With some of the more bizarre doctrines of the church, you have to laugh a little or you’d cry. Please don’t misunderstand this post to be about poking fun or mocking in any way. I assure you that I’m doing no such thing, and everything written here is written in love, and with the intent to enlighten and edify.
Can someone hold some wacky opinions and still fit into the paradigm of love under the New Covenant? Yes, no doubt. But elevating men and women to the status of being more revered and spiritual than anyone else just makes wacky opinions more likely. The thinking cap tends to get hung up on the rack gathering dust.
Let me just admit here that there are a number of doctrines I once held myself that I now consider to be a little wacky. I am not laughing at those who hold seemingly odd doctrines, because I am not immune to believing odd things from time to time myself. I am pretty sure some of you think my beliefs right now to be fairly odd. 🙂
So with what is hopefully a tasteful balance between the seriousness of the subject and the oddness of it all, it’s my hope that taking a step back and looking at some of the more unconventional doctrines that have been taught over the years will help to solidify in someone’s mind that the church has embraced teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
“Dinosaurs never existed”
Let’s dive right into the subject of dinosaurs, and stipulate what we can agree on:
- The earth is not millions of years old
- Neither man nor animal evolved from one species to another
- We don’t know what the soft tissure of most dinosaurs looked like
- Some authors and illustrators have taken liberties with the appearance of dinosaurs
Now let’s establish clearly what I believe is a little bizarre: the church, from Merie’s earliest teachings, claims that dinosaurs never existed. That’s right. All the skeletons and fossils we’ve seen and touched are part of one big conspiracy.
My son volunteers for a fledgling Christian museum that actually owns numerous complete dinosaur skeletons and bones of various sizes, including a tibia that is about four feet long. I’ve seen it and touched it myself. It is foolishness to deny the existence of dinosaurs, which I believe God created on the same day as all the other animals.
Denying the existence of dinosaurs merely because the “millions of years” timeline asserted by paleontologists is wildly incorrect makes no sense whatsoever. It’s akin to the Catholic church arguing with Galileo about the world being spherical based on a few out-of-context verses. As Christians, we cannot accept everything the scientific establishment tries to shove down our throats, because modern science is full of political and ideological bias nowadays, but that doesn’t mean we should bury our heads in the sand and ignore solid science about the world we live in. We have to think critically…both about science and our own assumptions about what the Bible teaches.
There are entire Christian organizations of published scientists who believe as we do that the earth was created by God a relatively short 6 to 10,000 years ago, not millions of years ago. They still acknowledge the undeniable existence of dinosaurs as should all thinking people. There are great resources for children and adults to learn more about dinosaurs from a Biblical perspective.
So where did the dinosaurs go? I think humans hunted them and killed them to protect their families and villages, and whatever they didn’t kill off, the flood took care of. In fact, most of the fossil record is likely from the great flood. Soft tissue animals like the jellyfish in Wisconsin could not have been buried over thousands or millions of years, because they would have rotted before becoming fossilized. No, they were buried instantly in a catastrophic mudslide; i.e. Noah’s flood.
“Mankind never landed on the moon”
Let me make an educated guess on something. I think Merie probably predicted in the 60’s that man would never land on the moon. When it happened in 1969, she had to cast doubt on it. Her bizarre belief that man would never reach the moon was apparently based on a faulty exegesis of this passage from Paul’s speech on Mars Hill:
Acts 17:26 – And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.
This is a clear example illustrating why we can’t take someone’s words and read into them meanings that they never intended.
I could be wrong about Merie making a prediction of a failed moon landing, but I know she was actively teaching in the 50’s and 60’s. I would find it strange if she hadn’t predicted a moon landing failure, if that’s what she believed the verse meant. Either way, several sources have confirmed that Merie did indeed teach in the 70’s that man “probably” never landed on the moon, and that the whole thing was likely one big hoax.
The odd part of this is that I remember clearly my parents being glued to the TV on a rebroadcast of the moon landing. (I thought at the time it was a live broadcast, but in retrospect, since I was only one when the moon landing occurred, I’m assuming it was an anniversary special.) I don’t even recall any negative comments about it being suspicious.
So what does that passage in Acts really mean? That requires us to look more at the context, and I think it will also help to shed the King’s grammar for a moment:
Acts 17:24-28 – “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.'”
Basically, Paul is addressing a group of pagans who had an altar to the “Unknown God” (in case they had forgotten one in their pantheon of deities). He is making the point that the true God, the Creator, made the world and everything in it. He created the nations from one man, Adam, and oversaw the whole of human history, including when certain nations would rise to power, and what nations they would conquer. He was clearly not giving us a science lesson on whether man will ever land on the moon or not. Can we agree on that?
A word about Merie’s “special insight”
Merie believed she was more spiritual than her followers, and as such, had “special insight” that the rest did not have. She did believe her followers would “advance” beyond her eventually. Let me stipulate here that I haven’t heard any evidence that she claimed direct inspiration or a vision of any sort. But she didn’t have to. She built up the trust of her followers that she had information or spiritual insight they didn’t. That was enough.
Several who were around at the time have reported that her words in response to questions about why she believed something so strongly were something to the effect of “you wouldn’t believe it if I told you,” or “you couldn’t handle it.” Even stopping short of claiming visions from God after the manner of Ellen G. White or Mary Baker Eddie, we can see in hindsight that this claimed “special insight” was destructive to the movement she started. It created a dependency among her followers, and an undying trust in a fallible person that is hard to sever, even to this day. No doubt, her claim of deep spiritual wisdom is one of the reasons the above strange doctrines were accepted so easily by her followers.
Merie also taught that test tube babies were in no way possible.
The moon landing conspiracy theory always cracks me up because I have two relatives who worked on the Apollo(s). There were literally hundreds and hundreds of scientists and aeronautical engineers who worked on the project from different agencies/companies for years. Go check out NASA's website, they have tons of documents about it and there are still people alive today who took a part in its production. So there is written documentation, visual documentation as well as hundreds of witnesses to its successes and failures (both alive and passed on).
I know. It's silly. My father-in-law's entire career was working on the Apollo space program as an electrical engineer. I would like to know how recently this opinion has been taught. Did it die with Merie, or did anyone take up the banner?
To my knowledge Merie did not deny the moon landing. She only suggested it could have been staged. The conspiracy was floated because it didn't square with her understanding of key scriptures Kevin already cited (above). What is important here is not the veracity of a moon landing. The most important issue is a specific method: a person in control who impresses her own opinions and theories upon followers, without evidence or proof. This is a common problem with charismatic teachers: they latch on to unsuspecting, typically young, vulnerable acolytes who will be swayed from a rational, cognitive process to… Read more »
Precisely Anonymous 4:46, well said.
Anonymous 4:46 – Totally true about this sect and also very sad.
I wonder. Do you think the churches that followed Paul's teaching in 1 Timothy 5:20-them that sin rebuke before all that others also may fear….or also Paul's exhortation to withdraw fellowship from those who fornicate, who are covetous,or extortioners, or idolaters, railer, drunkard or extortioner, do you think they also would come under your condemnation? Those who sow discord among the brethren are those who will not become united in belief. If you don't agree with the stanton churches simply don't sit with them trying to let your contrary voice be heard. And again, to restate, the test tube babies,… Read more »
I was once in your church and people were being rebuked by Michael Leman for being "too bundled up in blankets", "wrapped up as if they were in sleeping bags", and "what would visitors think?".
Where is the sin in wrapping in a blanket? The "church" building has a giant garage door and inadequate heat source for winter in Alaska.
Do you think that is what Paul was talking about? Is that the kind of rebuke you are trying to protect?? Yes, let's be fair here.
Anon 12:48 – You've pulled that verse out of context: 1 Ti 5:19-20 – Against ***an elder*** receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. Leaders in the church who sin are definitely to be called out publicly. But 99% of the things that people get rebuked for in your church are not sin. And I don't know what makes you think I disagree with booting unrepentant immoral people out of the congregation, exactly as Paul instructs. I believe that wholeheartedly. Again, 99% of the things Stanton… Read more »
I totally agree with rebuking for "sin." The whole problem that permeates this sect lies in rebuking for a multitude of things continuously that ARE NOT SIN before God and cannot be found anywhere in the bible! Also, the methods used to rebuke which are rooted in evil surmising in order to publicly rebuke and shame congregants and attack people "just in case" they sinned or as is usually the case, to attack someone who didn't measure up to some standard or rule that you can't even find in the bible! It's abusive and how can anyone call themselves righteous… Read more »
Growing up in the church I remember not being able to participate in anything with or about dinosaurs in school. We were taught it was all made up. I remember my mother saying that they never landed on the moon as well. She believed they taped it out in a desert somewhere. She wasn't as against the moon landing though as we were still able to learn about it and participate in 'moon activities' I am now in my twenties.
That is fascinating!
I had never heard any objections to the moon landing. Since you're in your twenties, that teaching obviously continued on after Merie's death. I just never caught wind of it for some reason. Do you mind sharing what part of the country you were in? If not, I'll understand, I just wonder if different teachers made a bigger deal about it than others.
My mom was older and a big Marie follower. We were raised by much of Marie's 'doctrine' despite what current teachers taught.
Merie wasn't the only conspiracy theorist. Again, her intent was to protect the Bible, but instead of the Bible protecting itself, she suggested a theory to protect her opinions. As many are now aware, Merie's opinions were influenced by a bygone era, when all Americans played baseball, ate apple pie and women wore proper zippers on the side of their pants. In 1977 a movie came out about a faked mission to Mars. The NASA Mars mission won't work, and its funding is endangered, so they decide to fake it just this once. But then they have to keep the… Read more »
I'm aware of modern moon-landing conspiracy theorists, as ridiculous as they are, but I hadn't been aware that even in Merie's time they were being floated about.
Merie's followers did not publicly continue teaching a moon landing conspiracy, but some may have continued believing this as a private opinion.
I met Buzz Aldrin last year and I have no reason to believe the old guy is lying. he seemed like the kind of guy that likes to be left alone for the most part and lights up when people ask him about the moon. and likes to reminisce about the good old days of no guts, no glory. an 80+ year old guy wouldnt be so excited to talk about it if he had been lying for the last 50 years…
This was never offered as 'teaching' in the stanton churches but rather as discussion. The dinosaur thing, the moon thing, or any other thing of like thought was not doctrine. If it was in some places it wasn't in most. Believe me.
Anonymous 9:28 I disagree with you on teaching about an alleged dinosaur conspiracy. I was in the church for nearly 20 years – dinosaurs were believed to be fake the whole time I was there. Dinosaur toys were prohibited for children. A staged moon landing was suggested publicly by Merie on tape, and you are correct, it was not circulated as doctrine, nor did anyone in this blog claim it to be.
I think we have different definitions of "doctrine" being used, in keeping with the tendency to play word games and argue in circles. Some in the church like to use "doctrine" to mean a formal teaching that the church has agreed upon at a May Meeting. That's not an accurate definition. "Doctrine" simply means "teaching." It was clearly taught that dinosaurs never existed, that is from my own personal experience. I can't personally vouch for the moon landing conspiracy, but others have said they heard it on tape being taught, and I take their word for it.
My understanding of doctrine vs teaching vs judgment is as follows. Doctrine are things like baptism for the remission of sins, Lord's supper every Sunday, the understanding of the Godhead, function of the Holy Spirit, no musical instruments, collection money for the needy saints and edification of the saints, Jesus is the son of God, Mary was a virgin, full immersion in water for baptism, women keep silent during worship, fruit of the vine and not wine for communion. Women have the right to teach in public assembly except for worship service. In other words the basic tenants of the… Read more »
Well, it looks like we finally have the Stanton Statement of Faith.
Truth Seeker – Thanks for your detailed analysis. I can't tell whether you're endorsing these definitions or just passing on how the church believes them, but let me just address it as simply as possible. The above definitions are no different than the loopholes created by the Pharisees to make void the Law with their own traditions. Whatever is taught is a doctrine, period, because that's what doctrine means. As layer upon layer of judgments/opinions/teachings etc. have been shellacked on top of the pure and simple gospel, we have the problem we're seeing now…the entire body falls into line unanimously… Read more »
To Anonymous August 29, 2013 at 9:28 AMI am assuming you know of a Christian somewhere that was taught or did teach that dinosaurs may have existed. I personally was taught that dinosaurs didn't exist. Period. Our children were not allowed to play with dinosaurs, wear clothing depicting dinosaurs, read books about dinosaurs, etc. I agree that the teaching about men walking on the moon was known to be Merie's PERSONAL opinion….Ahhhh…what a beautiful but rather foreign concept to the church today… PERSONAL opinion… Rather than teach something as irrefutable fact one might rather say, "This is my opinion for… Read more »
Anon 1:23, Thank you for your input. I'm reading this blog daily. I find it to be very interesting to see answers to the reasoning of my upbringing. One of the hardest things for me to admit is when I'm wrong. It's embarrassing to be wrong, to have misled someone. I've learned that if you humbly admit your mistake, not only do I feel better but the person I interacted with appreciated that…therefore we had a BETTER and closer relationship going forward. One of the problems I have is how this CoC doesn't see that. They arrogantly preach they have… Read more »
McKenzie,
I am amazed at how well your generation articulates its position with grace, understanding and courage. I have not read such a well-written, thoughtful and succinct summary of the grave concerns shared by so many of us. I assume you're Billy and Barbara's daughter…if so, tell them they did a great job raising you.
Anon 12:24, amen to that. Nice job Mackenzie. Constantly displaying a heart of love and humility is what will change hearts and minds in time. All the well-reasoned arguments in the world are not half as effective as showing that we care and value the relationship in spite of the differences of opinion.
God's grace has poured out on so many of us. It is only His grace that has allowed us to see through the teachings and doctrines and commands of men (in Jesus' name no less) to the devastation and destruction and manipulation caused by this false teaching. As I read and learn more about this group, I can't fathom how they can continue in it. The only thing I can think of that allows them to keep on believing in it is that most of this stuff was covered up for so long. Its so sad. People I love believe… Read more »
Proof is in the pudding. They taught over and over again, God provides evidence. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. There is so much evidence in the Bible, so much accurate, precise prophecy, it has to be true. When people come along and declare, "DINOSAURS NEVER EXISTED, IT'S ALL STAGED," they need proof to make this kind of claim. They need to examine the evidence. When people do not require evidence, but simply say, "It is because WE SAY it is," unintended consequences will result. People will do the research and make… Read more »
Anon 5:04, wow, that is an incredible admission. No man should ever allow himself to be set up on a pedestal like that.
Unfortunately the main teacher saying, "…tell them that black is white and they will believe you." doesn't surprise me. I have it on CD one of the main preachers actually laughing about what they used to do to people they thought were unclean. It convinced me that the leaders could really care less about the heresy or hurt they've done to their congregants. This man found it all quite funny. They have very superior attitudes and enormous egos. It was very revealing and part of what propelled me to quit.
Anonymous 6:53 Could you send a copy of the CD to Kevin? If everyone with CDs or tapes could send them to Kevin he would have solid proof of the teachings, May meeting questions, etc.
Anon 9:51, that would be great, but please make it in the form of MP3 files if at all possible. If you can't, email me and I'll give you an address to mail a physical CD to.
Interesting portion of an article about female cult leaders; "…Since this article is anticipatory in its aim, and before I begin an analysis of the conditions wherein a female cult leader would rise to power, I will first discuss five general characteristics of cult leadership, which are (1) all cults are hierarchical in structure with the cult leader at the apex, (2) cult leaders are often thought to have supernatural abilities, (3) cult leaders are very personable and they have charismatic personalities, (4) the cult leader is a godhead and is revered by members of the cult and (5) the… Read more »
Merie was often called Our Mother Merie. I remember distinctly when a man prayed for Mother Merie.
I've also heard older ones refer to her as their "mother." I see #5 "…delusions of grandeur" may fit given Merie's "special understandings" based on what she said about it and what others said about her. I see other sections that fit as well.
1 Timothy 5:2-The older women as MOTHERS the younger women as SISTERS. We practiced this obedience in my time on the earth as well.
1 Timothy 5:1-2 – Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity. This is a relationship thing, not instruction about calling someone by a title or term of affection. He's telling Timothy to give due respect to older men AS IF they were his father, and older women AS IF they were his mother. He was to TREAT younger women as sisters, and younger men as brothers. Further, I have never heard anyone refer… Read more »
The term brother Kevin or sister Ann or Mother Sally or as we say instead of Father elder David has been the practice of Godly men through the ages. I believe this to be a trite problem, if indeed it is a problem. What could be wrong with children of God calling an elderly sister in Christ MOTHER?
As I remember the true definition of the word 'cult' is 'any religious body of people without Jesus Christ as its nucleus'. I don't think this applies to the body of people you are disassembling.
Matthew 23:9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. The sect points out that the Catholics use the title of "Father" for priests and it is wrong to do so. (and I agree) Job 32:21Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. Interesting. The Catholics refer to Jesus's mother as "Mother Mary" and Mary truly was humble and she is blessed among women (and will forever remain so). It seems to me that this sect looked down on the reverence… Read more »
Cult Definitions 1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3.the object of such devotion. 4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5.Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols. Ven•er•a•tion noun 1.the act of venerating. 2.the state of being venerated. 3.the feeling of a person who venerates; a feeling of awe, respect,… Read more »
To "EWS" – You say "What could be wrong with children of God calling an elderly sister in Christ MOTHER?"
I say if it was universally practiced toward all the elderly sisters, then great. No harm no foul. But we're talking here about a sect that has set someone up on a pedestal, despite all the denials to the contrary. That's hugely different.
No it's not.
Mr. Scott, since we're touching on the old days, can you elaborate on sect members tying children down to their beds at night? It was about 30 years ago. Who was behind this judgment? Was this a practice in your time? Why was it done? I know it's hard to talk about. There are dozens of witnesses to this. The children remember. We're interested in exposing the truth, the way the Bible does, even when it's ugly. Can you tell us the truth? Were you there?
I can answer that one. Hazel Capel. When Merie heard about it she stopped it completely. She was 76 by this time and tried to let the younger people lead.
Anonymous 6:36, can you say about how long the practice continued before it was stopped? And why was it not reported to the authorities? Was there a cover-up?
One on this blog said Merie herself was giving instructions to the child at the time father to tie his wrists tighter to the bedpost.
Another claim of Merie by a member in Portland who knew Merie was she said if there was ever a black president in our country that a race war would breakout. Wrong again Merie. Open your eyes cult members and understand whom and what you are following.
She sounds ignorant to me as well as mentally disturbed and certainly dysfunctional.
42 However, if a reddish white sore appears on the bald area on top of his head or on his forehead, this is a skin disease.
WARNING!! Racist, Antisemite, Woman Hater, White Supremacist, Bible Hater, Mixed Race Hater, Lunatic, constantly posting garbage.
Warning, deranged woman on a rampage name-calling to advertise her brainwashing to the world.
Still afraid, that’s why she hides.
Communist, Marxist, Talmudic Jew useful idiot,
No wise person listens to you.
When you have calmed down from your hissy-fit, there is a lot you can learn.
When a woman is out of her place, she’s under Satan, and she stirs up chaos, as we see this woman doing.
Incoherent with rage and hatred, she viciously attacks what she doesn’t understand.
You have no idea who I am, my gender, my race or anything about me personally you idiot. The woman who is causing YOU to have a meltdown isn’t the only person reading or posting. Good for her!! Keep it up Leviticus!!!!
Hate filled MONSTER posting on this website!!
When a woman’s emotions take her off the deep end, this is what it looks like.
They become crazed and deranged.
Didn’t have to happen, she could have stayed quiet and obeyed God.
The worst part is the men who allow this and encourage it. Truly weak and despicable men.
I know you’re a coward and you’re ignorant, because you are hiding and you can’t defend your beliefs with reason,
What else is there to know about you?
I also know you aren’t a Christian since Christians don’t support women teaching men.
The loudest voices are often the most ignorant, as you demonstrate.
HAHAHAHAHAH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I BELIEVE. I’ll tell you one thing I believe… You are a hate-filled racist spewing your disgusting opinions on a website that clearly isn’t intended for that purpose.
Thank you, besides your deluded and deranged name-calling which is in fantasy, you’ve nothing to say.
Are you finished wasting everyone’s time with your temper tantrum?
Just because you don’t understand the Jewish plan for White extermination doesn’t make me a racist, you are a lazy thinker.
When the debate is lost, slander is the tool of the loser
Socrates
I’m sorry you disagree with facts.
Yours is the most explosive allergy to the truth we’ve seen yet here.
If you disagree, show the error, but, since you don’t have facts on your side, only emotions, you are pitching your temper tantrum.
You haven’t debated in the least, you have spewed vomit all over this website. Go find your own place to post your disgusting garbage. You are raging because some woman has the intelligence to beat you at your own disgusting game. Go away you flea.
I’ve laid out my facts, you haven’t refuted a single one. I’ve 500+ books on my website, you haven’t read one, yet you think You know what you are talking about. Utter idiocy. You have nothing to say. You’ve posted over 500 scriptures in a vain attempt to terrorize ideas you don’t like off the website. You are an irrational thinker. You think you have the right to tell grown men where to go and what to say, you’re sadly mistaken, Don’t like what I say? Don’t read it. No one is forcing you to read what your brainwashing has… Read more »
Hahahahahah, you’re wasting your time accusing me of posting 500+ scriptures on this site!! You have NO idea who I am or if I have ever posted on this site!! Squirm little worm. I give that woman you hate the highest praise for dumping your trash where it belongs!! Good for her.
Someone just posted 500+ scriptures.
All of you who disagree hide, name call, don’t post any reasoning, and waste everyone’s time with your temper tantrum.
It’s like being in a schoolroom with a disruptive child. The teacher has to deal with the child so everyone else can learn.
You refuse to learn, and you desperately try to ruin everyone else learning too.
It doesn’t matter if there is 1,000,000 of you name calling anonymous accounts, you’re never winning until you find truth and courage.
Until then, you’ll remain anonymous cowards throwing rocks from the shadows.
You accuse posters of being anonymous to hide. Come out of the shadows with your fake names Mr. Whomever you are. Since when are you the arbitator of acceptable fake names. Your mother had some odd thinking when she named you unless you are guilty of hiding behind a fake name? Yes, you are guilty as charged.
I am well known to every one in Stanton. I am known by those I want to be known to. Unlike you, I tell the truth in public, and have been arrested and attacked for it. Men like you are so brainwashed you think the FBI and attacks on speech are wonderful things. If asked do you believe in free speech for ideas you hate to hear it’s unlikely you’d respond yes. You are no threat to the system, as you don’t know the truth and you certainly don’t tell it publicly. Who are you? Were you ever in Stanton?… Read more »
As if you DON’T love to talk!! You have a mental delusion that has afflicted you with nothing but ridiculous, hate-filled diarrhea of the mouth!! Every word that leaves your tongue is filthy.
A wise man has something to say, a fool has to say something.
Unlikely you’ve used the word “wisdom” once in your life, you certainly don’t exhibit it, as wise men don’t attack ideas they don’t understand.
Sounds like Arizona resurrected.
Besides your nonsense name-calling, advertising you’ve lost the debate, what are you wasting your time here for?
Yes, you have to say something don’t you. You have nothing to say.
Name calling, hostility, antagonism.
The attacks of an angry man on ideas he is too lazy to research as he parrots the Jewish owned television,
Truly sad, a man who can’t think for himself.
Who knows, all these comments are probably the same person.
We don’t even know if they are even from Stanton.
Could be someone from Tel Aviv, no way to tell.
Jews and their puppets love to attack from the shadows.
And it’s likely you are the latter.
500+ comments quoting Leviticus in meaningless posts. The usual attacks of “racist,” “antisemite,” “sexist,” “hateful,” etc. Right out of the communist playbook. A complete waste of time and an attempt to hijack the website by one person or a group who hates logical thinking. These are isolated instances on here, but we’ve already seen the results of these ideas in large cities, where mobs of these cowards run wild. Notice, those who state these dishonest allegations will rarely stand up in public and say them and defend them, they are too afraid. So they wait until they are in mobs… Read more »
News flash.
Coming on a website, calling strangers names, hiding, and calling others hateful, is hateful behavior.
So you’re a hypocrite, accusing others of what you do.
Maybe think before speaking.
Hahahahahah, you act like every Jew, woman, and non-white you constantly lambast on this site are NOT strangers to you. News flash…. They are strangers to you! YOU are calling strangers names, Einstein. You display the utmost height of prejudice, which is the utmost height of IGNORANCE. You speak against and assume things of individuals you know NOTHING about. You throw Jews, women and non-whites into ignorant little check-listed boxes of your own evil surmising and the evil surmising and disgusting opinions of the crackpots you quote and praise. I am HAPPY to say I have not read many of… Read more »
Einstein was a fraud, he plagiarized his work, and was a deceitful Jew. That’s just one of the errors in your thinking. The purpose of an open forum is people lay out ideas for scrutiny and the best ideas stand up. It’s not a child’s exercise where you come on and name-call on topics you don’t understand. You don’t know who controls the media, you don’t know who controls the money, you don’t know who controls your mind, and so your opinion is irrelevant. You obviously, like over half of America, don’t read much, and when you do, you don’t… Read more »
It is comments like this one you posted that explain why Whites who study this do not want to be around Blacks. When we discuss Black crime, poor Black performance in schools, 75% of Black babies born out of wedlock, 75% of Black boys functionally illiterate, we get told we are “racist” and often, are threatened with violence. So, Whites don’t want to deal with it. America was started as a White country for Whites, it was 90% White in 1960, and far better than today. Sorry saying that strikes you as “racist.” There are plenty of Blacks who are… Read more »
So your argument against using the words racist and antisemite is the fact those words didn’t exist in 1828? Only a deluded narrow mind like yours would come up with such a ridiculous defense when called EXACTLY what you are. I will have quite a time reading some of your trash and discarding every word that wasn’t used in 1828. Brainwashed comes to mind as a word not listed in the 1828 dictionary and you love accusing people of being ‘brainwashed’ which is exactly what you are. Here’s a thought… get off of your COMPUTER or PHONE and stop spewing… Read more »
Good news for me; bad news for you brainwashed-antisemetic-racist-man. Brainwashed is off your list of words in the 1828 dictionary so you mustn’t call people brainwashed. You have broken your own stupid rule today. I don’t live by such a ludicrous rule, nor do I enforce such insanity on others, so I am free to use modern English words to describe you. Guess what, you don’t get to make the rules of acceptable language when you’re confronted with opposition. Your brain has been washed clean of anything that resembles sanity, decency or common sense. Horray for modern English!!!
Not to worry, even though there is a campaign of brainwashing that started before you were born. For the third time, what media do you watch or read? You so confidently state your conclusions, but when the counter attack comes, you crumble. The word deceived works just as well. And you are badly deceived. You believe what isn’t true. Can you explain the difference between objective and subjective truth? If you don’t understand this, we are going to have a hard time agreeing on anything. Thank you. The modern English language is badly dumbed down and subverted. Your vocabulary choice… Read more »
Yes, who created the words “racist,” and “antisemite?” Why haven’t you heard of the words loxist or antarian? They mean a hatred of Whites. So the media pushes anything they see as a hatred of Jews or non-Whites, but they hide hatred of Whites. That doesn’t sound strange to you? From Israeli politician Shulamit Aloni: “ Shulamit Aloni: Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic. And the organization is strong, and has a lot… Read more »
What you don’t understand is who created the words “racist,” and “antisemite.” They were created to attack the White majority in America, as they are rarely used for anyone but Whites. Countless times Whites have been called “racist,” often falsely, leading to massive backlash, sometimes including violence and death. Well, if you read the book by Jew Sigmund Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, called “Propaganda,” you see there is a policy to try to brainwash populations. The Jews are telling you this out of their own mouths, I’m not saying this. You can’t logically think when you’ve already termed anyone a… Read more »
As for hiding, everyone in Stanton knows who I am by my writing. The only reason why my real name isn’t constantly posted on here is because the Jewish FBI and their Mossad are tracking me on the internet. Once I tell you my real name, you can Google it, and remember Google is run by Sergei Brin and Larry Page, both Jews. I have no problem saying these facts in public. To learn these facts, understand them, say them, and get criticized for them is what every man in America should be doing, as there is a terrible threat… Read more »
News flash! I am directing my comments at YOU, not your entire gender group, your race group, your religious group, your ethnic group because… ready for this? You don’t represent your group! Thank the Lord, you don’t represent every male, every white, every anything. Each individual member of said groups deserves a chance to be judged according to their personal behavior and not be judged prejudiciously. Your personal posts and the garbage you call truth is not the fault of the entire male population, the entire white population, or the entire American population. Your garbage and belief system are your’s… Read more »
I don’t direct my comments at entire groups either, There obviously, as you’ll learn when you research, is a large group of Talmudic Jews who control the Federal Reserve and money in America, and they control the media. Which is why you are angry and don’t want to share where you get your information from because you love those who lie to you and think they are your friends. There are good and bad people of all races and religions, you are using a straw man logical fallacy and attacking an argument I never made. I never wrote off entire… Read more »
Funny you never heard the word Loxism before, which means the hatred of Whites, yet, you disagree with a White man, you call him names, you refuse to consider anything he has to say, you won’t address his questions.
Sounds to me like you hate White men.
Free speech applies everywhere in America, but it wasn’t designed for your gross ignorance and name calling.
Move to China, you don’t belong in America.
All your hate-filled name-calling isn’t name-calling in your deluded little mind. Okay, sure, tell yourself more lies. You’ve been deceived and I won’t waste my time trying to convince you otherwise because reasoning with complete delusional insanity isn’t possible, but I will warn other readers. Oh yes, I will warn other readers.
Thank you, you’re welcome to your ignorant opinion.
That’s why you hide, you’re afraid, and you should be afraid.
Besides your deluded emotions you have nothing to say.
So, pride drives you.
It’s not that you disagree with good reasons, it’s that you have nothing but slander. And you aren’t even man enough to say it in public, you throw rocks from behind trees, hiding your identity.
The only reason to hide is someone is up to no good.
Where is your website? I want to fill it with my Jew loving, interracial loving, integration, powerful woman-loving, anti-David Duke ideals. Let’s see if you allow me to take over your comment section. Maybe I could just post about the weather and talk about things nobody is there to read. Will you block me? My guess is yes and I can already guess the reasons Mr. Free Speech.
You love Talmudic Jews? Were you even in Stanton, or are you just a random stranger on the internet poking your nose into business you don’t understand? You sure are indoctrinated. Talmudic Jews support murder, rape, and child molestation in their Talmud and you love that? Are you crazy? Not to mention they are behind communism and the murder of 100 million. Did you know Trotsky was a Jew? Who owns the Federal Reserve? Have you read David Duke’s side? It’s obvious you’ve never read his “My Awakening” and “Jewish Supremacism.” Where did you learn about David Duke? From the… Read more »
Antisemite!!
I’m trying to understand what motivates you. I’m 90% certain you’re a Black man who is angry at facts he doesn’t like. Ammirite?
I only block lies, profanity, racial slurs, and willful ignorance.
That means when a person has been corrected on falsehoods they believe and they keep right on stating them. That isn’t tolerated.
Ignorance is fine, we are all ignorant in areas, but willful ignorance is not fine.
Racist!!
Said by the king of name calling attacks!
Who are you anyway? I doubt you have had even one person take any of your garbage seriously. You deranged, hate-filled white supremacist, cockroach.
Oh, I get it; just because you didn’t see me on Jew television, Jew radio, Jew social media, or Jew newspapers, that means I’m a nobody.
So pathetic how many tens of millions are brainwashed.
Wow, listen to how much hatred you’ve been trained to have,
Truly disturbing.
Get help.
I’m sorry you’ve been living a lie your whole life.
Antisemite!!!
When a woman is wring, there is no reasoning with her.
She will try to take out men verbally and physically even though she can’t win,
Putting gender behavior in a box is utter and complete ignorance. As if every man and woman fit into your deluded checklists. You show your utter ignorance of the real world you delusional, hate-filled egotistical maniac.
Your ideas resemble those of transgender degenerates.
There are differences between the genders. Don’t like that? Take it up with God.
God created the order:
God, Christ, man, woman.
So you have a problem with God’s order, not me.
You’d have called Jesus an antisemitic racist sexist too.
And who knows who you are, you can be a bot, a Mossad agent, someone from the world.
Whatever you are, you advertise loud and clear you suffer from delusions of grandeur and gross ignorance,
Yes, of course there are gender differences but your little definitions are nowhere near reality and are so incredibly narrow and ignorant that your assumptions about what gender or race a person is makes you look idiotic. Any reasonable person can see right past your narrow confines of gender behavior because they live in the real world and experience multifaceted men and women on a daily basis. Not all men or women fit your ludicrous definitions and you know that. Why do you portray such ignorance? Making blanket statements shows how warped and blinded you are. Who grabbed your mind… Read more »
Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but they are EXCEPTIONS, not the rule. If you object to any of the facts laid out, let’s hear you state the facts you disagree with instead of lumping them into the dismissive and emotionally lazy name-calling you frequently resort to. “ Any reasonable person can see right past your narrow confines of gender behavior because they live in the real world and experience multifaceted men and women on a daily basis.” This statement of yours is subjective truth, it’s not objective truth. Objective truth is true for all times, for all… Read more »
Myopic bigot!!
I have no problem with God’s order. You have man above God in your little puffed up mind.
But if you agreed with God’s order, that wives are to obey husbands and women aren’t to teach men publicly, you wouldn’t be criticizing me for my statements supporting this order on the website.
A man ruled by God’s laws is Godly but isn’t God, to clarify your last statement.
Misogynist!!
Where do you get your news from?
Who brainwashed you to hate truth so much?
Who brainwashed you to hate entire races, genders and groups of people so much?
You’ve been trained that facts about women, Jews, or non-Whites that are negative aren’t allowed in conversation.
That isn’t reasonable.
Why is it ok to criticize White people, which the media does daily, but not Jews and non-Whites?
You’ve been trained that you don’t need to have facts, just holler “racist, antisemite, and sexist” and you win the argument, which is what you’ve been trying to do on this website.
Nothing I’ve stated has been false. Why don’t you address the arguments instead of emotionally responding with loaded words?
The oppressed, by definition, cannot be oppressors.
Karl Marx, is that you?
How’d a communist operative get loose on this websites?
Like all hatred, it’s a learned behavior.
Why are you asking me questions Mr Racist-Man? You seem to think you’re all knowing when it comes to your opponents. You know their gender, race, marriage status, tv viewing habits? Why don’t you tell me where I get my news. State it as fact so you look like an idiot as you have earlier.
Because unlike you, I seek to understand. You conclude before listening and reading thoroughly, I continue asking for understanding, that is a difference between us. You ask loaded questions to support your emotions conclusions, I ask logical questions to support the I deductive and inductive thinking that leads to truth. Huge differences between us. I disagree strongly with you, but understand where your thinking is rooted, you disagree with me and not only do you not understand what the factual basis for my thinking is, but you have already expressed that you don’t want to hear or listen to anything… Read more »
Sexist woman hater!!!
Why do people hate White men so much?
Who trained them to do this?
People don’t hate white men so much; it’s the racist white supremacists they have a problem with.
Really?
So the television, radio, newspapers, and movies haven’t been putting out majority criticism of Whites in the past 65 years?
Again with your name-calling.
“Racist White supremacists.”
You’ve been trained to hate, and can’t see it.
You don’t have a problem with Jew supremacy, and they control the money and information. But, if a White person tells the truth about Black crime and Jewish evil, oh, that’s an obvious “Racist White Supremacist.” lol.
I just realized I am posting on a discussion about delusional beliefs held by the person who started this religious cult.
Unfortunately, this website has been taken over by a racist wacko posting nothing about the issues at hand; rather, his one-tracked, delusional, hate-filled mind focuses on women and Jews ad nauseam. We get it, wacko-man, you believe Jews and women are the reason for all the problems of the world. I don’t see anyone being convinced or agreeing with you here. Allow readers to get back to the issues on this website.
More of your unreasoned slanders. The beauty of an open forum is it allows fierce criticism, even yours, which uses language which didn’t exist two centuries ago. You aren’t bright enough to figure out who created the language and why, so you are enslaved by the hatred you’ve been trained to hold for any who oppose your invisible overlords. Stanton erred because they never had an open forum like this one, which is why you have a hard time coping with this one. You think consensus determines truth, which is the appeal to popularity, logical fallacy. There is no issue… Read more »
I rest my case. Reading this makes it obvious you can dish it out but you can’t take it. You’re calling me a coward, ignorant, foolish, angry, cooked thinker, enslaved by hatred and not bright. Okay, so that’s not name calling because it comes from your filthy mouth but me calling you delusional, racist, white supremacist, predjudice, laughable, hatefilled is name calling. Whatever well of delusional hypocrisy and hate you’re drinking from, may it dry up. Like I said Martha, we’ve got a sad case of a hatefilled, corrupted mind with this one. We will be praying for you, Mr.… Read more »
You are a coward. I have my own news website, I speak publicly, I’ve been arrested, you do nothing and you hide. Everyone from Stanton on this website knows me, no one knows you. You don’t read or research, besides your name calling, which is going to collapse in a few days as dozens of others have already bitten the dust, you don’t have much to say. You can’t reasonably disagree with ideas you don’t like. You haven’t disagreed with one of the thousands of facts I’ve laid lout over the past decade but you think your emotional name-calling is… Read more »
Racist!!
Modus ponens fallacy!!
Unclear what you are alleging is a modus ponens. This is an improvement. Your arguments tropically consist of “racist,” “antisemite.” “Misogynist,” “bigot,” “sexist,” and “hater.” None of those are defined by you. And, all of these words come from the Jewish Cultural Marxists, to enforce their ideology on an unsuspecting America. Herbert Marcuse and his band of degenerates approve of you. What else did they approve of? Drugs, alcohol, prostitution, porn, and nearly every vice imaginable, You are deceived by wicked men. And who knows, you could be a Mossad operative, you act just like the Jewish agents. You never… Read more »
Antisemite!!
How long have you had a problem with reading comprehension?
Maybe you didn’t get the memo, but this website isn’t for CNN parrots.
Apparently you didn’t get the memo that this website is for discussing the Stanton cult; the spitual abuse members have suffered; the physical abuse children have suffered; the doctrinal errors; the ruining of marriages and destruction of families; the oppression and cult-like behaviors of women teachers and male preachers; the extra-biblical rules; the constantly changing judgements; etc. This website isn’t for you to have a personal platform; that is what your website is for. Your constant posting of non-relevant topics drives people away because you’re not discussing the issues in Stanton other than women being out of order. We get… Read more »
This website is for discussing truth, and that you have a problem with that, is a personal issue you must address. That you whine and cry over issues with feminism in Stanton while ignoring the huge and far larger issues and threats is preposterous, and simply ridiculous. People are going somewhere for their information. They go to people who lie to them. Every single critic, you included, wants to come on here and and strongly denounce what you don’t understand, but then, when questioned what media do you read, you run away and hide. Truly despicable. You want to question… Read more »
Further, we just had someone try to hijack the website with 500+ postings from Leviticus, and someone else, perhaps the same person with constant postings of “racist,” “Hateful,” “Bigot,” “White Supremacist,” “Antisemite,” and the rest of the Communist lexicon, and this doesn’t bother you at all. So we see, you’re a hypocrite, you don’t truly care about the truth, and you band up with others to try to silence ideas you don’t like. It’s the behavior of mobs and cowards. No criticism from you on that, nope, instead you aim for the person telling the truth about where the root… Read more »
A huge issue that affects everyone in America but will never be discussed by Stanton as it’s run by women teachers, is the issue of crime by race. There are differences between the races. Stanton, started by and run by women, lacks insight into what Satan is up to, just like Eve in the Garden. They don’t understand there is an agenda to exterminate the White race, which is far more evil than anything that ever happened in the history of Stanton. Part of that plan is to hide Black crime, which is a major issue hidden by the media,… Read more »
Many, likely over a dozen over the years, have written here that they want to heal from the “cult” of Stanton. First off, when we dispassionately examine Stanton, it’s clear they aren’t a “cult” in the sense of the word commonly used, describing a group with malicious intent and with members who are up to no good. Commonly, those on here criticizing Stanton the loudest take little accountability for their actions, not realizing that life is not about what happens to us; it’s how we respond. It takes little effort in life to complain; it takes a lot of effort… Read more »
Antisemite!!
White supremacist!!
Racist!!
Modus Tollens fallacy!!
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy!!
Define racist and antisemite, simpleton.
Racist and antisemite = Ryan Messano!!
Sorry, your logical fallacy allegation is false, thou it isn’t clear what you are even calling a logical fallacy,
Whew!! What a colossal explosion over the past few weeks. I remember reading in the New Testament of how there were constant uprisings, riots, and tumults caused by the same group who put Christ to death, who you are called an “antisemite” today for naming, Jesus would have been called an antisemite, with Paul, and all the apostles, so if you’re a Christian today and being called “antisemitic” you have wonderful company. Well, we are seeing that play out live on this website. Some unknown agent has decided to come on the website, full of invective and aggressive hatred for… Read more »
Your nonstop gaslighting is only exceeded by your antisemitic hatred and racism.
Misogynist!!
What are you still doing here, deceived one? Take your childish nonsense elsewhere. Try to find help for your unreasoning hatred. You are destroying yourself. Because you don’t understand the Bible and history you are repeating their mistakes. Who knows who you are, you could be a Jew in a synagogue writing this. You definitely don’t want the truth coming out. Acts 21 27] And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, [28] Crying out, Men of… Read more »
If we wait for deceived people to be quiet and go away, nothing will ever get done here; as they delight in folly. And so, simply focusing on how feminism has infiltrated Stanton and how Talmudic Jews run every evil agenda, will be focused on no matter what interruptions from hateful deceived types, always anonymous, take place. It’s useless to try to persuade them as they don’t answer questions, they aren’t interested in learning and listening at all. Amazing, that the same problems the leaders in Stanton have had for decades, particularly the women teachers, are present on here as… Read more »
Red herring fallacy!!
You are out of your element.
Hiding becayse you are ashamed of your ignorance.
Go research, then return.
You are a little child who doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.
This site was better before your tantrum and it will be peaceful when you and your gross ignorance leave.
You’d have called Jesus an antisemite.
There are things to discuss, we can do without disruptive children who love their ignorance.
Act like a child? Get treated like a child.
Acts 17 4] And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. [5] But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. [6] And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have… Read more »
I wondered if Grok was run by Jews, so I typed in my name, here is what came back. “Ryan Messano appears to be an individual known for controversial public statements and actions, particularly at city council meetings in places like Sacramento and Vallejo, California. He has been reported to make remarks described as antisemitic, racist, and homophobic, which have led to confrontations, arrests, and disruptions at these meetings. For instance, in Sacramento, he was arrested in May 2024 for violating a restraining order during a council meeting and again shortly after for making antisemitic comments. In Vallejo, back in… Read more »
In two paragraphs it successfully paints me as a dangerous criminal, which is completely false. The devil is in the details. Lazy minds never find the truth, but to those who are willing to put in the hard work to prove truth, you will learn the clever strategies used by Jews to deceive hundreds of millions. As you’d expect from something controlled by Jews, nearly every sentence is steeped in lies and deception. This is how they control America by praising their puppets and ignoring and lying about their enemies. A critique. 1) “Ryan Messano appears to be an individual… Read more »
2) “He has been reported to make remarks described as antisemitic, racist, and homophobic, which have led to confrontations, arrests, and disruptions at these meetings.” That is a very clever lie here. These three slurs, “antisemite, racist, and homophobic,” are all created by Jews to attack anyone opposing their corrupt One World Order. These words didn’t exist in the 1828 dictionary, and all three are commonly used to attack White men in America who Jews are planning to exterminate. These words are to spread hate against Whites who simply oppose Jewish theft and murder, Whites who oppose the Jewish plan… Read more »
So, when I walked into the Tuesday City Council meeting to speak as I ordinarily do, I was informed by the police officer in the chambers who was part of the conspiracy that I had a restraining order filed against me. I told him I knew about it, it would be thrown out, and I wasn’t worried about it. Usually, at city council meetings, 90% of those I attended, City Manager Howard Chan sat in the City Manager’s Seat. However, as this was deliberately contrived, Leyne Milstein sat in the City Manager’s seat in this meeting. The restraining order was… Read more »
4) “In Vallejo, back in 2018, he was removed from a meeting after homophobic statements.” Grok doesn’t understand the First Amendment. There are no exceptions for “hate” speech in the First Amendment. Typically, truthful moral and objective statements are called “hate” today. I criticized homosexuals, and Jesus, the Bible, and America’s Founders would have all agreed with me. Being removed from the meeting was a gross violation of my First Amendment rights. Unfortunately, lawyers are overwhelmingly cowardly and corrupt, and no lawyers could be found to take this case. “Conservative Free Speech Lawyer Champions” like Harmeet Dhillon and Alan Dershowitz… Read more »
5) “Some reports tie him to far-right groups like the Proud Boys, though he’s denied being a Nazi or supporting authoritarianism. His actions have sparked significant backlash, including protests and legal measures like restraining orders.” More sly deceit. I’ve never been connected with the Proud Boys in my life, though they are Jewish-controlled opposition. I’m not a member of any group, so this is way off base. If a group obeys God and the Constitution, I’ll join that group; I don’t know of any now. Then it cites my actions as having “sparked significant backlash, including “protests” and “restraining orders.”… Read more »
Gaslighter!!