like to discuss the concept of ‘going to worship’ on the ‘Lord’s Day’. Worship being used as a noun, a prescribed 2 1/2-3 hour gathering where prayers are said, public confessions are made, songs are sung, communion is partaken of, a money collection is gathered, a sermon is preached by a man who wears a suit and uses a paper Bible – not a tablet; where women are silent, except when they’re not…such as when they make a confession, sing or instruct a child. I have my doubts, my very strong doubts as to whether this is true… Read more »
Stanton’s worship fits in nicely with the New Testament church’s worship, though they have too much emphasis on tiny and meaningless details like the breaking of bread.
However, while many object to the New Testament’s design for Worship, it’s interesting to note what they worship, for whatever we give attention in our lives, we worship. Under the criticism is simply disguised self will, which questions so that it can assert itself above God’s command to love God and our neighbors.
I don’t see public confession in the New Testament, during worship.
Montesquieu, I don’t see public confession as part of worship either. A Merie add on. Public confessions at least in Portland were very entertaining. Talk about straining at gnats. Classes just to talk about public confessions would happen as reminders. It’s really ridiculous how controlled members become to confess publicly some of the things that were confessed.
You are right to have your doubts about Stanton’s definition of a “worship service.” I have an upcoming post about this…
It is indeed Sunday, as when the New Testament refers to the First Day of the Week and Lord’s Day, interchangeably, it’s referring to Sunday.
Largely subjective post.
Speak for yourself. When you cure your ahistoricity, you’ll obtain an objective view at last.
Lazy thinkers never find the truth, but never fail to delight in opposing those who do.
Yes, lazy-you! You didn’t cite any scriptures to support what you claim. Hence, Largely subjective post
If you don’t know the scriptures showing that Sunday is the first day of the week and to be observed as much, you have no business discussing the Bible.
You have two ears and one mouth, so you can listen more than you talk.
The Bible says ‘Seek and ye shall find’.
It never says ‘Demand, and you shall have’.
Wow! Strong words from someone who just told someone else that what they shared was “largely subjective” since they didn’t share any scriptures.
Not everyone here on this site knows which scriptures you are referring to. The Stanton people say the same thing to prove their points-go look it up yourself!
Sounds to me like you don’t know what scriptures so you just tell others they are lazy. I would have thought that you would be glad to share those scriptures, and expound on them. Instead, you make a statement and dismiss Kevin’s article. Hmmmm….
Monte – You said: “If you don’t know the scriptures showing that Sunday is the first day of the week and to be observed as much…” Come on man, you can read my words better than that. Of course Sunday is the first day of the week. My comment, which you have failed to refute, was that “The Lord’s Day” means the first day of the week. The phrase “Lord’s day” is only found once in the Bible, in Revelation 1:10 – I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of… Read more »
Awww Kevin! I was waiting to find out what scripture he was referring to that says that Sunday is the first day of the week!
My point was to get him to think about how he responds to other people’s posts.
Whoops, sorry I ruined that teachable moment! Lol
Just sayin’ you’d be better advised to think about the history you ignore. It would be more profitable for you, rather than serving as a self-appointed arbiter over what responses you deem acceptable or not. Nothing subjective about that. LOL. Kevin, I was responding to the typical insolence and impudence from Just Sayin’ who like tens of millions of proud Americans (including a few elites in Stanton) fancies his opinion, minus any serious research, deserves respect and honor. I’d prefer to avoid semantic arguments. We’ve gone 2,000 years largely agreed on whether Sunday was the Lord’s day, and I’d prefer… Read more »
Monte, let’s bypass Google and go straight to a Bible search for the phrase “Lord’s day.” I’ll even provide a link to it here in your favorite version:
Try it out and let me know what you find. 😉
Monte, I don’t see where ‘just sayin’ is ignoring history. Please explain.
It sounds to me like Bill was not disputing the fact that worship is commanded, but it was the rest of the day that was in question as to what we personally do with our time after worship. Bill was wanting to miss the classes and fellowship AFTER worship. Am I right Donna?
Striped Fish- that is correct.
Donna, I am sooooo glad! Bill must have been having his doubts, and I am so glad that he faced those doubts. And he is fortunate to have you to help him along too, on this new journey he is undertaking! Thank you for sharing the news, keep us updated as to how things are going. And tell Bill he is free to email my Hubby and I, we would love to hear from him! 🙂
I hear angels rejoicing as the chains fall.
The Sirens from the Odyssey had a pleasing voice too.
False equivalency, sir; the Sirens of Odyssey-lore are from Greek mythology, whereas what Kevin described is a metaphorical representation of the celebration we can envision happening in Heaven, as a result of one of the Lord’s sheep being liberated from the shackles and bonds of legalism and man-made oppression. It may be subtle, but it is a significant distinction.
Readers may notice I come under intense attack frequently. This is on purpose, and it’s due to so many being deceived and brainwashed by the media and schools. I cannot claim superiority, since I once was too. Couple that with the fact that modern churches are packed by millions of members also indoctrinated by the media and schools, and truth has a tough time of it. Since so many have no historical or biblical references, they STRONGLY object to ideas that are rooted in history. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it, and that is why… Read more »
Refuting ≠ attacking 🙂
Another subjective opinion. You conveniently ignore that not once was anything refuted that I said, and when it was, which was a fraction of the time, it was admitted.
You ignore the slanderous, nonsensical, and impudent attacks that are commonplace on here.
When you do the math on all ATTACKS upon me, you’ll discover that what you just said has indeed been REFUTED.
And to whoever keeps disliking my comments, Thank you!! Further evidence I’m telling the truth. Would be awful worrisome if my comments were frequently being liked. Stanton used the same reasoning. ‘But Monte, how can you be right, if none of the teachers agree with you, and no one agrees?’. As long as God and my conscience agrees with me, I’m perfectly fine with the disagreement of billions. ‘No man is hated more than he who tells the truth’ Plato ‘And ye shall be hated of all men’ Christ For the lukewarm Christians who always seem to get people to… Read more »
I don’t ignore slander, I attempt to weed it out when I run across it, and it goes against the core philosophy of this site. But remember that this is not a full time job for me, as much as you try to make it one. It literally would be if I tried to respond to every word you write, much less everything other people respond to you. Lol
Love you, brother.
Monte. Yes, people don’t agree with what you write and they attempt to refute your statements, not attacking you personally. Monte, you often attack writers who dare even ask you a simple question. Instead of answering you accuse them of being ahistorical, lazy, unworthy of your answer. You have an ere of superiority that is concerning.
Awesome news Donna!!!