This charade of unity-keeping is performed under the guise of living up to Paul’s instruction in 1 Corinthians 1:10 to “speak the same thing.” But is that anything close to what Paul meant? Is it even possible to all “speak the same thing” in the literal sense that the church currently teaches it?
Please invest some time to hear me out, and better yet, investigate Paul’s complete teaching on unity for yourself. Let’s take a look at the 1 Corinthian passage first:
1 Corinthians 1:9-17 – God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
The problem Paul is addressing
Before we can understand Paul’s solution to the problem at Corinth, we have to understand the problem. As Merie used to say, “If a premise is wrong, every conclusion arrived at must of necessity be wrong.” Amen to that, and it’s safe to say her wisdom in that statement condemns the very formation of the sect she started. But I digress.
The problem in Corinth was that the church was divided up into arguing factions of those who were following Paul, Apollos, Cephas (Peter), and Christ. These factions were bickering in pride over who they were following, and holding up their “patron saint” based in part on who had baptized them. We find out later in chapter 11 that they were even splitting up to participate in the Lord’s supper, with some actually getting drunk on the fruit of the vine, others being full, and still others going hungry.
Notice that even the “Christ-followers” are listed as one of the factions. Wow, that’s pretty telling. Do you understand what that means? Those who correctly shunned the following of mortal men were in this case still guilty of being divisive by insisting “we over here are the only ones following only Christ.” Claimed exclusivity is the linchpin of divisiveness.
The issue was clearly not differences of opinion on whether ladies can wear red lipstick, or blue jeans to Bible class (when in fact, they had no Bible and thus no Bible classes). In fact, it was not a doctrine at all that was dividing them, but a divisive attitude. Thus, even the ones who were correctly following Christ, not Apollos, were still being admonished to “speak the same thing.”
So what did Paul mean, then, by this instruction to “speak the same thing,” and to be “perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same judgment?” Was he implying the Corinthian church needed to get together and discuss (during the month of May, perhaps) exactly who they needed to follow, and then bind that on other believers? No, of course not. It is understood that they were to follow Christ and Christ alone.
The answer: They were to speak the same thing, and be perfectly joined together, and be of the same mind and the same judgment on WHO they followed and WHAT attitude they displayed toward each other.
Unity is about relationship and attitude. We are unified because we are in Christ together (relationship) and because we display humility and patience toward each other in love (attitude). Those are the two issues Paul addressed in verses 11 through 17, which provide the context for this question. We are to follow Christ alone, because “Christ is not divided,” and maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. That means no bickering or factions formed over differing opinions.
I’m happy to provide an honest criticism of not only the Stanton faction of the Church of Christ on the subject of unity, but many mainline Churches of Christ, and other denominations as well. Paul’s teaching clearly means:
- No “paid preacher” vs. “mutual edification” factions
- No “multiple cups” vs. “one-cup” factions
- No “one cup” vs. “one cup with a handle” factions
- No “classes” vs. “no-classes” faction
- No “eating in the building” vs. “no eating in the building” factions
- No “fellowship hall/kitchen” vs. “no fellowship hall/kitchen” factions
- No “instruments” vs. “no instruments” factions <gasp as sacred cow gets slaughtered>
- No “wine” vs. “grape juice” factions
- No “upper room” vs. “any floor” Lord’s supper factions
- No “natural body of water” vs. “baptismal” factions
- No “colleges” vs. “no colleges” factions
Ephesians 4:3 – 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Ephesians 4:1-3 – I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
The opposite of unity is discord, or division. Division is the result of divisiveness, and that is a work of the flesh, not a fruit of the Spirit. It is an attitude, not a doctrinal stance.
- Walk worthy of our calling in Jesus Christ (be Christlike)
- With lowliness and meekness… (be Christlike)
- With longsuffering… (be Christlike)
- Forbearing (being patient with) one another in love. (be Christlike)
When it comes to keeping the “unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace,” Paul assumes we aren’t going to all share the same opinions. That’s why he says unity requires us to be patient and humble toward each other, because we won’t always understand the scriptures the same way. Paul assumes that our consciences are all going to be in different places at any point in time on so many subjects, because, guess what? They are! And they always will be! And that’s to be expected, because all have been given different levels of intellect and maturity in Christ!
Romans 14:4-6 – Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Romans 14:19 – Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Romans 14:22 – So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.
We can see from the above passages that unity requires no church council (May Meeting), or for teachers to get on the phone and confer with one another. Not even about such a “weighty” matter as the keeping of one day in higher esteem than another (holidays). Instead, Paul says in verse 22 to keep your opinions to yourself on it.
Wow. I thought we had to “speak the same” regarding everything from lipstick to clothing, especially something as important as observing special days. You mean Paul encouraged this to be left up to a person’s conscience? How much more the many foolish questions entertained in May Meetings over the past several decades?
Paul goes on in the next chapter to elaborate on this bottom-up idea of unity-through-mutual-forbearance, as opposed to Stanton’s top-down unity-through-authority:
Romans 15:1 – We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves.
The strong ought to be patient with the failings of the weak. That word used for “failings” (infirmity in the KJV) means “error arising from weakness of mind.” It’s a mistake in one’s thinking. So if a person is making a mistake in their thinking, other believers ought to be patient with that person while they grow. Maybe they will never reach the “intellectual and spiritual heights” that you have. But the instruction doesn’t say give them a year or two, and if they still don’t agree with you, withdraw from them.
Romans 15:5-7 – May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Accept one another, then, just as [in the same way that] Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
Paul clearly states that unity is an “attitude of mind” in verses 5 and 6.
Also notice verse 7, that we are to accept one another just as Christ accepted us. Well, how did Christ accept us? Was it admittedly with many errors in our thinking, or did we come into Christ with perfect understanding? Did Christ accept us based on our obedience to the simple gospel message as preached in Acts 2 on Pentecost, or did he require us to have a perfect understanding of all the doctrines of the church (and I would argue, of men)? Whatever standard we believe Christ used to accept us, we better use to accept one another: Accept one another, then, in the same way that Christ accepted you.
Some groups may persist in teaching their mistaken idea (for instance, insisting on one form of preacher support vs. another) for a lifetime, but if they have a spirit of love and forbearance for their brothers who understand the subject differently, I see no problem with maintaining brotherly interaction. It’s when one group insists that it’s their way or the highway that we have a divisive, factional attitude to deal with. Thar self-righteous, exclusive “I’m right and you’re wrong” attitude is exactly what Paul is teaching against in 1 Corinthians 1, Romans 14 and 15, and Ephesians 4.
Conclusions
It is a gross perversion of scripture, and is in fact bordering on authoritarian– and totalitarian-ism to demand unanimity of opinion. Freedom of conscience and church autonomy, not to mention truth, are sacrificed on the altar of unity when unanimity is the idol of our devotion. There is an old saying:
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Opinions can never be genuinely changed either by authoritarian demands or by acquiescence to those demands. Opinions are private property. They can only be changed by arguments (logic) addressed to the reasoning faculties that God gave to each of us. Our capacity to think and reason are a matter of God-given ability, education, and maturity. Since God has given each of us a different intellect, and we each start our journey of faith with a different level of education and maturity, it is foolishness to expect or demand that all Christians be on board with the same opinions at the same time.
That is like a runner dragging the finish line behind him. He can never lose, but everyone else is guaranteed to lose. It is comparing ourselves by ourselves, rather than to the one clear standard, Jesus Christ himself. I recommend to every reader Alexander Campbell’s Parable of the Iron Bedstead below.
The Parable of the Iron Bedstead
by Alexander Campbell
In the days of Abecedarian Popes it was decreed that a good christian just measured three feet, and for the peace and happiness of the church it was ordained that an iron bedstead, with a wheel at one end and a knife at the other, should be placed at the threshold of the church, on which the christians should all be laid. This bedstead was just three feet in the casement on the exactest French scales. Every christian, in those days, was laid on this bedstead; if less than the standard, the wheel and a rope was applied to him to stretch him to it; if he was too tall, the knife was applied to his extremities. In this way they kept the good christians, for nearly a thousand years, all of one stature. Those to whom the knife or the wheel were applied either died in the preparation, or were brought to the saving standard.
One sturdy fellow, called Martin Luther, was born in those days, who grew to the enormous height of four feet: he of course feared the bedstead and the knife, and kept off at a considerable distance deliberating how he might escape. At length he proclaimed that there was a great mistake committed by his ancestors in fixing upon three feet as the proper standard of the stature of a good christian. He made proselytes to his opinions; for many who had been tried on the three-foot bedstead, who were actually four feet, had found a way of contracting themselves to the popular standard. These began to stretch themselves to their natural stature, and Luther had, in a few years, an iron bedstead four feet long, fashioned and fixed in his churches, with the usual appendages. The wheel and the knife soon found something to do in Luther’s church; and it became as irksome to flesh and blood to be stretched by a wheel and rope to four feet, or to be cut down to that stature, as it was to be forced either up or down to the good and sacred three-foot stature. Moreover, men grew much larger after Luther’s time than before, and a considerable proportion of them advanced above his perfect man; insomuch that John Calvin found it expedient to order his iron bedstead to be made six inches longer, with the usual regulating appendages.
The next generation found even Calvin’s measure as unaccommodating as Luther’s; and the Independents, in their greater wisdom and humanity fixed their perfect christian at the enormous stature of five feet. The Baptists at this time began to think of constructing an iron bedstead to be in fashion with their neighbors, but kindly made it six inches longer than the Congregationalists, and dispensed with the knife, thinking that there was likely to be more need for two wheels than one knife, which they accordingly affixed to their apparatus. It was always found, that in the same proportion as the standard was lengthened, christians grew; and now the bedstead is actually proved to be at least six inches too short. It is now expected that six inches will be humanely added; but this will only be following up an evil precedent; for experience has proved, that as soon as the iron bedstead is lengthened, the people will grow apace, and it will be found too short even when extended to six feet. Why not, then, dispense with this piece of popish furniture in the church, and allow christians of every stature to meet at the same fireside and eat at the same table?–The parable is just, and the interpretation thereof easy and sure.
Every attempt at reformation since the rude but masculine efforts of Luther, has been based upon the same principles. He did not like the popish superstructure, notwithstanding he built upon the same foundation. So did all his successors. They all divided the New Testament into two chapters. The title of the one was, the essentials–and the title of the other was the non-essentials. In one party the one chapter, and in another party, the other, is much the larger. Still the volume comprises but two chapters, however disproportioned they may be. Many efforts have been made to reduce the chapter of Essentials into narrower limits; but as it is reduced the other is enlarged, and the old division is kept up.
The book called The Creed contains all the essentials; and as they are there correctly arranged and soundly digested, this book is more the subject of controversy than the Testament, which has the essentials and the non-essentials all jumbled together.
Suppose, then, that a number of churches should agree to throw aside the iron bedstead, and take the book in one chapter, and call it their Creed and Book of Discipline. What then? Oh! says Puritans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, &c. &c. do this. Stop, my friend, not one of them dare trust themselves upon this bottom; they all have their creeds and disciplines to keep them from sinking. What then if an experiment should be made, and a fair trial of the adequacy of the Divine Book should be given; and whenever it fails of the promised end, let any other device be tried. But among all the experiments of this age and country, it is nowhere recorded that such a trial has been made and failed. I am aware of all that can be said on the other side, and still I assert that no such an experiment and result are on record. And, moreover, I do not think it is likely that it shall ever be proved by actual experiment that the New Testament, without a creed [or May Meetings], is insufficient to preserve the unity, peace, and purity of any one congregation, or of those of any given district. But above all, let us have no more iron bedsteads, with or without wheels or knives.
Can the Stanton organization ever rid itself of one of its founding premises, that unity equals unanimity? Faulty premises always bear the fruit of faulty conclusions, as Merie said, and the fruits of this movement make clear there is something wrong with the tree. I don’t know if pride will ever allow the organization to reform itself, but I know individuals always can. True reform always starts in the heart.
I have within the past few years become libertarian politically , and I see how this applies spiritually (in a sense)Why were we all created with a individual DNA , a different fingerprint unlike anyone else unless God knows and works wih us as an individual? He doesn't expect us to think the same and understand the same at the same time or have the same conscience in things. Those that go along with the teaching for the day are not really honest with themselves.Like myself I believed the "church" was the only place to be saved so I overlooked… Read more »
Amen, Loraine. The spirit God gave us will cry out for freedom, and once free, will never allow itself to be enslaved again.
Galatians 5:1-6 – It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. … The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Great article Kevin! To me it seems that the sect just doesn't believe that what Christ did for us is good enough. For decades I never understood what being "spiritual" was; only that it was what the preachers/teachers referred to themselves as and it was something that I was not. I thought it must be some mystical state of being that made one able to see everything evil about others because they possessed a state of holiness so had "spiritual eyes." Many years later I learned the true meaning of what being "spiritual" is and it really shows the simplicity… Read more »
"Does the misapplication of 1 Corinthians 1:10 become more clear now? "No it does not.Kevin, I couldn't count to you the amount of times the church has decided that is something left to an individual conscience. I won't begin to name these judgments because I would add fuel to your fire (in other words, disclose to you more about the Church).You simply have a problem with authority. However, God set authority in the Church for a reason.Have you never considered, did you never see older teachers on totally different pages when it came to May week. That in and of… Read more »
1) I have no problem with authority if it is backed up by Scripture. Period.
2) You are operating under an incorrect definition of what "unity" is. It is not unanimity of opinion. I am not the one telling you you have to go to my church to be saved. My congregation is doing all kinds of awesome things to be unified and avoid factions. I would suggest that the goal of becoming "one mind" on things God never intended you to be "one mind" is the very thing that has led to Stanton's authoritarian rule over individuals' consciences.
Things my congregation does to be unified and avoid factions:
1) Strongly preach the Good News of Jesus Christ (death, burial, resurrection)
2) Strongly preach the Doctrine of Christ (love)
3) Avoid silly questions like eating in a building, wearing nylons on Sunday, bringing baby bottles into the building, women nodding their heads during the Lord's supper, how often married couples should come together, when they should not come together, etc. etc. etc.
I agree with Kevin on the point of having unity and avoiding factions. The best way to avoid factions is not to allow opinions to be a matter of church teaching. The church shouldn't make decisions on subjects that are personal opinion such as nylons, travel, frequency of marital relations, etc. I agree that the church has decided that some things are left to the conscience but why are some things decided by the church that should really be left up to conscience like nylons, travel etc. There is a difference in deciding something and discussing something. Discussing something leaves… Read more »
Have you (the reader) considered that Merie's idea of unity was born from her interest in communism? The consequence of strict adherence to unity, of church judgments/understandings, is loss of personal freedom (liberty). Paul addresses this issue all throughout the book of Galatians. Galatians 5:1- Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and not be entangled again with the yoke of bondage. What is the purpose of this New Testament Law? Galatians 3:19-19, asks, "Why the Law then?" Paul's answer is that the Old Testament Law reveals man's utter sinfulness, inability to save himself and… Read more »
I meant Galatians 3:19-29
This is just my opinion but I think when a discussion at May Week comes to an end it does not necessarily mean everyone is in full agreement, I believe some just would rather 'switch then fight'. If you listen to May Meeting discussions there are really very few people discussing the issues. I wonder, after discussing the topics in their congregation, how many people come to the meeting with a different understanding than the one forwarded by a few people but they don't say anything. I really wonder how many brethren believe the decisions or just follow them so… Read more »
Anon 3:40, you're absolutely right. Their so-called unity is the fallible work of men, as evidenced by their frequent unity on error. If it was the Holy Spirit producing the unity, he would have guided them into all truth.
43 The priest must examine him, and if he finds swelling around the reddish white sore anywhere on the man’s head and it looks like a skin disease,
44 the man is indeed infected with a skin disease and is unclean. The priest must pronounce him ceremonially unclean because of the sore on his head.
45 “Those who suffer from a serious skin disease must tear their clothing and leave their hair uncombed. They must cover their mouth and call out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’
46 As long as the serious disease lasts, they will be ceremonially unclean. They must live in isolation in their place outside the camp.
47 “Now suppose mildew[d] contaminates some woolen or linen clothing,
48 woolen or linen fabric, the hide of an animal, or anything made of leather.
49 If the contaminated area in the clothing, the animal hide, the fabric, or the leather article has turned greenish or reddish, it is contaminated with mildew and must be shown to the priest.
50 After examining the affected spot, the priest will put the article in quarantine for seven days.
51 On the seventh day the priest must inspect it again. If the contaminated area has spread, the clothing or fabric or leather is clearly contaminated by a serious mildew and is ceremonially unclean.
52 The priest must burn the item—the clothing, the woolen or linen fabric, or piece of leather—for it has been contaminated by a serious mildew. It must be completely destroyed by fire.
53 “But if the priest examines it and finds that the contaminated area has not spread in the clothing, the fabric, or the leather,
54 the priest will order the object to be washed and then quarantined for seven more days.
55 Then the priest must examine the object again. If he finds that the contaminated area has not changed color after being washed, even if it did not spread, the object is defiled. It must be completely burned up, whether the contaminated spot[e] is on the inside or outside.
56 But if the priest examines it and finds that the contaminated area has faded after being washed, he must cut the spot from the clothing, the fabric, or the leather.
57 If the spot later reappears on the clothing, the fabric, or the leather article, the mildew is clearly spreading, and the contaminated object must be burned up.
58 But if the spot disappears from the clothing, the fabric, or the leather article after it has been washed, it must be washed again; then it will be ceremonially clean.
59 “These are the instructions for dealing with mildew that contaminates woolen or linen clothing or fabric or anything made of leather. This is how the priest will determine whether these items are ceremonially clean or unclean.”
And the Lord said to Moses, 2 “The following instructions are for those seeking ceremonial purification from a skin disease.[a] Those who have been healed must be brought to the priest,
3 who will examine them at a place outside the camp. If the priest finds that someone has been healed of a serious skin disease,
4 he will perform a purification ceremony, using two live birds that are ceremonially clean, a stick of cedar,[b] some scarlet yarn, and a hyssop branch.
5 The priest will order that one bird be slaughtered over a clay pot filled with fresh water.
6 He will take the live bird, the cedar stick, the scarlet yarn, and the hyssop branch, and dip them into the blood of the bird that was slaughtered over the fresh water.
“Being ignorant is not so much a shame as being unwilling to learn.” Benjamin Franklin “Ignore those who cling to ignorance, but stand close to those who seek knowledge.” Unknown “It is not shame to be wrong, but it is shame to stay wrong when corrected.” Molière “Ignorance is often the mother of cruelty.” Charles Dickens The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about. Good morning, we have a champion of ignorance hard at work on the website. You have to admire the tenacity they savagely fight for their ignorance. Too bad they don’t use that knowledge… Read more »
It’s a disturbing phenomenon in America when we have millions who don’t understand the First Amendment. We have a few of them on here, who clearly frequently demonstrate they don’t understand history, the Bible, free speech, the Constitution, or the First Amendment, but that doesn’t bother them at all. Instead of trying to educate themselves on these topics, they aren’t interested furiously trying to silence those of us who do tell the truth. We have one who thinks you win debates by posting 20+ verses from Leviticus in order to rid the website of ideas they know are true and… Read more »
It’s a disturbing phenomenon in America when we have white supremacist hate mongers who don’t understand the meaning of anything.
Poor woman. You’re badly deceived. Using emotional buzzwords you don’t understand. Just like Merie, who deceived herself into thinking teaching men publicly is quote alright. It’s actually not. If you believe something, prove it. Don’t wildly fling out meaningless words that were designed to manipulate women’s emotions which didn’t exist a little over a century ago. Hint: Study Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt School. Their critical race theories are at the root of your temper tantrum. It is their ideology that has you deceived, and yet you think you are obeying God and the Bible. Also, Franz Boas, a Jew,… Read more »
Somehow, you are okay with calling me a Loxist hate-monger and it’s not okay for me to call you a racist hate-monger. Very interesting and ridiculous. See how this works?
Round and round, you don’t answer questions, you hate critical thinking, but your emotions have you going 100 MPH.
You don’t hear “Loxist” in the media, but you hear “racist.”
Why?
You haven’t used Loxist once in your life, but you’ve used “racist,” dozens of times just on here.
Why is that?
Disturbing to watch racist ignorant adults with brains act like kindergarteners.
Is it possible you can manage to post a clearly reasoned comment without your flood of Leviticus verses and which contains facts that convince and persuade, without your usual Communist buzzwords, like “racist, hater, bigot, and antisemite?” Leviticus has 859 verses. You’re on Leviticus 14:5, so you’ve posted a little under half of the verses, 371. Other than make yourself appear colossally ignorant to every reasoning person, you haven’t persuaded anyone of anything. The Bible wasn’t created to be used as nonsense speech to drown people out whose ideas you don’t understand, and you are demonstrating why God told women… Read more »
Glad you can do math Racist Blabbermouth. I’m impressed beyond words.
You’re impressing everyone.
Like an animal, only capable of name-calling, and devoid of serious research.
Keep hiding, ignoramus.
Ignorance cowers.
You’re like a woman, too afraid to publicly state your beliefs and defend them.
Too bad you weren’t taught as a child to not speak when you haven’t carefully researched.
A hard lesson for a grown man to learn, and some men never do.
Oh, now ignoramus is okay, but racist isn’t. I couldn’t care less about what names you call me but go ahead and show your hypocrisy Mr. Racist hate-monger.
What do we call people who don’t read books on topics, refuse to use facts to defend their positions, but who emotionally and savagely attack facts they don’t understand? Solomon called them fools. You have a problem with misunderstanding ideas and attacking before seeking to understand. You come on a website, refuse to consider you might be wrong, and fill it up with your CNN terminology. I don’t have a television because I don’t want to hear the constant propaganda, but, people like you, unwitting dupes, bring the brainwashing wherever you go. Why don’t you try honesty? You aren’t honest,… Read more »
Those who have been conditioned to believe lies will not often work tirelessly to convince others to believe their lies.
Some have a severe problem with cognitive dissonance, and their entire world comes under attack when they hear facts they’ve never been exposed to.
Is it loving to tell people lies, or to tell them the disagreeable truth?
“And the truth shall make you free.”
Christ
Truth is a precious commodity which few pursue and many are angered by.
The ‘truth’ which you embrace is your made-up and warped idea and you only claim what you believe is the truth, you don’t prove it. You can’t. Your ideas certainly aren’t original, and you are a puppet of the fringe conspiracy theorists who prey on sheep like you. Yes, that’s why you, Ryan, get angered and name-call when I speak against your so-called ‘truth’. SAYING you speak the truth means nothing and doesn’t prove you speak the truth. Your words are just your warped opinion and warped conclusions. You are deceived to assume you have come to correct conclusions and… Read more »
The word “objective” meaning something that is true for all times, for all people, and in all circumstances is one that you don’t use. So while you viciously attack the objective truth, you don’t understand that truth is rarely contained in our life experiences, which is subjective truth. To compensate for your lack of knowledge, you viciously attack with emotions what you don’t comprehend. Are you going to answer any questions anytime, or will you keep stamping your feet and name-calling? It’s quite juvenile. Where did the word “conspiracy theorist” come from? It didn’t exist prior to 1960. Notice how… Read more »
Who cares what the Holocaust was called. That makes absolutely no difference when it comes to its atrocities. Eisenhower was appalled and you know it.
And as for your ignorant assumptions, I have probably watched 10 minutes of CNN too many years ago to even remember. Guess what, little deceived one, I don’t own a television. Remember where and what you were raised in. It’s not rocket science.
Eisenhower, Churchill, and De Gaulle didn’t mention the Holocaust in their memoirs. How did that happen? Why did Patton say “We fought the wrong enemy,” right before he mysteriously died? What happened to Secretary of Defense Forrestal with his mysterious “suicide” after he recognized the Jews were behind World War 2? I highly recommend the book by Arthur Butz, “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.” Two sides of every story. Unlikely you ever heard Germany’s side. So where do you get your news from, if not CNN? Who pays for it and controls it? You have strong opinions, but don’t… Read more »
So deep is your deception, though I’ve never said anything about harming anyone, and though your rhetoric is the most inflamed and full of invective, you are honestly convinced the Holocaust happened exactly the way the Jewish media told you it did, never mind they’ve been lying for over a century. And, you now have it in your mind that telling the truth is “antisemitic,” and indicates a desire to do a Holocaust, which is preposterous. You can’t get a single comment out without your emotions hijacking your reason. Your behavior on here, especially your expressed inability to reason is… Read more »
Here we go, another Holocaust denial. At least you didn’t deny it entirely like some wackos. Credit given and a brownie point for good measure. Whether or not the number of deaths don’t match up, the Holocaust happened and it happened because of hateful, ignorant, prejudiced propaganda similar to the garbage that you have been deceived into believing. Men did the unthinkable to other men and you are spreading dangerous and similar propaganda.
How did you come out of Stanton, yet you are so deceived by the same Jewish media that 2,000 years ago put Christ to death? Ever wonder how all the chaos and riots happened in the NT under Jews? It’s because they deceive men like you, and many are willing to riot over the Jew lies they believe. You may be peaceful, but there are millions of Americans who are perfectly willing to burn down cities over “racism.” What book on World War 2 have you ever read? Have you ever read a book on both sides? Which ones? It… Read more »
Hahahah, you assume LL and I are the same people!! Time for a tune-up!!
It’s difficult to identify cowardly and hateful people who love ignorance. You’re too terrified of being identified.
The wicked flee when no one pursues.
Now hateful is okay! Great Mr. Hateful racist!
I’m terrified, I’m shaking in my boots, I am sooooo scared. I am right here with you.
So I post the statistics on Black crime, and what’s your predictable response?
“That’s so racist!”
Shut down the conversation with intimidation tactics.
Mao would be proud of you.
Hitler would be proud of you.
Name one book on World War 2 you’ve read.
Who were the two leading communists put to death in Germany in 1920?
Hint: First names were Rosa and Karl.
Watch “Europa, the Final Battle.”
It’s banned on YouTube, so normies never see it.
What event started World War 2 in September of 1939?
One of us is operating on feelings, one is operating on facts.
All the same, I wish you’d learn a devotion to truth you don’t have. It’s not harmful, what’s harmful is our response to it. My friends are those who love truth, which is why you and I don’t get along. You are content with distortions and perversions of truth which make you feel good about yourself. All the same, your performance teaches the wise, for the wise learn from the foolish, though the foolish refuse to learn from the wise. You can be wise if you learn to control your emotions, but you have to desire that before you acquire… Read more »
The Bible was created to be used as to drown people out whose ideas, like Ryan’s, are ignorant and unbiblical.
What’s unbiblical about following the law, that people didn’t move to America if they weren’t White from 1776-1965?
Oh, sure Racist-man, sure. I guess because white men made laws in 1776, God was in favor of them, and we should obey them even though, thankfully, they no longer exist. I suppose you assume God had a hand in making America for white Christians and that’s why the law was established. You’re full of hateful ignorance. God is not on the side of hate and prejudice against his creation in 2025. There is no excuse for your ignorance.
Why was the law that only Whites can move to America from 1776-1965? Who changed that law and why? You keep talking about 2025 as if human nature changes, but it never does. Since you don’t study history, you are badly unaware of its lessons, You aren’t on here to learn. In your mind, you don’t need to research or read anything, your emotional opinions fed to you by the Jewish media and schools is the gospel, and anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a “racist.” You just got done saying you love me, yet you refuse to listen… Read more »
Before Leviticus Jezebel came here, and the Cultural Marxist hollering communist propaganda, this site was getting 200-300 views daily.
Thanks to your gross ignorance, which is a wonderful teacher, the views have shot up to 800-1,000 daily.
You’ve only attracted more attention.
I don’t do this for views: I do it to counteract the massive brainwashing that the average man is exposed to. The truth cannot be told enough, as a lie gets around the world before the truth has time to put its pants on.
I don’t do this for views: I do it to counteract the massive brainwashing that the supremely ignorant white supremist posts
Are you deaf?
You were asked numerous times to define “White Supremacy.”
Exactly what is that to you, since it didn’t exist as a term before 1900, prior to the agenda to exterminate Whites, which you are ignorantly promoting, began.
This is why you stay ignorant, you hate to think.
I don’t obey orders from you, Ryan.
But do you obey God, who told you not to answer matters you haven’t researched?
I simply ask questions. You don’t respond to questions at all, can’t have a conversation with someone when you refuse to consider ideas you dislike.
How will you ever learn if you keep name-calling and dismissing information you emotionally are allergic to?
All these names, and yet you have no definition for any of them.
I don’t like what you say so you’re a “racist.”
So childish.
Are you deaf? You know the definition of White Supremacy and if you don’t you can most likely figure it out. Do you hate to think? May I suggest you purchase a more current dictionary so you can understand 2025 English.
What’s the definition of “White Supremacism?”
Anything you don’t like coming from a White person, is that it?
Let’s define our terms.
Nah, your vocabulary doesn’t impress me. That’s why you keep repeating the same words, you aren’t used to exercising your mind.
The modern dictionaries are trash.
1828 Webster’s is better than any dictionary written in the last century IMHO.
Besides your emotional explosions where you keep repeating words you can’t define, do you have any ideas you’d like grown adults to consider?
Grown adults understand racism, prejudice, bigotry and segregation. They don’t need to consult a dictionary and make ridiculous arguments over definitions of words that Ryan doesn’t like.
Do you? Talking with you is like watching CNN. Predictable and full of left wing propaganda. I bring up ideas you don’t research, like the “Kalergi Plan,” and you don’t respond to basic questions, The questions are to guide you to truth, but you refuse to answer them, as you enter believing you already know everything you need to know, and are unwilling to consider any new information. You dislike Hitler? What happened at the Katyn Forest Massacre? How many died under Communism? How many under the alleged “Holocaust?” What is the Holodomor? How come you’ve never heard of the… Read more »
You’re hollering White Supremacist propaganda Mr. Racist.
Too bad you don’t approve of Bible verses which speak truth. A welcome change from your garbage. Keep it up Lady Leviticus!! Two thumbs up!!
I hated gangs as a kid. And I do now too. It was always weak and cowardly to hide and gang up on others. And I’ll never submit to the bullying of people who love ignorance and hate truth. Loud mouths, no substance. Men and women who love ignorance and folly, and hate to have their brainwashing exposed. They claim the Bible supports them, it doesn’t. Just as Satan quoted scripture, so do they. Little do they suspect that Communists in South America, I met a pastor from Honduras, began by being invited to a Bible Class. Intellectual dwarfs who… Read more »
I’ll never submit to the bullying of people who hate truth like you hate truth Ryan.
I don’t have a magic internet-gender-race-scope like you, Ryan, and I’m not ignorantly predjudice like you either, but I think there might be a link to the posting of Leviticus and the fact that Leviticus was written to your favorite people! A theory of mine, not a fact, because I don’t have the ability to use your magical scope.
Are these stats true, or are they “racist?” Love involves truth. Millions of good Black people, but this a problem that needs to be fixed, and it has nothing to do with economics, “racism,” “White Supremacy,” or any of the the other lies put out by the Jewish media daily. It’s pretty sick for Jews to destroy the Black family, then blame the resulting dysfunction on Whites. 12.1% of the U.S population(Gov. Census) 84% of which are unable to read effectively, or able to do math by the age of 17. (NAEP) 55.7% refuse to work full time, and maintain… Read more »
Yes, you FINALLY said something worth repeating. You said, “Millions of good Black people”. Thank you for coming to a decent conclusion for once. Just like there are decent people of all genders, races, AND ethnic groups. Even Italians, Ryan, even Italians have millions of decent people so that’s why I am not hating on all Italians just because one, YOU, are ignorant and full of hate and happen to be Italian.
That’s your problem for concluding without questioning. Had you taken the time to investigate before exploding, and asked, “Do you think all Black people are problematic,” you’d have saved yourself a lot of stress. There are thousands of comments on here, and I’ve made it very clear there are wise and virtuous people of all races, but there are differences between the races and there is more peace when the races live among their own. If you have a problem with that, it’s how millions of Americans choose to live voluntarily. It’s in Stanton too, you see those having common… Read more »
You have been trained to hate, RACIST.
You’re ignorantly prejudiced against facts you don’t like.
Jesus nailed the ceremonial law, to the cross, not the moral law.
It’s ironic that a woman is posting Leviticus who is deceived by the same Jewish Pharisees that put Christ to death.
Read Matt 23. That’s way more “antisemitic” than anything I’ve ever said.
Read the Bible and learn Mr. Racist. Sorry to burst your ignorant bubble but it’s not your turn to decide which book Lady Leviticus shares with you. Keep it up LL!!!
Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance so well. You were asked questions, that means you respond to the question, you don’t ignore it and post the five or so words that make up your vocabulary. You’re so unused to thinking, it doesn’t appear likely you understand critical thinking. Try to learn words besides your usual Cultural Marxist dogma, “racist, White Supremacist, bigot.” Maybe get a dictionary. That will expand your vocabulary. You are are one of the biggest haters on here, but have the nerve to call me “hateful” A hateful person does not consider ideas from people they hate.… Read more »
I love you, Ryan. I am spewing out rhetoric exactly the way you spew your rhetoric toward people of different color, ethnicity, gender, AND anyone who disagrees with you. You lump non-whites and Jews together as evil scum and you assume all white males are wonderful. You want to live a life in some archaic, segregated dreamworld of your evil imagination, living with only the precious white people you idolize, as if you all are superior to other people simply because you’re white. Before signing up to live in your imagined utopia, I suggest you make sure they approve of… Read more »
You can’t have love without truth, that’s what you don’t understand. The two are synonymous. You are long on emotion, short on facts. You’ve never learned to dispassionately examine ideas without emotion, which is what you learned in Stanton, it’s the root of the error of women teaching. Because your thinking is dominated by your emotions, instead of your reason guiding your emotions, you come up with unsubstantiated charges such as “ You lump non-whites and Jews together as evil scum and you assume all white males are wonderful.” I’ve stated many times that there are good and bad people… Read more »
Why is it you repeat the Jewish buzzwords and cannot confront ideas without resorting to “KKK, Racist, White Supremacist?” It’s because you’ve been trained like Pavlov’s Dogs. Anything that is critical of non-Whites you respond to the indoctrination that every major media source today is full of. You feel good about yourself, because you were programmed to do this. You’re using a straw man logical fallacy, as you are attacking me for being associated with the KKK, when I’ve never been associated with them at all. But, this is how your mind works, any criticism of non-Whites, “Racist, White Supremacism,… Read more »
America was started on Greek and Roman ideals. Italians are Roman.
Sure, there was persecution of many immigrant groups, even Whites.
But you are wildly off topic, as you are comparing abuse and mistreatment of Italians and saying that I’m advocating that for non-Whites. Your thinking is not logical.
Who told you I’m a hero to Hate Groups? The Jewish media? And you believe them while they lie to you, but you won’t believe me when I tell you the truth?
Your opinion is rooted in your emotions,
When you emerge from them, you’ll view the world differently.
You tell me you love me while you refuse to listen or consider anything I say and you libel me with terms that people get killed for.
That’s a strange kind of love.
I’ve laid out ideas and I’ve referenced hundreds of books, which you refuse to consider, and yet you say you respect and love me?
Do you understand what love is?
Do you realize truth comes with love, because your love does not have room for ideas you aren’t familiar with.
You call it “hate,” and attack it.
Men and women, like Ryan, who ascribe to racist ideology and hate, who love ignorance and folly, and hate to have their brainwashing exposed are posting on this site and infiltrating it with putrid garbage.
So close.
You almost got an entire comment out without it being hijacked with your cultural Marxist buzzwords like “racist.”
Unreasoning hatred on display.
You just use different words Ryan, with the same effect and flame. You love your words, are proud of using them and think they are harmless. You’re deceived.
Ok, Mr, I don’t support mg opinions with any facts or research, but you’re a racist if you don’t like my ideas.
It sickens me that you will praise a talk given by Stuart Russell, a black man, but wouldn’t want to live next door to him because of his color. You want to live with white people only. Go march down to Kensington Street in Philadelphia and learn a few things about humanity, not black, white, Asian, male, female, but HUMANITY. I wonder what all those white people are doing down there. Oh, you’ll probably say it’s the fault of the Jews and Blacks. You have it all figured out. Shame on you for advocating that races be put into their… Read more »
Appeal to anecdote; logical fallacy. Why can’t we find the crime statistics for any major city in America by race? Too many questions you can’t answer, so you are resorting to logical fallacies to defend your position. Was America 90% White in 1960? What was the Hart Cellar Act of 1965? How has America’s White population shrunk from 90% in 1960 to 57% today? You think that happened accidentally? What is the Kalergi Plan? God put the races in countries by race. Is God a racist? You’re on here demonstrating why the races cannot coexist, you are emotionally railing at… Read more »
There is a fornication problem, not a black problem. You failed to mention the statistics about the rise of white out-of-wedlock births. How ignorant to place the blame on race and neglect the other variables such as abortion and use of birth control, the decline of ‘shotgun weddings’ and the changes in social acceptance of single parenthood. You use cherry-picked statistics.
Sure, America has a sin problem, not a skin problem. But, that doesn’t take away from the fact that as America has grown less White it’s safety, education, and peace has decreased as well. And how did fornication get to be such an issue in the Black community? It wasn’t in 1940. Out of wedlock births for all races was 3% in 1940. It’s now 40%. But by far; the biggest contributor is the Black community. No other race comes close to the 75% figure for illegitimacy. It began with the “Civil Rights” movement in the 1960’s. This is how… Read more »
Do you wish that America was still segregated and that black people should continue living like they lived before the civil rights movement? You just threw Stuart under the white supremacist bus.
You ignore factual questions, but then you post your emotionally loaded questions.
Who was behind integration?
It wasn’t Black and White leaders.
Were Black and White children performing better before or after integration?
You strongly believe (are deceived) that criticism is a terrible thing, and that Whites who wish to live in a White nation that is 90% White will mistreat non-Whites.
If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, you’d get a Gold Medal.
Said the guy with the magic looking glass, knower of all things invisible.
Ryan said: ‘You strongly believe (are deceived) that criticism is a terrible thing, and that Whites who wish to live in a White nation that is 90% White will mistreat non-Whites.’
I said: Oh great mind-reader, please, tell me more lies about what I believe. I’m curious to know.
First, let’s ensure you know basic history, so we can be sure you are considering that when you are judging.
What event started World War 2 in September of 1939?
Once you learn history, you’ll be a “Mind-reader” and a sort of prophet too, as those who look most deeply into the last can see most clearly into the future.
I’m asking questions so you can find the truth yourself.
But it doesn’t seem like you understand basic history,
News flash Ryan, you don’t have the privilege of dictating what questions I ask, how I ask them or whether I answer your questions. You seem to think I must obey you and follow your silly little rules.
Do you understand how a conversation works?
It’s an exchange of information.
One person speaks, states facts, and asks questions, and the other responds with relevant information and questions.
It is NOT evading all questions and repeating your strongly held beliefs.
You keep refusing to answer questions because you are happy with your world view and dislike threats to it.
If you had the truth, you would fear no facts.
Summary of recent conversation. Fact: America was created by White men for their White posterity. Fact: America was 90% White in 1960. Fact: The 1965 Hart Cellar act was promoted by Jew Emmanuel Cellar in NY, opening the doors to non-White immigration for the first time in American history. Americans were promised it wouldn’t affect their demographics, that was totally false. It was pushed by Jews not because they loved other races, but because they wanted to exploit cheap labor from non-White countries while simultaneously weakening America by mixing its White majority out of existence. Fact: The Jewish media sensationalizes… Read more »
Jewish owned NY Times doing an article by Jewish congressman Jacob Javits in 1951, urging America to bring in 10,000,000 immigrants. Jews didn’t care about immigrants; they wanted cheap labor and to destroy the White majority. Excerpt included: “THE wealth of America is its people. We are a conglomerate nation that has drawn upon every race and breed of man on the face of the earth. Out of their diverse talents and traditions we have distilled something that is unique and, to us, priceless the American character. That character, impossible to define or to dissect with clarity, has made us… Read more »
Jews accuse others of racism a lot. As a matter of fact, it’s interesting that the race that is most race conscious, and which has insisted on racial tribalism for thousands of years invented the word ‘Racism.’ So, I’m looking into thousands of books which are not in local libraries or on Amazon 99% of the time, which explains why we get outraged outbursts from the gentleman who has had a blowup on here with a woman posting Leviticus for the past few weeks, and what do I find? There’s a book on Archive, which is one of the best… Read more »
From 1776 to 1965, you could not come to America unless you were White. Sure, there was discrimination against Whites who came here from Germany, Italy, and the Slavic countries, but they all generally had the same culture. Virtually the entire White Earth was ruled by Rome until it collapsed when the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453. Well, the conniving Jews ended that with the 1965 Hart-Cellar Act, which allowed non-Whites to move to America for the first time. Sure, all races have good and bad people, but why did Americans only let Whites in until 1965? Because they recognized egalitarianism was a lie. There… Read more »
If only white people were allowed to come to America circa 1776 to 1965 then where did all the black slaves come from? Did the blacks just magically appear? Where did all the native Americans come from? Your attempt to feel superior in racial matters reveals that you have an inferior complex and are trying, in vain, to prove to yourself that you are superior in some way to others and thus you will be safe from persecution, but you’re not superior, not in race, not in finances, and certainly not in intelligence.
Who told you about the Black slaves? Did they tell you they were sold into slavery by their fellow Blacks in Africa? Did they tell you there is still Black slavery in Africa today? Did they tell you that Israel’s is the human trafficking hub of the earth today? Did they tell you that 75% of the slave ships were owned by Jews? Did they tell you about the book, “Who brought the slaves to America, Slavery and the Jews,” by Walter White? Did they tell you the Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans were committing human sacrifice, were very sexually promiscuous,… Read more »