These rules for prayer are the doctrines and commandments of men. They are nowhere found in the Bible, and the attitude they teach is one of constant judging, because you supposedly have to know whether someone else’s prayer is being heard by God before you can acknowledge their prayer by bowing your head or closing your eyes.
- You can’t pray for anyone NOT in the church, with some exceptions (if it’s a child, or if you’re praying for an unbeliever’s salvation)
- No holding hands during prayer (is this a church-wide prohibition, or something individual congregations adhere to?)
- One must say “in Jesus name,” not “in our Savior’s name,” not “in the name of our Lord,” not “in your son’s name,” etc. If you don’t say “in Jesus name” it isn’t heard.
- If someone is praying and they aren’t part of the church, you must do one or more of the following:
- Leave the room
- Keep your eyes open
- DON’T bow your head.
- Say your own private prayer (and typically make sure your prayer lasts a few seconds beyond the end of the “sinner’s” prayer)
- You must say a prayer before all meals. I used to do this “religiously” with my family, even at restaurants, but I came to realize that there are times when we seem like Pharisees on the street corner saying “look at me.” There’s something to be said for praying privately sometimes. If we always have a heart of thankfulness to God for our blessings, verbalizing a prayer does not need to be a rule. After all, we’re to “pray without ceasing.” Now, I take public prayer at restaurants on a case by case basis, because I know there is no “rule” binding it one way or another. I am “unceasingly” thankful to God for my food and other blessings.
- If the person praying forgets a prayer request, they say another prayer to include the forgotten prayer request. This is especially true in the prayer following the public confession period.
- You can’t say a prayer if you have a “sin you haven’t taken care of.” If someone calls on you for prayer, you need to pass.
- I don’t know if it’s a specific rule, but chain prayers (prayers where multiple people contribute out loud) are looked down upon because they’re not serious enough.
- Praying in 17th century English is encouraged (using “thee” and “thou” in particular).
Luke 18:10-14 – Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The Lord knows those who are His, and we surely don’t. When I say “amen” to someone’s prayer (which simply means “so be it”), I am simply endorsing the words they are saying, not their religious beliefs, their personal sins, or their life choices.
Colossians 3:17 – And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Everything we do–not just our prayers, everything–is to be done “in the name of the Lord Jesus.” So when I bring a meal to a sick person do I need to say “in Jesus’ name” when I hand it to them? When I give my little girl a big hug before bed at night, because I love her with the love that God put inside of me, do I have to say “in Jesus’ name?” When I show kindness, compassion and forgiveness to people who have done me wrong, do I have to tell them “in Jesus name” that I’m being kind to them?
Of course not. The point Paul is making, and the point Jesus was making when he instructed us to ask everything in his name, is simply a timeless piece of wisdom from Solomon applied by Jesus for the Christian era:
Proverbs 3:6 – In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
In everything we do or say, whether it’s our prayers or our actions, we should acknowledge and give honor to Jesus. Words are optional, in fact, sometimes words get in the way of our message. Hence the old adage that “actions speak louder than words.”
h/t to Andrea, Mckenzie and anonymous contributors for this list
Great list…just a few additions off the top of my head, if the person praying forgets a prayer request in their prayer, they say another prayer to include the forgotten prayer request. And also, the only time we would get on our knees to pray was for "very serious situations". I remember that happening a handful of times growing up. You can't say a prayer if you have a "sin you haven't taken care of". I remember knowing when one of my parents had a "sin" on them because they would pass the prayer at the dinner table or bedtime.… Read more »
My question is: what happened to all those prayers for all those years when the church was teaching wrong understandings (which they admit), making wrong judgments based on wrong exegesis of scripture (which they admit); had people in their midst that were unscripturally withdrawn from at the hands of those praying (which they admit), had families in their midst that were split up because the church had a wrong the understanding of remarriage (which they admit)? At any given time they believe that they have it all figured out…. until they don't…. and then they change the teaching and then… Read more »
This is an excellent point. I know they believe that prayers are unheard when the praying person has sin on their soul. What if it's a private sin, and he's praying for the forgiveness of other people publicly? Are their sins unforgiven because God didn't hear his prayers because he was sinning privately? Why do we as humans need to be so consumed with judging whether someone else is a sinner or not. Can't we all just stipulate that we are all sinners and don't have it all "going on" in the righteousness department, and give each other the grace… Read more »
YES Kevin. God is either merciful or He isn't and it's not for the church to decide or judge the particulars of God's mercies. We should be begging for mercy and showing mercy because we realize just how feeble we are. Psalms 118:29 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
If we ask for abundant mercy we must be filled with mercy ourselves. Don't allow men to be God's 'mercy meter'; that's not a duty assigned to us.
Anonymous 11:29, amen and amen. Matthew 7:2 – For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I believe the harsh and unloving upbringing many (not all) had in the church stemmed directly from the harsh and unloving teaching style of church leaders, which in turn stemmed from their harsh and unloving view of our loving God. If we truly think God is consumed with petty rules (like whether you MUST attend another congregation's events if you're within a certain proximity, or whether you can… Read more »
All I know is what I've observed with the exception of one thing, I was asked through the grapevine to not hold hands when some coc kids were at my house. That request was in reference to having the kids during the November meetings.
Hey, does anybody know if they serve turkey at those meetings? It is usually during thanksgiving, right? Haha… and is there a clear rule about whether celebrating thanksgiving is ok? I know families who do and ones who don't. I'll remain anonymous in case some if them get busted.
Yes turkey has been served at a November meeting.
After my husband became a Christian and we had one of our first fellowships, he said the meal prayer. Well, he was told by a young Christian woman to say it again because he didn't quite say Bless the Food. I think he got stuck thanking God for other things, like brethren. I was offended in my heart because it was his first public prayer and boy oh boy did I have to shut down my pride to not tell her anything! I adore her and she just has a strong personality, but this is totally how things are done… Read more »
And the Lord said to Moses, 2 “The following instructions are for those seeking ceremonial purification from a skin disease.
Those who have been healed must be brought to the priest,
3 who will examine them at a place outside the camp. If the priest finds that someone has been healed of a serious skin disease,
4 he will perform a purification ceremony, using two live birds that are ceremonially clean, a stick of cedar,[b] some scarlet yarn, and a hyssop branch.
5 The priest will order that one bird be slaughtered over a clay pot filled with fresh water.
6 He will take the live bird, the cedar stick, the scarlet yarn, and the hyssop branch, and dip them into the blood of the bird that was slaughtered over the fresh water.
7 The priest will then sprinkle the blood of the dead bird seven times on the person being purified of the skin disease. When the priest has purified the person, he will release the live bird in the open field to fly away.
8 “The persons being purified must then wash their clothes, shave off all their hair, and bathe themselves in water. Then they will be ceremonially clean and may return to the camp. However, they must remain outside their tents for seven days.
9 On the seventh day they must again shave all the hair from their heads, including the hair of the beard and eyebrows. They must also wash their clothes and bathe themselves in water. Then they will be ceremonially clean.
10 “On the eighth day each person being purified must bring two male lambs and a one-year-old female lamb, all with no defects, along with a grain offering of six quarts[c] of choice flour moistened with olive oil, and a cup[d] of olive oil.
11 Then the officiating priest will present that person for purification, along with the offerings, before the Lord at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
12 The priest will take one of the male lambs and the olive oil and present them as a guilt offering, lifting them up as a special offering before the Lord.
13 He will then slaughter the male lamb in the sacred area where sin offerings and burnt offerings are slaughtered. As with the sin offering, the guilt offering belongs to the priest. It is a most holy offering.
14 The priest will then take some of the blood of the guilt offering and apply it to the lobe of the right ear, the thumb of the right hand, and the big toe of the right foot of the person being purified.
15 “Then the priest will pour some of the olive oil into the palm of his own left hand.
16 He will dip his right finger into the oil in his palm and sprinkle some of it with his finger seven times before the Lord.
17 The priest will then apply some of the oil in his palm over the blood from the guilt offering that is on the lobe of the right ear, the thumb of the right hand, and the big toe of the right foot of the person being purified.
18 The priest will apply the oil remaining in his hand to the head of the person being purified. Through this process, the priest will purify[f] the person before the Lord.
19 “Then the priest must present the sin offering to purify the person who was cured of the skin disease. After that, the priest will slaughter the burnt offering
“The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don’t know anything about.” – Wayne Dyer “Not ignorance, but ignorance of ignorance, is the death of knowledge.” – Alfred North Whitehead “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” – Harlan Ellison “Truth is, by nature, self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.” – Mahatma Gandhi Poor Leviticus. Over halfway through Leviticus and she hasn’t accomplished a thing. Still stubbornly posting Bible verses, imitating Merie who… Read more »
“The highest form of ignorance is when you, Ryan, reject interracial marriage and promote ungodly ideas. You are an ignorant racist.
Have you spent one hour of your entire life studying the history of miscegenation in America and world history?
Have you studied Franz Boas, a Jew, and his egalitarianism doctrine, which only came about in the last century? Have you discovered the research used to justify egalitarianism is heavily flawed?
One of us has studied deeply and thoroughly, the other believes the latest thing.
In your mind, study and careful research isn’t necessary, whatever pops into your head is truth and should be accepted by others.
Ryan, you are still stubbornly defending Lori Alexander, who like Merie, is teaching men. She is teaching in a public space and you are ‘learning’ from her. If you weren’t being taught by her you wouldn’t repost her teachings.
Lori specifically does not argue with men, her website and books are for women. She never speaks in church with men present. If we counted all of your false allegations there are dozens. I repost her teachings because she’s one of the best teachers of women in America. Unfortunately, because the women in Stanton who speak in Bible classes all disobey God, Lori is more righteous than they are. I don’t agree with her on everything, but that’s because her husband Ken doesn’t understand the history of Israel. It’s funny, women often pick men to lead them that are easiest… Read more »
Was Lori baptized for the remission of sins, as an adult, by immersion, confessing that Jesus is the son of God, repenting and then being added to the Church of Christ? Or don’t you believe that any more?
Are baptisms recognized by God when the church disobeys God? It’s a tough situation with Stanton. They have taught for years that if you offend in one point, you are guilty of the whole law. Well, where does that place them, after having offended with women refusing to be silent in the church for the whole history of Stanton? Do I believe that only the 1,500 or less Christians in Stanton are recognized by God out of all 8.5 billion humans? No, I don’t. I don’t have a problem with believing a few righteous people are going to heaven, as… Read more »
I thoroughly disagree with you about Lori Alexander not teaching men. She could easily have a members only blog for women and she and other women could teach only women, but for you to not see that she is teaching men and women in a public space is surprising, given your adamant stance on the subject. Plus, you are using her teaching, by quoting her, to teach men.
Her message resonates with men because she’s teaching God’s order. She is a rare woman that understands that submission to God’s will is the greatest power a woman possesses. It’s why we read glowing accounts of Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Rahab, Bathsheba, none of them tried to teach men. Even Deborah, a HUGE exception, only was an emergency leader when the whole nation was enslaved. She made no efforts to keep her leadership position, but anxiously sought out a man to lead. Lori has every right to teach women in a public space and with books. She’s under the authority of… Read more »
Now a woman sins if she teaches in a ‘formal’ public meeting where men are? Does that mean a woman could stand on a street corner proclaiming the good news since it’snot a formal meeting? Ciuld she speak on a radio broadcast? Could she pass out written material to men and women that she wrote?
What do 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 mean when they command women to stay silent in the churches? Women can knock on doors, but God understood; when women are given leadership positions, your entire church is now vulnerable to women being deceived, which is precisely what happened in Stanton. Of the two sexes women are far easier to manipulate with the media, schools, and propaganda. God aimed to protect her from her frailty, commanding her to let the men lead, so she would not be mislead. Unfortunately, women in America largely haven’t been taught this for over a… Read more »
It’s unlikely a single Talmudic Jew has commented on this website. But, we see why they are called “The People of the Book.”
They don’t need to fight and argue, they control the money and information and this allows them to control the minds of billions of humans.
And these humans who fight for Jewish interests don’t realize they are being used.
“It is a war between the Jews and the non-Jews!”
(Henry
Kissinger, quoted by Michael Wolff in ‘Fire and Fury, his book attacking Donald Trump: The Guardian – 3 January 2018)
So what is your plan to take down the Talmudic Jews?
Tell the truth about them, thank you. “To write is to wage war.” Voltaire The pen is mightier than the sword. The Jews rule the earth with their control of information. The greatest threat to them is anyone telling the truth about them. They don’t fear guns, violence, any weapons, because with their control of minds, whoever opposes them with force can easily be defeated. What they can’t defeat is a man with God who tells the truth about them. One man with God is a majority. VOLTAIRE – (LETTERS FROM 1771-1773) “WHY ARE THE JEWS HATED THEY EITHER HAVE… Read more »
Oy, gevalt.
Look, Leviticus, I’m guessing you’re a White woman in a mixed marriage.
That would explain your tenacity.
It’s no shame, it was brainwashing that normalized this.
It was forbidden before “Lovings vs. Virginia,” pushed by Jews in 1967.
I’ve lost my heart to many women who weren’t White, I was ignorant about the agenda to mix Whites out of existence.
You can’t fight against truth, you’re the fighting a losing battle. Were you lied to? Yes.
But if you persist in the lies, the fault is yours.
Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity’s Woes From Henry Makow’s website, he’s Jewish. Most of our problems can be laid at the doorstep of the Mason Jewish central banking cartel. “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve” by Eustace Mullins– A review “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.” —Thomas Jefferson by Henry Makow Ph.D, In November 1949, Eustace Mullins, 25, was a researcher in Washington DC when friends invited him to visit the famous American poet Ezra Pound, who was confined at St. Elizabeth’s Mental Hospital and listed as a “political prisoner.”… Read more »
Rabbi Col. Eyal Karim ✡️, chief rabbi of Israel’s IDF, recommends raping Gentiles.
“The rabbi gave a more shocking answer on the same site when asked if soldiers were permitted to rape women during war. Karim replied that, as part of maintaining fitness for the army and the soldiers’ morale during fighting, it is permitted to “breach” the walls of modesty and “satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will, out of consideration for the
difficulties faced by the soldiers and for overall success.”
perpetrators, not victims! JEWS STARTED WORLD WAR 1 The Jew Gavrilo Princip and his mostly Jewish co-assassins of the “Black Hand” Judeo-Masonic lodge, ignited World War 1. 25 million dead. JEWS STARTED WORLD WAR 2 Jews decared global “holy” war on Germany in 1933. 80 million dead JEWS CREATED (Rabbi Moses Hess and his disciple Manx), FINANCED (Rosenwald, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff, et al.), PROPAGANDIZED (Ehrenburg, Mikhoels, Khaldei, et al.), EXPORTED (Voitinsky, Kun, Eisner, Zimanas, Rozanski, Pijade, Rakosi, Olszewsi, et al.), AND RAN COMMUNISM (Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Litvinov, Andropov, et al.), THEIR SECRET POLICE (Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurowsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay,… Read more »
When did a law in the US become the Gospel?
“The highest form of ignorance is when Ryan writes on this blog.”
Socrates was talking about you 2,500 years ago.
“WHEN THE DEBATE IS LOST, SLANDER BECOMES THE TOOL OF THE LOSERS”
What book did the Founders of America quote the most in their writings? Did they have a far better grasp of history and the Bible than 99% of American men today? Have you read three biographies of the Founders? Can you name ten Founders of America? Is it possible to understand topics without ever studying them and then dismissing those of us who have as “Bigots, Racists, and White Supremacists?” At least you actually can spell Supremacist now, though you have no clear definition of what all three words mean. Not one of them, except bigot, was in the 1828… Read more »
How is Merie sending letters to congregations any different than Lori Alexander publishing books and distributing them along with public YouTube videos made for the masses? She is clearly teaching men, and likely some the men she is teaching are in her congregation.
Huge difference. Lori never speaks in Church, rarely did a class pass by without Merie having something to say. Merie never taught or lived that women should be silent in the church, Lori has done it for years. Also, men are responsible for books and anything their wives and children read, and for what they watch and the social media they are on, that isn’t a duty many men exercise with women teachers over the flock. When Lori attends church, the only time you hear her voice is when the service isn’t going on or when she’s singing. What woman… Read more »
Do you think just because Lori Alexander doesn’t teach men at church that she is worshiping in spirit and truth? Does she attend a church that has a paid preacher and musical instruments? Does she partake of the Lord’s supper every 1st day of the week?
I’m unsure about if the church has a paid preacher or musical instruments, but regardless, just like Uzzah was punished for trying to do the right thing and disobeying God, so too, there is no chance God respects a woman leaving her role to try to correct flaws she sees. Merie tried to remedy the paid preacher system and created a whole new problem, with women way out of order. As for the Lord’s Supper, I was unscripturally withdrawn from for 14 years, not taking the Lord’s Supper once. I can assure you the Holy Spirit is fine, and that… Read more »