No, you can’t withdraw from a nonmember.
On one facet of “withdrawal,” Merie was dead right, and current Stanton leadership is stunningly wrong in their quest to quash dissent. I remember her teaching that once someone leaves the church, the church can’t “withdraw” from them because they’ve already “withdrawn” themselves from the group. For this reason, the church cannot take disciplinary action against a nonmember. The sect has been apparently taking liberties with this, and stretching itself to extend its reach on disciplinary measures. They’ve even invented new forms of discipline to rise up to the task, like re-interpreting “mark and avoid” to fit their current desire to suppress dissent. But I’ll tell you right now, they are just sowing the seeds of tyranny. Here’s why.
What happens if your wife joins a crazy cult? Let’s use an example we can all agree on, like the Branch Davidians, or a Jim Jones type cult. She comes to realize that she wants out, because she doesn’t agree with the cult leaders anymore. She admits in private that she was deceived, but hasn’t had the courage to share that publicly, due to the fear and intimidation tactics of the cult. Instead of allowing her to leave of her own free will, and allowing her conscience to be her own guide, the cult members start using her family relationships to pressure her to stay in and keep her silent. Is that OK?
This is not theater of the mind. This is the reality of how cults work, to wit, Scientology (Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief). See any similarities?
Before you get your hackles up, I’m not arguing in this article that Stanton is a cult. That’s a subject for another time, but that’s not my point here. My point right now is that God has given us freedom of conscience and freedom of association. Those are natural rights from our Creator, codified by laws of men in our Constitution here in the U.S. We, by virtue of being humans fashioned in the likeness of God, are free to follow God or not. We can choose to associate with a particular church, sect, or even a cult, or not. We can likewise dissociate ourselves from former associations at any time. No one can make us a member of an organization we choose not to be a member of.
We each bear the consequences of these decisions, some good and some bad, but they are to be decisions freely made, and not under duress. As my parents used to say, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
How does that relate to the Stanton churches disciplining folks who have left their membership, or who do not consider themselves a member at all? It relates, because if a church can simply declare a nonmember to be a member against their will in order to withdraw from them, isn’t that disingenuous? If they can impose disciplinary measures on nonmembers, where does it stop? Isn’t that oppression in the truest sense of the word? I’ll tell you where this unbiblical nonsense stops. It doesn’t. It is just tyranny, plain and simple. It’s the crassest form of lording power over people.
This approach to church discipline runs 180 degrees counter to Merie’s teaching on the subject, and gives free license to the church to persecute dissenters outside their ranks. We’re not talking about real trouble-makers trying to split the church, mind you, like Merie was when she was withdrawn from by East San Diego Church of Christ in 1958. No, Stanton is in the habit of persecuting Bible-studiers for becoming question-askers. We’re talking about dissenters who are attempting to reform hearts and minds and bring them back to the simple gospel.
But if you ask the wrong questions, Stanton leadership takes pride in not responding to your arrogance in questioning their supposed authority. By contrast, Jesus asked a lot of questions of the Pharisees, and castigated them for not being able to give straightforward answers. There’s nothing wrong with asking honest questions, unless you are trying to obfuscate the truth.
Do we really want a society where a church is free to persecute nonmember family members of members, and to take disciplinary action against former members who no longer consider themselves members? Sorry, I subscribe to the Golden Rule here. If I don’t want someone encroaching on my freedom of conscience or freedom of association, I better not encroach on theirs.
Can Merie's church I want to call it Merie's cult expose or rebuke you for following this blog? Well I've been withdrawn from for murmuring and sowing seeds of discord just yesterday. I wasn't in attendance. I'm also a nonmember. I guess they made a new rule just for me. Haven't been told what I murmured about or how I sowed seeds of discord either. January after it was determined my baptism was not right I became a nonmember. I'd attend worship only to spend time with my family. Hearing the same ole stale sermons by the one preacher was becoming a waste of my time and I'd been looking into other churches. 19 years this preacher hasn't raised another that's consistent and can stay preaching go figure why Portland has had only 2 baptisms from the work in going on 8 years. Anyways from January till May the Sunday after May week as I visited and was leaving after worship this preacher pulled me aside and said the counsel I received in January was not right. I'd never had gone to this blog site before January though again I think the charges came from another source not from being on this blog. Either way it was said though the preacher said he never said it would be brought up before the congregation concerning my baptism. Huh that's a new one though he said I misunderstood though I know what he said. I said I'm not a member and he or I in a later text can tell the congregation that I was not. Saturday he said I'd be brought up for withdrawal. A nonmember has been withdrawn from. I don't know what this preacher and or teacher told whomever gave him the counsel which I did ask for name and number and still have not received it. Bottem line they are wrong , unrighteous just plain wicked. These two have lied publicly about me who knows what they said to their so called counselors of counselors. Just trying to destroy another family? When I began to do my research about this so called church I would've considered being rebaptized. Somewhere other than Portland though. What I discovered I could and would as I will teach my children and anyone I come into contact never get baptized into Merie's church. Those who are baptized are followers of followers of Merie. So a nonmember has been withdrawn from. I could as of Saturday in good conscience go back their again.
Correction on my last sentence I could never in good conscience attend their again.
What's interesting is that around 2010 and young preacher in California reproved in a talk at a meeting the old men as why was he up there teaching them when they should be up there teaching him.
Where I am from there is a preacher that has been in since the 70's who has dry sermons. It was nominated for him to go ta May Week and it was turned down by other leaders stating that the reps are supposed to be leaders who are more active in the church and teaching.
What I think is a detriment to a lot of leaders is the fact that there are Christians who actually do read and study the bible. In doing so they are seeing what scriptures and judgements really are. When you try to share what you learned or correct what is wrong you are met with resistance. Many times are told that knowledge and judgement are only dispensed by old preachers/teachers. If they don't see it that way by them they you are automatically wrong.
I read a lot of the articles written in the Truth Magazine from the 50s-60s and there are articles about the deterioration of what was being taught because of the lack of study. People resorted to just listening to the leaders than studying to find the truth themselves. Today, it seems that those who do study are marked if what they get from their studies reproves the leaders.
Wow Craig, what a difference this past year has made in your life since you have left this church/cult. You have reconnected with life,family and friends
and seen and participated in a healthy church. I am so proud of you son. And pray the rest of our family see the light. Blessings and love to you! Oh yes I remember being told I was not to use the word proud for some wacky reason or rule but here I am…Love you more than you know. Your Mother
Preacher text me and said I was the only one convinced I wasn't a Christian. This was on Saturday. I'd like to ask every member that question as of Saturday if that was a true statement. What I am convinced of is no one in Merie's churches is a Christian. Their own teaching condemns their own foundation. Followers of Merie are who they are. Ignorantly or not. So happy I'm a nonmember.
To add to my 5:52 post the preacher told me my baptism would be brought up before the congregation which he said I misunderstood which I did understand. Isn't it funny as a nonmember I have been bringing up questions about Merie's churches I've also had some criticism about them as well. Kevin has done a brilliant work in bringing out the proper scriptural understandings as well as I'll call it constructive criticism. Just change your false ways Stanton. Yet they seem not to be able to handle criticism. Yet that is all they do towards anyone outside of their ity bity membership. I've heard some members in talks or other means say their are lies being told on this blog. Why don't the TC, GP or KS bring out what's false than? Because their are no lies? I have compiled almost 200 questions for the big 3 I challenge them to come to Portland before the congregation and answer this nonmembers questions.
Thank you for sharing your story, Craig. It's unbelievable to me the lengths they are going to to crush any dissent. Let me know how your visits to local churches goes. God is good. Don't give up on Christianity because of this.
Thank you Kevin, I'm a seeker for sure just can't believe they chose to do this to a nonmember and to my family. I'm going to take legal action is my mindset to have my name removed from any affiliation with scoc. Legal action I would not do if I was a member. I do have 3 churches to visit as I will one this coming Sunday. I'm looking forward to it. Visited my mothers church this past Sunday. Excellent lesson. A room where I'd like to say had more spirit than I've seen in Portland in years. Going back to KG and MG. I have much more to my story to share.
Craig, WOW, this is exactly what we predicted on another thread here last week. I AM SO SORRY that happened to you. I wish you had left because if you have family there, it's going to hurt. Sadly, withdrawal doesn't do what it's supposed to, as they say, (make you think about your sin and repent) but rather it just forces you to agree with them so you can have your family back in your life.
I am curious what you mean by "going back to KG and MG". I doubt they can speak to you since you are withdrawn from, unless you show you are willing to say you're wrong in all that.
I recently ran into this scripture in 3 John 10
"10 So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church."
I am glad you are already looking elsewhere. Take heart, and as Kevin said, no church is perfect as it is made of humans, but there are a whole lot less judgmental and merciful people, I am finding out. And dare I say, they do not appear any less or more sinful than many in the SCOC, though many are probably in the plus on the greatest commandment.
Seeking remember I'm a nonmember really don't care what they think on that. January declared with their counsel twice with the preacher and the second time the teacher was their too. From that point on I attended only to be with my family and for all but one Sunday I left after worship. The last Sunday I went to fellowship was after Merie's name was referenced 5 times and this member says the first person she wants to see in heaven is Merie. That was disturbing. Never when I attended was I served communion. Thus proving in their eyes I wasn't a Christian. If they had doubts they would off errored on the side of safety and served me. If I was perceived to still be a Christian I'd think I'd been greeted by more members. Only once did the preacher approach the visitor me the nonmember to greet me. Teacher maybe twice. Wow. It wasn't till after May week preacher said they handled the counsel wrong. Don't trust him at all. Rather it's my blogging on this site or another source saying I murmured and sowed seeds of discord it all came from this May week and their changing doctrine or special rule for me. Discrimination. Won't worry about my kids they all can see this cults ways how the preacher and teacher children are favored. Fact as all my words are TC, GP and KS. Portland has never been the same since KG and MG left. Very few fellowships, very few baptisms, since they left only 6 baptisms in 19 years that are present members. 4 of them have been rebaptized at least once maybe more. They were left leaderless no fault of KG and MG
Yes KG is a good kind man in my experience. Too bad the churches aren't really autonomous!
Is the preacher in Portland MM?
Seeking…May 15, 2017 at 11:26 PM
Last I knew MM was preacher in Portland.
K and M G were always good to me. I first me them in Portland in the early 80s. I was able to talk to MG at the May Week in Tacoma. She asked me if the brethren we helping me in my situation and I told her I can't talk about that as I would have had to tell her no and that would have opened a whole can of worms. Unfortunately, she must have said something because a preacher I know from down south came to me making comments on it. I told him I always follow sound teaching. If I would have said the truth I believe I would have been withdrawn from and I have been threatened with it before and the preacher that threatened me denies he even did it. SMH
I agree, the churches are definitely NOT autonomous and they are kidding themselves if they think they are. 4 people run the show and everyone knows exactly who they are.
Yes MM is the preacher in Portland and should be removed for all the destruction he has caused over the years. For that matter the entire cult should be closed.
This is a very sad and frightening turn of events. Craig, I am very sorry to hear of your withdrawal after the church clearly recognized you as a nonmember. Remember this: unless the church has recently changed it's rules about needing a unanimous decision for withdrawals and other business, the decision was unanimous; there wasn't one person who openly disagreed with your withdrawal. The church makes up 'new' understandings to suit their purposes; silencing dissenters and scaring people into submission. This reminds me of the Tom and Dianne Collier fiasco in Des Moines, Iowa. Withdrawing from non-members… what next?
Kevin, there are so many thoughts crossing my mind on this post. I may have to comment more than once to put it all together. My first thought is that your example is very similar to my situation (though I bet it relates to us all in varying degrees). I was so bothered by what I was reading here, and comparing it to my own doubts and reviewing (examining!) my own experiences in Merie's church, I could no longer contain myself and told my family who was living in my home (husband and children) that I was leaving. My oldest, a new Christian, asked why, and I told her. I was passionate about it, as I am about many things I feel strongly about. She asked me to speak to counsel, and I told her I would before Sunday but that no one was changing my mind at this point. She agreed to give me time, but she became overzealous and that evening told the preacher, etc. I immediately texted them and told them by text to consider me fallen away. They tried to talk to me by text, with veiled threats of withdrawal. When my husband skipped the next week, he was texted the whole "dog/vomit" scripture. Yeah, that was really going to convince him!
Anyway, I heard there were rumblings that they were considering withdrawing from me. For whatever reason, they didn't, perhaps thinking my hubby would also leave, which he did anyway.
My oldest was immediately moved to a preacher's home and they gave up their master bedroom for her (love bombing, as mentioned, a cult tactic). They didn't even encourage her to live with her bio dad, a fellow Christian in Merie's church here in same congregation, though he is looked down on by the teaching brethren for being a flawed human. No, they have to keep her close and away from me. The Sunday after I left the worship was spent on teaching about me and my "stubbornness". And how "Google isn't your friend." (They dare not mention the actual name of this site! Poor Google got the blame for my fall!) The congregation was still told not to speak to me though I did not get withdrawn from (as you mentioned, the rules keep changing).
So yes, this is how cults work. This is not theater of the mind, as you said. Many of us are living it every day through our relationships. My daughter, my firstborn, who I gave so much to won't speak to me. I thank God for the babies he has given me to distract me from the hurt and give me hope for a different future away from this place but not away from God. God is good to give us a way out. He will take the blinders off my daughter as he did me. She is too much like me not to question things. Of that I am sure.
Thank you so much for sharing your story, Seeking. I believe the slow and steady drip of truth from stories like yours will bring the walls in people's hearts crumbling down eventually.
The funny thing is, that when I went there as a visitor almost 15 years ago, for years I fought my ex about it, pointing out that they were a cult and that there was some terrible fruit I didn't want my kids around. Part of my getting baptized there was that I wanted us to be united in important things, such as religion. I didn't want to fight about it anymore. The funny thing is my whole marriage to him literally was forced apart by their decisions (and those at the top), he lost an older son to withdrawal (and then literally lost his mind; he needed to be loved, not withdrawn from) and there has been so much more fallout due to this merciless group. MERCILESS!!! (for the record, I have a darling hubby now who more than makes up for this craziness I brought into our lives!!!)
Did I mention: MERCILESS!!!?
Seeking…May 16, 2017 at 12:42 PM
You aren't alone there in the congregation ignoring you. It seems that if there is nothing there to withdraw from you for the congregation is told to withhold their fellowship and time from you.
I had seen a lot of that. We see Jesus spending time with those who needed it because he was the physician, yet here we are exhorted to avoid those who we disagree with. In many times there is no sin. No sin committed and/or no sin being lived in.
There was a child of 18+ of one of the women, who has been in and out of the church since the early 80's, who brought her out of wedlock child around a fellowship. The congregation was reproved in class for saying "hi" to the child and her baby. It was said that it was like condoning her not being a Christian and living in sin.
Even though we wouldn't be unequally yoked together with her, should we set the example of what love and true Christianity is?
So another thought came to mind upon reading your points about our God-given and American freedoms. I am wondering if there is a possibility of putting a restraining order on the church, in regards to applying any of their "discipline" on those who have left, such as in Craig's situation. I know there have even been lawsuits in which a divorced man/woman sued the lover based on stealing their spouse's affections (alienation of affection law). Similar idea, since they are literally splitting families, stealing affections. Also, there are significant bullying and similar laws that one could refer to. I'm not saying I want to sue church members, but I am saying that when they are literally dividing your family, you have a right to defend yourself, since you can no longer go to the "leaders" or others at that point. Just a thought.
Interesting idea, for sure. I generally don't think Christians ought to be taking Christians to court, but I've also always believed the organizations we call "the church" in modern times are distinct from the membership. I'll give some thought to the concept.
Some thoughts seeking I know of a situation where one would've been withdrawn from but they did not come back. Never told not to talk to them. Another situation one fell away if they would've attended they'd been withdrawn from. They didn't sonknow withdrawal. 22 months later through the preacher said GP said he should've withdrawn from the second example so though they were not withdrawn from treat them as they were. This I always felt was wrong as in your case as well. Another new unbiblical rule. Makes you wonder where the Holy Spirit was with GP to misjudge it? I'll answer it far far from him. This always bothered my conscience to follow that teaching as I hope it would the members where you attended. Simply a shunning. As in my case they are 100% lying calling me a Christian when I am a nonmember. Obviously as you pointed out this was coming. Simply trying to silence me though their plan will backfire on them.
Seeking, also researched legal action. I know in my case I have a few charges for sure I can pursuit to clear my name of membership from Merie's cult
I am curious about how ya'll found this blog?
I heard GP dared anyone to get on it and to let him know that they did. Once It was determined in January that my baptism was not good I wanted to do some research about the church and took GP up on his dare. If I had his phone number I would've let him know but I do not. More members need to see this blog as well without fear of being withdrawn from. Daring someone sounds like a bully mentality and I don't like bullies. How do you take care of a bully as they say punch em in the mouth
To add to my 5:35 post for some reason it didn't publish. Certainly didn't mean punch a bully in the mouth literally in this case. Rather take him up on his dare and read the blog. As I've said before elsewhere and I'll continue to say who with a good conscience could continue in this cult after reading all the horrid events that had taken place in this groups history and its present
Many of us were having our consciences seared there. But by the grace of God we were able to see the damage Merie's Church has done and continues to do.
You have been rejected by the leader of the SCOC, as has many others. You thought that you were serving God but in reality you were serving a man, who is very good at hiding his control of the church as a whole, but he is in full control of the church and most do not realize this. Now that you are officially rejects it is time to sit down and find out just who God really is. All the commandments must be kept as much as possible and study is the most important. Study the four gospels and find out for yourself who Jesus was, what he taught, the kind of life he lived and make him the apple of your eye. God is good and those that persue after him find goodness. Life, spiritual life continues on after your time in the SCOC.
Anon can you tell us first how you found it?
Seeking, I googled Merie Weiss and found it. I would suspect that most current attendees have never heard of it OR are scared to read it. If there are current attendees reading it they don't dare share the fact they read it. If kevin published the newest readership stats people could be incriminated. It would be interesting to see the stats but publishing them would be unwise. Nobody wants to be withdrawn from and after hearing what craig is going through nobody is 'safe'.
I missed the fact that Kevin updated the stats today. Those stats are not at all incriminating. The stats I was concerned about are about location by state.
There is a recorded talk on here about him talking about this blog.. I know there is a Facebook page too but I understand it has been made private from the church now? .. Does anyone know if that Facebook page is still out there? I'd like to be a part of it.. I found this blog 2 years ago by always searching on people and merie…when I found this it felt like I hit the jackpot and set me free from all my worries!
Anon 6:47, email me and I can tell you what I know about the Facebook confusion. 🙂 Glad you found the blog!
I would like to see either another facebook page started or better yet a forum with threads of discussion. I feel that the new comments get easily lost.
On the web version the latest comments are on the right side. Can't see them in the mobile version. In mobile, scroll down to bottom of page n click web version.
I found it because a few of us were discussing Merie's letters and I had found a few PDFs on DCWs website years ago so I thought I'd pull them up again. Turns out Google IS my friend, after all. Get with Kevin privately on the FB one. There's another FB one but some of those people are super negative and mock God, not necessarily Merie's Church.
And yup, we did hit the jackpot!
To add to my 11:00 post the 6 baptisms in 19 years I referred that are currently attending are from the work
To GP, TC and KS let's stop playing games with my marriage and my family. Your unbiblical, unrighteous and downright fraudulent withdrawal of me a NONMEMBER is also affecting nonmember family. Way to go let your darkness of this cult to not shine. Brilliant you are not. Okay got that out of the way. Lift my withdrawal I don't want no association with your evil group. Legal action is coming to clear my name that is all I want. I'd never even consider being a member. I do not recognize the withdrawal anyways. No one even told me. Finally got it out of my wife. You mark me I will not recognize that either. Because I'm a NONMEMBER. (360)721-2352, craigcusick52@gmail.com let me know what changed since January TC, GP and KS. I'll tell you what changed. Nothing. Don't know what the two told you at the May meeting they both had no problem publicly rebuking me with lies who knows what they told you to try to get me to go away. Not going anywhere though tell this is settled.
My son told me about this church just recently. I was in total shock although after reading most of all of this website and thinking about it and the years they were involved in this church some things are explained now and I think it is a cult. I pray my daughter in law and children get out of here before it is too late. She is willing to lose her husband and family for this sick unhealthy church? I can't believe it. She will lose everything and for what? Not for God that is for sure. For a cult. This is like a bad movie. In fact I would love to have a movie made from their story. My prayer is she is strong enough and her love for her husband and her family strong enough she will leave. My son would do anything for his wife and family but finally he saw the light. God loves him and so do I and his family will always be there for him.
I need to add "I pray she is strong enough to leave this cult and her love for her husband and children strong enough that she will leave". I would not call it a church. Otherwise she has betrayed her husband and forgotten her wedding vows.
Anon 900 I almost thought you were MY mother in law at first, that is how similar so many of our stories are. Please remember a lot of people there think they are truly doing right by God. Treat her as best you can with love. Initially my family n in-laws were dismayed at my choices with the church and my looking down at them. Someone was praying because I finally was able to see that place for what it is. I wish you all well and hope Craig and his family can come out of this intact.
Just remember the truth will set you free! And something else is open communication . Looking forward to seeing our family whole again and we will all be stronger and healthy again! I had no idea all this was going on over these years. No wonder so many have health issues with stomach,headaches,etc.
Step one into a cult is love bombing the new recruit. Love bombing is not one thing but a whole group of behaviors to make the individual feel unconditionally loved and accepted. The fantasy of all love is taught in the first stage. Stage two is the enslavement phase and is done incrementally "you don't take off what you put on" until all of the recruits time and money are taken away. Nothing the new recruit does is acceptable and is constantly asked to do more or give more. Stage three is the rebellion stage where the slave rejects their master and seeks freedom outside the cult group. Same pattern for every cult their is.
It is a beautiful day and I have the joy of the Lord in my heart. Yes, I said joy! I am reading nearly every word of this blog and opening my eyes to the way my son and family have been living nearly all of their marriage. I love my family! I know that God will heal the hurt,pain and misunderstanding and miscommunication that has gone on in this cult. They will be free one day (maybe not in my life time) but I have faith they will all be free. My husband would have (if he were alive ) a big smile on his face about the fact my son and grandson have seen the light! And someday all will follow. Praise God! A concerned Mother and Grandmother
Thank you for reading, and I'm glad you have some faith in God for the future of your family. I am writing an article right now addressing the perspective of friends and loved ones of people in the sect. I'm finding more and more family members reading this blog. Stay tuned.
An leader with a superiority complex, the arrogant, will never say anything good about another person. How do you know when you have done something good or acceptable in their opinion? Silence. With the arrogant, who will not say anything good, then by default silence becomes approval. If the arrogant disagree with something you have said or done the are very quick to correct you. When the federal employee in the Stanton CA congregation stood up to give a talk and spoke about slapping his daughter at the dinner table, and the wrong daughter got slapped by mistake, the Evangelist sat there in silence, this is how I knew he approved of child abuse by teachers. A righteous leader, one who followed his conscience would have stood up and told the federal employee to sit down because child abuse is not edifying, but the evangelist sat their in silence giving his approval. Obedience to authority is all the arrogant care about, not the poor, and certainly not children, nor God or his son Jesus Christ, nor any of the commandments of God. When child abuse is as common as pancakes in a church it is time to take your children and run away as fast as you can, nothing good will happen when the arrogant are in charge.
A present evangelist?
The evangelist in Spring valley is arrogant calling himself a "control freak". Domination and control are they identifying marks of an arrogant person. The evangelist in Spring Valley has also said that even if someone is right "do not give them any satisfaction" again an arrogant attitude to refuse acknowledging the truth to remain in a position of superiority over others. Yes it was the evangelist in Spring Valley who sat in silent approval in 2002 when the talks about slapping children in the face were given.
Anyone have audio of the 2002 talks about slapping children in the face?
The first talk was done by John Grotroe and he was ashamed of his behavior. The man following him, the federal employee in Stanton, made his comments before giving his talk and I do not believe they were recorded as part of his talk.
Have it. Will upload by tomorrow.
Sorry the talks were stripped of that one.
I still have a lot of talks still on tapes and discs that I will look through. Anybody know the name of the talk?
There is a danger in listening to the recorded talks: that is how the unscriptural teachings are spread and if you start listening to cassette tapes instead of studying your bible you will become deceived. Paul the Apostles taught in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 that if any will not work they should not eat; the exact opposite is taught in many of the lessons. Parasites, and those that choose to live the parasitical lifestyle, are true burdens to others and some men in the church choose to be parasites rather than working full time and practicing money management. I was discouraged from working overtime, discouraged from working a part time job on Saturdays, and discouraged from seeking a supervisory position at work, all which would have provided much needed pay for my family. How does a man provide for his family when he is restricted from working for pay? Become a parasite: one man, used to go around at tax time and ask others "how much of that money is for the brethren?", Another man had the habit of borrowing members vehicles and bringing them back empty on gas, others would borrow money from babes and never repay the loans, and other would boast of all the free auto repair they received as teachers, I say: parasites all. Examples given were: I had an aunt die, whom I never knew, leave me 8,000 dollars; thus teaching that instead of working just wait around until someone dies and you will receive money. I work 25 hours a week and receive full welfare benefits, thus teaching slothfulness pays more than diligence. Men are to work and support their wives and children and other needy Christians through giving into the collection plate. The examples set is one of: look how good I got it as a teacher, I work very little and have the blessings of free tow truck repair and free home repair from the brethren, but is really saying: become a teacher and you too can exploit the brethren's hard work and take it easy: a parasite. Many single mom's and children went without while men were allowed to be slothful. Other false teaching such as child abuse bot physical and verbal are taught in these lessons. I would say to all: do not become a cassette tape Christian rather become a Bible studying Christian and throw away all of the cassette tapes you have.
All this sickens me.. I knew some of this.. But to actually teach someone to wait till someone dies…sick sick sick! And people accept this junk! Unreal…. Just unreal! They want nothing to do with the so called worldly people but they would sure take their money… Lol
It was the example set by a teacher during a talk, he was boasting, implying that God was blessing him with 8,000 dollars; and he was the same one who encouraged a twenty five hour work week to get more government benefits and many men followed his example and neglected their wives and children financially hoping for a big inheritance too. The scriptures say different in Proverbs 13:11 he that gathers by labor shall increase, it is by labor that men are to provide for their families and not time and chance (yes government benefits are helpful but benefits should not be used as an excuse to be slothful). I get vexed when I see men being babied in the church. That poor man has to provide for his family and edify the church so he should work less, and yet I look at single moms who work, and keep the home, and study to edify the church and they get no support, poor man? The single moms do more than the men. The cassette tapes can replace a persons daily study and the christian does not realize that he/she has stopped following God and substituted a man for God thus creating an idol out of the cassette tape. I do not listen to tapes of talks given the Bible is my main study and I get new understandings each time I study. Judgments change but cassette tapes do not; many have heard a Merie tape and then said "Merie said" and run with it without understanding the context in which is was spoken, again another misdirection away from God. Christianity requires having a backbone to go against teachers who substitute cassette tapes for their studies and then you are labeled as "stubborn" for holding to the word of God.
I remember hearing how welfare was put in place to benifit Merie's followers. Yes, don't challenge your teachers or else you'll get in trouble even though what you bring to them is correct. Who's the stubborn?
Some different ways Merie's cult and dictators handled and handles withdrawals rather they are righteous or more commonly unrighteousness. You commit a sin deemed to be withdrawn from and you come to the meeting you are withdrawn from. Don't dare object right GP, TC and KS. If you don't come to your withdrawal meeting you may or may not be withdrawn from. If you were not withdrawn from GP may up to 22 months later and declare I should've withdrawn from them. Treat them as they are withdrawn from. Someone withdrawn from declares they are not a member but the preacher declared they are going to make them go through their withdrawal before discussing their baptism. Preacher can put time limits on how long the withdrawn stay withdrawn. And even if a member leaves and is not withdrawn from other members are told not to talk to them. They withdraw from nonmembers. Kevin's articles on withdrawal are spot on. Help me understand why would they tell their membership to treat those who leave their cult not to talk to them? Especially when the ones who leave want nothing to do with the cult. Good people and families are affected by these unrighteous decisions. Is the dictatorship in fear of those who leave. If you have the truth GP, TC and KS what is their to fear. Obviously you know you don't and you will be exposed for all the ugly deeds you continue to practice.
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Why would Kevin be hard up for money? That's a silly immature statement. It's what is known as spamming. It happens all the time on blogs, nothing new.
Wisdom is a behavior that is seen when a person exercise self restraint. Foolishness is a behavior that is seen when a person does not exercise self restraint. A glutton is a person with an unrestrained desire and the desire can be for food, work, or any of a number of other things. The wise will restrain the desire not to nothing or zero but rather to that which is good. (Proverbs 11:23) In our minds if we will restrain our desires to just what God's law allows we develop wisdom through self restraint. If I only desire my spouse and reject all other persons as desirable we become faithful to not only our spouses but also to Gods law. Many of the ten commandments given to the Hebrews by Moses were of self restraint as they begin "thou shalt not…". Many of the proverbs show the difference between the wise and the fool with the restrained behaviors and the unrestrained behaviors. Implacable is a behavior that is seen in a person who cannot be calmed down, they are angry and there is no appeasing them, it is an unrestrained emotional state. Implacable is one of the 23 behaviors listed in Romans 1:29-30 from the sin of uncleanness. My first teacher, the tow truck preacher was implacable; that is he would get angry and go on a two hour or longer tirade during bible classes and worships services, and he would stay angry sometimes for days. I can not deduce however if he had a problem with uncleanness himself or if he was following the example of an older teacher who was implacable toward him and he adopted the unrestrained behavior as an example to follow. Either way the example was followed by many who were under his teaching and the followers became implacable themselves. As the branch bends so grows the tree, one bad example is followed for generations until some one stands up and says this is not righteousness, and demands Christians to exercise restraint.
I was instructed when I was a babe in the church not to be looking around at others but to look at myself in all matters and this caused a great blindness in me and in others. In the book of proverbs it gives many warnings about the wicked, the fools, and others who will willingly and unwillingly do you harm but I always wondered how to identify these dangerous people and then avoid then,(and especially not become a dangerous person myself.) The book of proverbs gives many identifying behaviors of both the wise and the fools and the righteous and the wicked, and by observing others behaviors you can understand if they are worthy of your friendship and socialization or not. Observation is one of the first steps into wisdom as the sluggard is instructed to go to the ant (and observe and copy the ants behavior) but by instructing the new members not to be observant they are kept in the dark, that is ignorant. Once you start observing others behaviors and then comparing those behaviors to the identifying behaviors in the scriptures you begin to understand where you are and where others are. Once you start observing behaviors it is only a small leap to observe your teachers and preachers behaviors and wonder why they are not following the scriptures. Proverbs 19:21 it states that there are many devices in a mans heart and this device (a trick or shortcut) can be seen with the Pharisees teaching about how to forsake the requirement of requiting (paying back) one's parents by offering a gift and then you were free this device allowed them to circumvent God's commandments. In the SCOC they used a device whenever they did not want to follow the bible and that was with one brother/one sister teaching. Yes the Bible does say to do that but one brother did that and it did not work out so that is why we don't follow that part of the Bible, just like the Pharisee's they have created a trick to not obeying the scriptures in their congregations. God is great and reveals many of the wicked's devices when you study.
And the members actually go along with the so called one brother one sister reasoning.. Crazy!
Maybe everyone celebrating Christmas. The blog has slowed down missing Kevin. Happy New Year!
Love every one of you! Hope you are doing well with the blessings of the Lord!
One of the biggest stumbling blocks I was taught is that God is not good. When you do not believe in the goodness of God you lose interest in your salvation very quickly. I finally realized that my teacher was not God or the personification of God but rather just a man. A man who was very self centered and got jealous of anyone else who got any attention while he was present, and he used insults, put downs, and any other type of belittlement to make you look bad so he could once again be the center of attention. Today I do believe in the goodness of God and that as Romans 8:28 says all things work together to the good to them that love God; what ever I am going through good or bad is working a virtue in me whether I realize it or not, (and not just that Christians do not have car accidents unless they are hiding sin). God has a cup for each and everyone of us and he fills it with blessings or cursing's according to our obedience or disobedience, and pours it out into our live repeatedly. I now am able to enjoy the blessings from God which come as a result of my obedience to his precepts, and no longer do I wonder why God only gives out cursing's because I know now that my first teacher was a liar and a false teacher and knew nothing of the greatness of God.
Yes probably spending time with family since so many of us didn't do it for years… that's what this holiday season is for! To treasure those who truly love you and are there for you no matter what … even when we treated them harshly or in a judgemental way because of the cult.
Here's to 2018… happy New year to you all, and may it bring peace and joy in truth!
It is sad you were treated the way you were and thank goodness you got away Anon 12/30.
I have been a Christian for years and never think about God cursing me. What a joy Christmas can be if we don’t have to put up with family members in the cult as was always a depressing downer. Praying for some joy in each of you that has escaped and happiness. And Praying for those left behind that God will reveal to them the real truth! Happy New Year!
Thank you. As I go through the book of Psalms I read of the great relationship David had with God, how he so freely made his requests know to God and how he said God loaded him daily with blessings, and how different a church under oppression is. When prayer requests were made it became a source of ammunition for persecution and not a source of help; as a result fewer and fewer prayer requests were made. I often have to stop and ask myself when reading the book of Psalms where is this God that David keeps talking about? I want to know him too! Then I realize that God being faithful has always been there but the false teaching of constant discouragement blinded me to his daily blessings and guidance. It is great to see God working in my life and in others for their good and not their destruction.
2017 was a big eye opener concerning Merie’s church. With a clear understanding that I’d only gotten wet 20 years ago and being a nonmember I had no problem checking into what this church is really about. Disregarding the bully paid preacher from SV and his threat I chose to do my do diligence and apply my God given right to read this blog. What I read sicken me to think I was involved with this as I know now cult. As Kevin’s last article titled the real off church I could now easily prove as such. How disingenuous these leaders, preachers and teachers are for keeping information that should rightly be given to visitors and those who yikes become new members. 2018 hoping this cult gets exposed to the fullest and that many members see the truth, leave and experience a real church.
I am so proud of you son and how you are moving forward with your life as we all pray for our other family members to see real truth. 2018 is going to be a great year. We have sunshine which makes me want to write and journal about m y own life with Jesus. Remember all who are reading this The Promises of God. 1 Kings 8:56 and many many others. I wonder if they ever discussed them? Happy New Year!
If you have not studied The Promises of God I encourage you to do so.
In my studies of human behavior I find very clear indicators of future behavior in Solomon's Proverbs. In Proverbs 6:26 it mention that the adulteress will hunt for the precious life and having read a few tales of adulteress whom convinced their paramours to kill their husband it rings true. An adulteress will seek for the precious life, that is the good life, the rich life, and will resort to killing if necessary to get it. One woman raised in the seven day Adventist religion and married to a leading preacher simply went through the church records of tithing's which listed each members income, asset's, and debts and found the richest man in her church, an eye doctor and went after him, and got him, and divorced her husband and he divorced his wife and then this adulteress drove him into bankruptcy very quickly and then had her next boyfriend kill him for the life insurance money. A woman who is covetous, that is in love with money will commit adultery and then murder and so I find that the love of money is the root of all evil but it may not be in yourself but in the woman you are in love with, best to avoid covetous partners in the first place. Read the story of Sharon Nelson and her double murders by Gregg Olsen.
Should I allow contact from SCOC active members after separating in 2002? I avoid the more aggressive members from the Phoenix group and I can't believe the preacher from Albuquerque has anything good to say. The preacher from Albuquerque refused to take my phone calls or council with me for the last six months I was active, this is silent rejection and wisdom teaches that when people reject you you are to reject them in return. John the Baptist was a gate keeper, he demanded fruits of repentance from the Pharisees who came to his baptism, this was to prove their sincerity and it separated the wheat from the chaff, that is it separated the sincere from the insincere. After Phoenix started giving extra support to the evangelist by not only paying Phoenix part of his support but the Stanton part as well he went soft on sin and it was noted by many members. Soon the gate keeps became slack and the gate opened wide and convicted sex offenders on parole were baptized into Prescott and other insincere members returned and were accepted into Phoenix. I keep the gate to my life strait (narrow) and will not let insincere people contact me.
Hi everyone! I have a question I would like to throw out there, and have you all share scriptures that would answer it.
When a member of a “church” KNOWS they teach man-made doctrines and they recognize there is controlling/ oppression issues within, what does the scripture say about continuing to be a part of that “church”?
For me Donna I start with ecclestics 3 there is a time and season for everything. There is a time to suffer under oppression but there is a time to speak against it. When the oppression turns criminal like physical abuse, defrauding the Lord's treasury, stalking brethren and reporting back to the oppressive leader your every word or action, then it is time to get out. My children were abused at church babysitting and today my daughter is 21 and displaying the same behaviors of her abuser, the cycle of abuse is hard to break, it would be easier to prevent the example of abuse in the first place. Christ had to endure the oppression of the Pharisees and when they wanted to kill him he was able to escape and when an oppressive environment turns violent it is time to flee. I have endured oppression on the job, at home from neighbors, and in the SCOC today I will not tolerate abuse and have filed grievances for hostile work environment, called the police out to deal with the neighbor, and have gotten up and walked out of an abusive church and encourage others to do the same when faced with abuse.
Thank you Anon 7:22. I pray that more members of Stanton “churches” flee before things turn violent, but I understand why so many of us endured years and even decades of oppression. To me it comes down to that sect stealing people’s identity when they instil in you NOT TO LISTEN TO YOUR HEART. When we believe lies because we were taught not to trust our own judgement, we don’t see leaving as an option.
A scripture that was used against all the “false religions” with Stanton’s group was 2 John 9-11Anyone who does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring THIS teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
Yes Donna and with 2 John 9-11 people can be in full fellowship and attend every church function and not have God due to their own disobedience the Pharissee were an example of this, they were some of the most religious people on the face of the earth and yet the most wicked killing the Christ.
Donna to me Matt 15:14 is a good verse. It tells you what to do with people who teach their own rules/doctrines.
"Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
So we do what Christ himself commanded here. Leave them.
M Long: that is a good one. When people are so controlled and fearful to leave, but are ‘sitting on the fence’, I believe that scripture is the second best answer for their rescue- prayer being the first.
Everyone please pray for those who are still captive by man-made doctrines. Pray that they can know the true doctrine of Christ based on love, the greatest commandment. Matthew 22:36-40
What a good discussion Donna. It gives me hope that my family members may someday leave.
For me it was –
Matthew 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
"people can be in full fellowship and attend every church function"
What was going on was that this is what many of the teachers, and through them, many of the members were doing the same thing of judging people's righteousness by their attendance. There was an older brother, who was hurt and it hindered much of his movement and somebody said that was a great encouragement to them to see them, "pushing their flesh" to go. Another sister in another congregation broke their leg and it was hurting them so much one night they were going to stay home, but another member stayed convincing them they need to go.
In looking at all of this it seems this is what defines Christianity to some. Your presence no matter how physically disabled you are. It seems that when you leave off of spirituality you only have carnality to base and judge things on.
At the last May Week in Tacoma, one of the visiting preachers stayed the night at a brother's house who was raised in the church and was at one time preaching. In their May Week talk they mentioned practically how righteous this brother was because all the cupboards in his kitchen were organized with all the can labels pointing out in unison. It wasn't shared how much he studied, how much he was involved in classes or the Lord's table, nor how much time he devoted to taking care of brethren who needed it, but his cupboard was organized. There is something very missing there.
Now stretch this over the various classes, worship, dealing with brethren, etc and realize how much carnally minded brethren you are dealing with when you need spirituality and edification.
Oppression is very alive in Merie’s cult. Just ask the Tacoma member’s and the teacher who applied it. Well she’ll have some time to think about it. Very disturbing things I heard throughout my 20 years which many had a common denominator. Oppression.
A new topic should be on identifying secret or hidden teachings within the SCOC. Through observation I have identified some such as a new member is not allowed to have friends outside the church this is taught as we don't fellowship with the world and you are going to be kicked out because we shall judge our brethren. Studying false religions I see the same or similar hidden rules in their groups, false religions like the oneness Pentecostal group and the Jehovah witness. Hidden teachings do exist and are used against fellow members.
Anon 6:22- It is true SCOC have hidden doctrines- hidden until they feel like they have you captive, and then they come out with the man-made “judgements and doctrines’ that you wouldn’t believe unless your mind has been clouded by so-called “LOVE”. Hidden doctrines such as rules for the marriage bed are kept from ‘babes’. I remember, very vividly, a brother who was trying to help, who made copies of May meeting questions and handed them to everyone at class, including BABES. He about lost his head over that one!
SCOC goes to great lengths to snare new members, just as Matthew 23:15 – they compass the land and sea to make one convert, then they make them two-fold more the child of hell than themselves!
I used to believe that too, in that we ignore our friends and family, until I studied more on this verse –
Luke 16:7-9
7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Even though we are not unequally yoked together with this world, we still shouldn't burn our bridges. There will be time when we may have to depend on them for help. Also, how can I help to convert the lost if I treat them as such?
I cannot even imagine going to church and having oppression all around me. Once again I mention so many health problems in the cult I am familiar with and even though I am not a doctor I do have common sense and can see how some of these health issues can be eliminated if they could just break away and live a normal life. And this tattle tale issue is another sick example.
Ezekiel chapter 33 was often used, I believe, as a way to convince members to tattle on others to the teachers. These same scripture will apply to those who know false doctrines are being taught , but who sit on the fence and ignore the facts. Warnings are not only blatant outcries, but the nudges from the Holy Spirit.
I have used this to apply in these situations and teaches me how to be, as well.
Ezekiel 34:1-4
1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
This is the way that is should be –
Ezekiel 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Malachi 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
Lynn: I think about these verses and the serious consequences there would be for not abiding by these laws. Stanton is too busy building anyone up in pride that they don’t have time for helping the infirmed. As soon as someone shows their loyalty to their teachers by tattling, they begin grooming them for responsibility and “teaching” and preaching. This cult does not teach anyone to fear God, but they teach to please men among them. It’s no surprise that pornography is a problem in their ranks because FEAR doesn’t change a man truly. Love and respect for God brings true changes. Hidden, secret sins are just that, hidden and secret. Their protocol makes no room for those who are weak spiritually, they don’t know how to HELP anyone. Think about this, if a preacher went to “an older one” and wanted help overcoming a secret sin, they would be humiliated, sat down, called out publicly, and their name smeared across the country.
On the other hand, if the same individual went to a pastor or elder in my church, (yes, my church has at least a dozen elders) those who are strong would HELP THE WEAK. They would not castigate and belittle the man who sought help. They would do all they could to lift him up. ‘Men’ in Stanton are set up for failure because as they take responsibility they are in for serious ups and down of being favored by their teachers. We are all human. We ALL have our faults (except the “teachers and preachers and older ones” of Stanton). Stanton “breaks its members.
..who say ,” Keep away; don’t come near me, I am to sacred for you!” Such people are a smoke in my nostrils, a fire that keeps burning all day.
Keep praying for those within their ranks. Pray there would be those who really want God’s help through His mercy and love.
I meant to post the verse of the scripture I referred to-
Isaiah 65:5
If I remember correctly BB was always being tattled on by YOU. Why, because you believed the scripture and were duped? Or because it gave you a sense of power against your husband.
That happened to me in that I counsel with the "Preacher from the south" about an area that I was having to deal with with my wife in helping keep the house clean and he told me to leave her. The next Sunday his wife ripped me a new one in morning class. Between the both of the I received no help and I never counseled with them again. Many times is was brought out in classes that I wouldn't. So, when PC was in town I counseled with her about something and shared that with another brother and that made it around until a good portion of the Sunday sermon was based on it. That preacher murmured against her counsel and nobody would do anything about it.
You are correct, they don't know how to help, or they don't want to. Helping people actually takes time an energy. It is easier to oppress people into doing what you want than to lead and work with them. It's interesting how that Jesus was called the "Physician" and was called one for a reason.
But….do you all still believe that salvation is only in the C of C. I don't mean the SCOC.
This whole debate about salvation through a specifically named church comes about as a result of a deep misunderstanding of what the "church of Christ" really is. Back in the 1800's, when Thomas Campbell, and later, Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, et al, used that term, they meant it not as a proper noun, but as a description. It was the "church belonging to Christ" not the "Church of Christ."
Jesus' church, made up of all saved believers throughout the world, is not Biblically a denomination (a named organization). It is only a spiritual body of individuals, and there is no physical way for us humans to know precisely who is "in" and who is "out."
Men and women who are believers and followers of Jesus should want to gather together with other believers in order to encourage each in love and good works, among other things. This is where we get congregations, which with slightly different connotation, are called churches. In this way we have "the church at Corinth," "the church at Rome," etc. In later years, when sectarianism set in, we started naming those bodies of believers distinctively, and put signs on the door to differentiate—but those are human designations, with human rules for deciding who's "in" and who's "out." I have news for you—if you believe your church has a name, it is a denomination, whether you say it's non-denominational or not. To denominate it means to name it.
Here's another way of putting it: Alexander Campbell sought to unify the Christians in the sects (denominations). If there were no Christians in those sects, the Stone-Campbell Movement wouldn't exist today. And if there were Christians in those sects then, what makes you think they aren't there now?
I'll quote Campbell directly on this subject:
Alexander Campbell – "Dear sir, this plan of making our own nest, and fluttering over our own brood; of building our own tent, and of confining all goodness and grace to our noble selves and the "elect few" who are like us, is the quintessence of sublimated pharisaism. The old Pharisees were but babes in comparison to the modern: and the longer I live, and the more I reflect upon God and man–heaven and earth–the Bible and the world–the Redeemer and his church–the more I am assured that all sectarianism is the offspring of hell; and that all differences about words, and names, and opinions, hatched in Egypt, or Rome, or Edinburgh, are like the frolics of drunken men; and that where there is a new creature, or a society of them, with all their imperfections and frailties, and errors in sentiment, in views, and opinions, they ought to receive one another, and the strong to support the weak, and not to please themselves. To lock ourselves up in the bandbox of our own little circle; to associate with a few units, tens, or hundreds, as the pure church, as the elect, is real Protestant monkery, it is evangelical pharisaism."
Alexander Campbell – "I have tried the pharisaic plan, and the monastic. I was once so straight, that, like the Indian's tree, I leaned a little the other way. And however much I may be slandered now as seeking "popularity" or a popular course, I have to rejoice that to my own satisfaction, as well as to others, I proved that truth, and not popularity, was my object; for I was once so strict a Separatist that I would neither pray nor sing praises with any one who was not as perfect as I supposed myself. In this most unpopular course I persisted until I discovered the mistake, and saw that on the principle embraced in my conduct, there never could be a congregation or church upon the earth."
Alexander Campbell – "I have no idea of adding to the catalogue of new sects. I labor to see sectarianism abolished and all Christians of every name united upon the one foundation upon which the apostolic church was founded."
Donna, do you believe the above? You go to a C o C now, I think you said….do they believe that you can be saved outside of the C o C doctrine on baptism for instance.
I have to disagree with Kevin on one part and that is how to identify the true believer and that is through their behavior. I have met believers who have all the fruits of the spirit, including understandings of the scriptures in groups other than the SCOC and I have known members of the "I knew Marie club" who have none of the fruits of the spirit but rather personify Satan. It is by their behaviors the righteous and wicked are identified both in and out of the COC's. Babes are taught not to look at others but at themselves and this blinds the analytical thinking required in older Christians. There is a time to only look at oneself and there is a time to look at others behavior and analyze it against scripture and make the appropriate judgement to accept or reject.
Anon 1:56, with what do you disagree? I agree with your comment above completely.
My bad I misunderstood a part of your post.
Anon 11:58 I do belong to a Church of Christ and I do believe there are Christians in other churches because I have met many people who are followers of Christ and have witnessed the sacrifices they are making, which is far greater than anyone in the SCOC. I have heard ‘their story’ and have been amazed how God is working in their lives. God is MUCH bigger than the box the SCOC puts him in- because He is not limited to that tiny sect of individuals as to who He hears the prayers of.
Donna, that''s not what was asked. does the coc you go to "believe that you can be saved outside of the coc doctrine on baptism". Does "their story" include that they followed acts 2:38.
Anon 4:18 the church I attend teaches that baptism is nessasary for salvation, but we also do not condemn those to Hell who believe differently. Does God want us to abide by the letter of the law, or does He want our heart? He will judge.
Anon 4:18, why don't you say exactly what *you* believe rather than trying to pin down Donna on what her church "believes." I have news for you, "churches" don't believe anything, they are simply legal entities for tax purposes. People believe things, not organizations. I'm pretty confident that the people who attend Donna's church believe a pretty wide spectrum of things regarding salvation.
That said, I have been clear on this site that I believe a person needs to believe and obey the gospel as in Acts 2 in order to be saved. Can God, in his infinite wisdom, make exceptions to that? Of course. But that's above my pay grade.
I would also add that most believers in today's Christian culture have been immersed.
so donna, if "baptims is necessary for salvation", but if someone believes differently, then they are not saved? K…isn't gods infinite wisdom found in his words
Anon 642 Donna and Kevin have both answered your question. And God's infinite wisdom may be found in the Bible but because it's humans without infinite wisdom who read and interpret it, well, therein lies the issue.
What is at issue here is not the method of salvation (which is baptism) but rather is the Marie sect, the one true church as it claims. The answer is in their behavior. If a church substitutes criticism of others for biblical doctrine is it still a true church? Not in my experience, what it is doing is feeding its members faith in their own supremacy rather than feeding their members faith in God. Once a church departs from the strictness of the gospel it is downward ride into Hell. When I went out from my dying church it no longer used any scripture but popular sayings, the teaching preacher telling me that I should forsake my family because "they" said it is better, quoting a news report that week. No scripture was given, no example of men who were blessed for abandoning their families, nothing godly used at all. The proverbs apply equally to men and women though genders are used, in proverbs 7 it speaks of a murdering who're but there is equally murdering whoremongers, men who kill women. The proverb says it is better to dwell in the wilderness than in a house with an angry and contentious woman equally it is better for a woman to dwell in the wilderness than in a house with an angry man. For me the man was the teaching preacher and the house was the house of God, I dwell in the wilderness serving God rather than be in an abusive environment.
M Long, that's exactly right. Anon 6:42, words are like pixels rendering an image. The image in the mind of the artist is perfect, but the pixels, and the device they are rendered on, limit how clear the pixels convey the artist's intent.
So it is with words. God's thoughts are perfect. Words are imperfect vehicles for those thoughts, and humans are even more imperfect as interpreters of those thoughts. We vary in intelligence, education, ideological biases, etc.
Yes Kevin and I find God is not limited to his word as we humans are. An example is seen in Matthew where Christ teaches that if any would deny him before men then Christ would deny him before God and later in Matthew we read of Peter denying Christ before men and he was not condemned but forgiven, truly God is greater than his law because he shows mercy and forgives, and we should do the same. Another example with Peter in Acts 12 is how Herod because he saw it pleased the Jews put Peter in prison but God because he saw it pleased the Christians released Peter, God cares for his people and shows them great kindness. God is alive and well and can be reached through prayer.
Great examples, Anon 8:39. Too many Christians need to learn more humility. We don't know the complete mind of God in every circumstance. We're human. It's impossibile for a finite being to know how an infinite being will react to someone else's life choices. We can teach what we know with humility, but never with absolute knowledge of how God will ultimately judge the situation.
Anon 7:45- My husband and I were baptized into the SCOC church very young, 19 & 20 years old. We believed what we were taught on salvation; Hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized. Over a process of time teachings were added that we did not believe, and each time we tried to counter them, we were belittled, labeled as ‘spiritually immature’, babes without understanding, and told to accept the counsel of the “older ones”. It’s ironic that these same “older ones” deemed us ‘ready’ to ‘go out’ to help a congregation in Illinois months prior. I endured withdraw twice for rules that could not be proven scriptural, and those rules would be changed years later without an apology.
My point being, we did not “sign up” to be members of a “church” that taught the truth on salvation, but beyond that, destroyed our lives through mere men who changed doctrine on a whim every May.
Oppression controlled my life for 36 long years. When I left that cult I didn’t waste any time, but found a church who teach the same plan of salvation AND teach AND LIVE the greatest commandment: love. God has been with me from the beginning when I was baptized 40 years ago, but he has shown me His true doctrine of GRACE & Love.
Recently two of my daughters who were raised in that cult and gave up on God, were baptized where I attend. They have seen my transformation, and it has spoken far greater than a “non-member class”.
So, Anon, I totally get where you are coming from.
Donna, your story, and more importantly, the story of your two daughters, speaks volumes. I've never met them or you (that I know of) but I'm grateful to know your story. It's inspiring, and should inspire everyone reading this to know that Jesus is alive and well outside of Stanton.
Donna, at risk of sounding like an evangelical, 😉 what an amazing testimony. I too found a place to worship that sounds similar to yours. How neat about your daughters. I pray your husband joins you one day. I met him once. Nice, nice man.
M Long- I’m very happy for you that you found a church you like. When I first visited my church I realized that God had his hand in me finding it. My spirit was certainly set free and I was able to enjoy praising Him, rather than be concerned about tedious details about how the “worship” was to be conducted. Merie’s cult has no idea what it is to PRAISE & worship God.
For anyone who is afraid to step into a church after leaving Merie’s cult, please trust God and take that step. You won’t regret it. Go with an open mind to hear the message.
Anon- You are right, I did tattle on my husband. I was taught and believed we had a responsibility to do so. In hindsight it was partly due to pride, and it was this faughtly practice that pitted wives against their husbands and took authority from the man of the home. I regret those things. I have to say that when I was sat down just before I left the Des Moines congregation, God helped me see myself and it was in the spirit of humility that I was able to see the practices of that cult that are so destructive, especially the home.
Donna, spot on concerning the destruction of the home. They should be so ashamed of the damage that is caused by their teachings, rules and practices that are not authorized by God. Tattling is huge in Portland as well. A common saying I’d hear from a teacher was keep on talking. Get counsel. These people cannot think for themselves. Numerous times what I heard from the teacher and preacher were wrong. Point keep talking and get counsel good chance you’ll end up tattling on your spouse about something.
What is destroyed is trust. Not being able to trust your spouse destroys the foundation of the marriage relationship. Whatever I said to my wife came out the teaching preachers mouth the next bible class as reproof so I stopped talking to my wife and separation and divorce followed. It would have been more acceptable if the reproof had a scriptural basis but it was put out as an insult, (as in I know you secrets and will publicly humiliate you as I please.) My sexual activities with my wife were publicly shared, there was no privacy, no intamcy between husband and wife. Today I understand what healthy boundaries are and have to reject gossiping teachers as toxic and evil people.
Anon 6:11- so true that trust is destroyed. I’m sorry that happened between you and your wife. I’m still trying to figure out WHY we didn’t leave after we questioned the judgements that led to our withdraws concerning marriage bed rules. We were very young, and that was used against us. “You are babes. You don’t have understanding.” Yet, he was right. Counsel was dead wrong, yet they refused to ask forgiveness of anyone.
WHY we didn’t leave? I’m still learning these things as I continue to recover from the negative effects this cult. Co-depentdants are what that cult breeds. They want members who base their happiness and fulfillment on whether they are acceptable in the eyes of their teachers/preachers.
God has brought me so far, yet I still have questions about why we didn’t leave. It’s not much different from recovering from addiction. I’m very thankful I know of Gods grace, and that God given it to me.
Hey Donna! I can't answer as to why you didn't leave, but I can share some of the reasons I didn't.
I was raised with a verbally abusive and physically abusive mother. It took me awhile to realize that I was used to being criticized and ridiculed. To me, it was normal. One time my husband heard me talking to myself "How stupid can you be?" etc. He stopped me and told me to never talk to myself like that again. He shared with me that he knew I wasn't stupid, and that often we believe our own words. I realized I was echoing my mother's words, even in my head.
I was also raised in the Catholic church, so I was used to making confessions! Nothing against Catholicism, just something I learned and was used to.
Also, I was in a large city, and knew no one. So I was in the group for the "love" they seemed to give-some were genuine with the love. It was something that filled a hole in my heart, as someone who had very little love in her life.
Another reason, was that since I was conditioned by my upbringing to believe that things were always my fault, I believed that in the group too. I thought that if I tried harder, worked harder, studied harder, etc that things would get better!
It took my husband's love, and the love of God, to get me to see that I needed to leave the group. And once I was out, it was much easier to see the wrong things of the group.
I hope this helps some of you! Thank you for letting me share,
Donna, I completely understand. I ask myself a lot of Why's too. Anon, I agree that trust is destroyed in many marriages in the SCOC. It pushes counsel so much that it becomes normal to tattle on your spouse. I did plenty of it. This week marks a year I left Merie's Church. This has been the best year of my marriage. For some reason my husband and I were finally able to better talk thru the issues in our marriage. Before we just wanted to be told what to do in our situations but it meant telling on each other. Well, actually I had noticed that I did most of the telling. My husband could have told on me plenty but he rarely did. Probably because he was in for much less than I was. Anyway one day a few months after leaving, I asked him out of the blue if he stopped trusting me long ago and he said YES. Me going to counsel with our issues was seriously undermining our marriage. It makes me sad but at the same time I am thankful we're out.
M Long- congratulations on making one of the most serious decisions in your life a year ago. Now you can LIVE! I have been out for three and a half years. I have been able to rebuild relationships with my grown kids. I was in SCOC 36 years! Sometimes I get frustrated that my husband still goes, but “there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy!”
How long were you and your husband in?
Donna, I was in for almost 10 years with my 2nd and 3rd years fallen away/withdrawn for not leaving my then-husband FP because our marriage was deemed unscriptural due to his adultery in his first marriage (long before me). He's been a member for 34 years now and still goes.
My husband now was in for about 5 years and had no COC experience before.
While I hate the damage divorce does, I am thankful for my 2nd marriage to someone who cares more for his family than about Merie Weiss. My ex literally still has originals of some of her letters! But hey, there's no worshipping Merie there, huh? And there's certainly nothing "added" to the Bible!
M Long- you had me concerned there for a moment as you said your husband has been in 34 years and still goes. I was relieved when I read on. The subject of “marriage & divorce” was on the table probably 10 years, ruining marriages and splitting families. That was one of the big subjects on the timeline I drew with the teachings that came and went with each May meeting.
Happy you got out and have your beautiful family and a husband who has time to spend with them and you.
Donna.. I was one of those that had to divorce because of the church
Anon 4:32 I’m sorry you had to go thru that. It infuriates me to remember how they “toyed” with that topic back and forth. You never knew from one May meeting to the next if you were going to be married!
I didn’t go through this but I had those close to me who did. Then the kids who were left in the wake didn’t see the faithful Christian very much because they were not able to travel without counsel.
Donna, so they actually went back and forth with this? Letting couples stay married then changing their minds? Mine was approx 9 years ago
Anon 5:14 they sure did! One May couples were told they must separate so men had to find another place to live and women had to seek employment, and children were greatly affected. One man in the congregation we were in was literally thrown out of his house by his wife. He rarely got to see his sons. Later the judgement was reversed, but the damage never could be.
Donna… Sad sad.. So what is their so called rule now?
Often spoken words from still the only preacher in Portland for now over a year+ while getting haha counsel from him. He’d tell you what to say to your wife and his parting words were “let me know what she says”.
Craig- the Stanton “churches” find whichever spouse is more loyal to them, then turn them into a teacher. As we have all seen, it is more often the wives who are groomed to be teachers, and in the wake the husbands are depicted as unstable, weak men. That group loves to have women in the lead tofollow in the footsteps of their leader. They leave men believing they are unworthy, incapable, lacking backbone. They destroy the spirit of these men. For the same reason these men don’t trust their own judgement when they consider leaving “the faith”.
Donna excellent points. Yes, I can reflect of how many men in Portland were deemed weak by the preacher thus incapable of being a help.
There are very powerful psychological reason why you stayed so long and suffered the abuse. The steps in recruitment are: invitation to an event, love bombing, prize dangling, obtaining agreement that the recruit wants the prize, threats to withhold the prize to discourage dissent, guilt creation, punishment and reward depending upon behavior, absolute control (of information, of environment, of interactions, etc.) These steps are the basics of recruitment and indoctrination. By controlling members outlook on life cults are able to brainwash members into obedience to the leader. It is only when a person adopts a different outlook on life that the "spell" is broken. For me it was on a Saturday when I went to Wal-Mart by myself that I realized that there is a huge world of good people that I was missing out on that the spell was broken and i stopped going. The preachers and teachers of doom were lying to me about the world outside the SCOC it was not as evil as they had said and I no longer needed their protection from an evil world that did not exist.
Anon 9:39- very shortly after I left this cult I suddenly realized just how much I had cut myself off from “the world”. I did not know my neighbors. I really regret bringing up my kids with this mindset. All I can do now is to pray for my family and be a light to them.
At my church, myself and a few others started a RECOVERY group. Most of the attendees are recovering addicts. For me it is a very different story., but we all share many of the same emotional scars. Our group is named “Out of Darkness”, which is fitting especially for myself.
As I read through 1 Timothy 3 tonight, I thought of how that sect used those verses. Mostly I considered how they did not live those scriptures.
It is sad to think of those still in their chains. Pray.
Anon 9:39 can I ask which congregation you were in and how you came to be so well educated on the physiological aspects of cults?
I meant psycological
How many out there felt like “I didn’t sign up for this”’ after we were baptized and started to hear teaching that was new and different?
I look back and feel like I SHOULD HAVE, but teachers smoothed things over and made us look up to them.
Donna, wow great question. 100% I did not sign up for what I would end up hearing that could not be backed up with scripture. Love bombed in the beginning. Going through 20 years of Merie’s cults rules when I was not even a member makes it even more disheartening that I wasted the years that should’ve been invested wisely. I’d love to see confidentially how many currant and former members feel the same as your comment. I was certainly lied to concerning what I was really getting into as information that is important before getting involved should be made known. We don’t do this and that, yes pull out the book of rules. How many people would get baptized into this false religion the SCOC if they knew the truth about there history and present practices? How many members would remain after reading this blog and the comments withen the blog. Not many is my guess. People as I would be disgusted they ever got involved in the cult.
Donna my burning question on cults was how did they do It? Cults come in every shape and size and can be centered around anything, such as business, or politics, or religion. What makes a cult good or bad is the morality of the leadership. In business cults example Amway they use deceitful accounting practices which is evil and many Amway members have been investigated for tax evasion by the IRS, but members of the Dave Ramsey business cult have not. Dave Ramsey would be considered a good cult due to its morality, Amway bad due to its lack of morality. The book "Our father who art in Hell" tells how Jim Jones did what he did and that is by planting seeds in the minds of his followers. The little lies believed by his followers grew into great trees of obedience to their leader, example: the world outside his group was all evil and out to get them, this lie, which encouraged the fear of outsiders bonded them to his leadership and he was free to use and abuse as he pleased. The world is amoral in most cases not for nor against you as a Christian. The SCOC has similar teachings about outsiders and the constant examples of tragedy and doom happening to "worldly" people bonded me to their abusive leadership. The truth is that good and evil happens in everyone's life, even Christians. My world view changed when I did a reality check and my belief in their protection ended when I saw it was a lie. Study of different cult groups reveal similar methods in each cult concerning recruitment, indoctrination, and retention of its members. My last book read was by Bryan westra called how to use deception to recruit cult members 9.99 on amazon.
Anon 6:56 It seems SCOC recruited members by offering them membership to become one of the very few who followed “truth” and to no longer be ignorant, as if it were a privilege.
The method of recruitment differs from person to person and church to church but once a member it is slowly revealed that they serve a spiritual leader here on earth and put aside the son of God as unimportant. The mandating of women wearing nylons is just another example of totalitarian leadership, that is setting a dress code for members by leadership. The deeper lessons in love are replaced by backsliding into carnality and Judiasm. The teaching of women do not wear that which pertains to a man, that women so not wear pants with a zipper on the front is from the scripture that the Jehovah Witnesses use to mandate that their women must wear dresses and not pants. Similar histories among similar totalitarian groups. I have had recently to study up on the oneness Pentecostal group as the ex-wife attends there and takes the kids with her. Very similar authority structure and domination of members lives by leadership of oneness Pentecostal as The SCOC. The deeper lessons of how to desexaulize yourself and your children from a sexualized world are not taught. The deeper lessons of how to overcome overeating by separating emotional comfort from food are not known or taught. What is taught is for members to be yes men to narcissistic leaders and just agree with everything leadership says lest the leader become angry and put you out of his group. So little edification from carnal leadership.
A behavior of evil leaders is to legislate (create rules and regulations) that force others into obedience to their authority. The organizational laws(sometime called bylaws) do not exist in the real world only within the group and only during the reign of the leader who created them. Once the leader has been replaced the followers are told "we no longer do that". New bylaws are created by each new leader for the period of their reign. Christians thankfully have written scriptures to follow and not the whims of each new leader. Many "judgements" have come and gone as the SCOC has changed its leadership. Judgements, bylaws, rules, and regulations are all synonymous terms.
Step 8 in recruitment is absolute control. At this stage the leader takes over the life of the recruit. The leader controls the information the recruit can access, the leader controls the people you interact with, the leader controls the environment you are exposed to, and the leader dictates your dress code. At this point the recruit is now a member and is totally under the control of the group. I saw this in the SCOC I attended.
The weakness in converting a COC into a cult of personality is that it demands over dependence upon an authority figure rather than virtuous living. When a weak Christian is tempted by Satan that Christian will give into temptation rather than follow the example of Christ who refuted every temptation Satan presented him with. When tempted with the love of a fornicator/adulteresd/whore (let's call it strange for brevity) refute that person by saying the love of a spouse is sweeter than honey, the love of strange is the poison of a scorpion. The love of a spouse is described in the song of Solomon the poison of scorpions is seen in the relationship of Sampson and Deliahla, Sampson was made weak then enslaved to his enemies and so it is to every person who fails to reject strange love. The strange loves money but is not satisfied when her money increases and demands men work a second and third job to bring her more money, she enslaves men through their lusts. The number one cause of bankruptcy today is online adult sites and online dating sites. Study your bible to become skilled at refuting temptation because Satan will tempt you when you are alone and without your teacher to protect you.
Anon 1:10 can you explain what is “ a cult of personality” please?
Isn’t it also that weak members give into temptations because they try to fill a void that is there from not having a true relationship with God because they serve man?
Cult of personality is when one exalts themselves above God, making themselves a god in the process. The beginning stages a cult leader will use the scriptures but will quickly assert their will as more important, how many times have you been told "Marie said" instead of Jesus said?
Wisdom is being able to create a big effect with just a few words. One example of this is in financial matters between believers. Christ was asked one time to say something to a man's brother so he could get part of the inheritance And Christ refused saying who made me a judge or ruler over you? Paul the apostle reaffirmed this judgement that spiritual leaders are not to make financial decisions between believers when he said dare any of you go to law one against another and that before unbelievers? Let the least esteemed be the judge in such matters. The effect is equality between believers because if the least esteemed is going to be deciding my financial matters I am going to treat the lowly with the same attention and respect as I give the spiritual leader in hopes of getting a fair judgement. The person who decides financial matters between believers is the leading teacher or preacher in the SCOC group, thus favoritism comes into play and not fairness which is equality. Cults of personality develop some saying I am of Paul or I am of dials as mentioned in 1 corinthians.
I'm awed by the spiritual maturity I see coming from the conversation here. Thanks to everyone keeping the conversation positive and edifying. I do have a couple of articles in my head that will find their way into the page soon.
God bless, and I hope everyone has a good "Easter" to use the SCOC's KJV. Lol
Donna, you are correct. That is exactly what they put into your mind.
Craig, I think you mentioned it before but how many of your kids go and are baptized? I'm still on top of my 2 boys every day to make sure they never step foot in there.. This blog takes alot of ink.. Lol
How a person uses knowledge/Wisdom tells you about their personality. In ecclesiastical Solomon makes an observation about a poor wise man who saved his city through his wisdom but was soon forgotten. The arrogant mind uses all knowledge to exalt and empower themselves, the conscience mind uses knowledge/Wisdom to help themselves and others at the same time. The poor wise man saved not only his city but himself in the process. To some knowledge is power(the arrogant) to others knowledge is salvation (those who follow their conscience). How do you use your knowledge?
Anon 9:43 two of four children attend with three mother. None of my children have been baptized in the cult. The two children who attend do so to be with friends which they do have good life long friends from the cult. They are bored with everything concerning the cult outside of the fellowships and friends. All my children are learning the truth about the cult, it’s practices and history as well as the unscriptural withdrawal of myself.
Donna 4:11 is what I was referring too.
It’s presented as an elite, exclusive club. It amazes me how Satan works to give up all of our past beliefs to follow a strange new doctrine.
My dad was my hero growing up. He died when I was 14. I decided to live my life to make him proud, but after joining that cult they convinced me that my dad went to hell. I believed that for 36 years. I resent many things SCOC took from me, but if I hadn’t gone through those things, I wouldn’t be so grateful for God’s grace and the freedom He has given me.
One thing they did NOT take from me is my God. They never will. They believe they can withdraw God from members who leave. Don’t believe the lies anymore. FLEE!
If they make a mistake, they say that the mistake was of God, and that he allowed it and sanctioned it. They don't believe they have to apologize or be contrite for their mistakes, but woe to the poor commoner who isn't contrite before them!!!
If anyone opposes them, they will destroy that person's family before they will ever admit they were wrong. Admitting they were wrong is something they simply cannot do. They will commit suicide before they admit they were wrong.
They shriek about the pride of any who oppose them and their authoritarian decrees, while exhibiting the very pride that separated the Pharisees from God. It's not wrong to have standards, but love corrects to improve, not to destroy. There are different ways to correct sinners. To the contrite and penitent a different approach is called for than that called for for the brash, impudent, impertinent, and insolent sinner.
They use private confidences to destroy any who disagree with them. Instead of building bonds of trust knowing we are all men of like passions, they use any confidences to rip down any who disagree with them on anything. Confiding in them is licensing them to do anything they want, and if you disagree, your reputation will be ruined.
They wonder why they don't grow. When I was withdrawn from in 2008, I told them, "You will not grow until you change your hopeless doctrine". Ten years later, the Vallejo church hasn't added five permanent members from the world, despite knocking on 300,000 doors. The futility of their efforts is quite obvious to see to everyone but them. Like the Southern Plantation owners in the Confederacy who forbade their slaves from reading, the Stanton Church strongly discourages any reading outside the Bible and the Bible reading must be in accord with the teachers opinion, or you are sowing seeds of discord. While there is something to be said for the wisdom of a teacher, there is a lot to be said for a leader who allows opposing views. Lincoln was a master at that, and allowed people in his cabinet who were openly critical of him. That is NOT ALLOWED in Stanton. It's either obsequious sycophancy, or one is branded a heretic and a troublemaker and subjected to church discipline.
But they insist they are God's chosen, and their failures to convert the world are just a symptom of the corrupt society we live in. Umm, Rome was in worse shape than we are today and they had no problem adding Christians to the church. The apostles baptized 3,000 in one night when the world's population was a fraction of what it is today, and the pagans were far more corrupt than what we have in America. Our nation is 70% professed Christian. In Acts, the Gentiles were often believers in Roman mythology and went to the temple of Aphrodite to worship by having relations with prostitutes.
The church knows very little history at all. "The only thing new is the history you don't know" Harry Truman. "IF you don't know history, you don't know anything. You are like a leaf, that doesn't know it's part of a tree". Michael Crichton. They think the Bible is understood by reading it, and comparing it to what Merie said. That is literally all they know.
You can't discuss Martin Luther, Augustine, Aquinas, Alexander Campbell, George Whitefield, John Newton, William Wilberforce, Jonathan Edwards, John Owen, Cotton Mather, Henry Ward Beecher, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the Founders of America, Benjamin Rush, Noah Webster, John Adams, or pretty much all of church history before Merie with them, because they'll call you a heretic, point out the fact that you've masturbated before, ignore the fact that every man in the church has at one time or another too, and tell you you are lost and on your way to hell. The women in the church are way too involved with publicly teaching on the damaging effects of masturbation. That was a topic the men need to handle among themselves. The women become screaming banshees on the topic and are like the Furies of old, lecturing terrified little boys that they'll surely lose their minds. Pathetically, all the boys in the church grew up with masturbation and simply learned to hide it. Either the boys became prodigious fornicators, or serial masturbators, as telling boys they'll lose their minds over it does not encourage them to go and get help for their problem which is really the only cure for it. Tragically, the church took a shotgun and blew themselves in the foot with it, with this approach. Because the girls in the church were attracted to the bold, confident outgoing men in the world, who had no conscience at all against masturbation and porn, and meanwhile, the conscience stricken boys in the church were left to themselves. That may not have been a bad thing. It's best for a man to master himself before getting into a marriage, as a disaster is sure to ensue if he doesn't.
What is astounding to me, is even though I firmly believe masturbation and pornography are the number one threat to our nation, and I'm not alone, as Josh McDowell, Fight the New Drug, Alexander Rhodes, Gabe Deem, Noah Church, Mark Laaser, Steve Arterburn, Gail Dines ( a radical Marxist feminazi, but astute on the damaging effects of pornography, though explicitly and unnecesarily graphic), the National Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation, and Fred Stoeker all agree with me, the church keeps proceeding with it's disastrous efforts to become "pure".
Damning people with church epithets like "effeminacy", or other imaginary consequences of masturbation and porn, they go onto put members in the church doghouse, and fancy themselves superior because they have never dealt with these sins.
That said, masturbation is a very serious sin, as Aquinas said it was worse than rape and was a crime against nature. It really is. But, our society is full of it today, and to get rid of it is going to take compassion, and avoiding nonsense accusations. It's absurd that they had one young preacher, who went on May Trips, who went to Adult Video Stores and was caught, and yet they couldn't tell he was dealing with it, but they love to put their "effects" on anyone who has admitted it.
It's almost best to never tell them anything. What they do learn, they manage to mangle badly and the cures they prescribe are worse than the disease.
I appreciate all the good things they taught me, and I had a wonderful childhood. In reality, the church let me down, the world let me down more, and I let myself down the most. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond to it. We are all the masters of our fate. Joseph and many men in the Bible and history faced far more adversity than we have, and emerged triumphant, due to perseverance, Faith, and God.
One of my mistakes was getting on the Stanton FB page. I had never been on FB before July of 2013, and when I got on, I thought this would bring about change to the church. I got caught up in FB, among other things, and went from having a successful business, to losing just about everything. I'm not worried, because I know the same principles that got me that business, and by using them can get another one in about half the time, but it taught me not to use social media.
I learned some valuable lessons too. Our media, hellivision, Hollyweird, schools, Google, and Fb are full of propaganda, and are very hostile to historic and Christian truths. They suppress dissent and promote disinformation. I completely left FB as it's nothing but them spying on you and spreading their disinformation. I stopped using Google too, and use DuckDuckGo, as it doesn't spy on you.
The best Christian news sites, IMHO, are WND, TownHall, Breitbart, National Review, American Thinker, The Federalist, and the Daily Wire, PJ Media, NewsMax, Conservative TreeHouse, Whatfinger, and I'm sure others know a few others. The New York Slimes, Washington Compost, Vallejo Times Herald, Contra Costa Times, San Francisco Chronicle, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NBC, PBS, CBS, NPR, among many others are all biased left wing organizations, and are spreading Communist propaganda. Not sure who has studied communism, but the totalitarianism is very similar to our church, only Stanton does practice biblical principles. I just had a FASCINATING conversation yesterday with a preacher of a church in my city called Iglesia Getsamani. This honorable gentleman emigrated here from El Salvador when he was young due to their Civil War. He was from a family of twelve, and is married, and the father of 8 children, a few of whom attended Sunday services. As some know, it was the Communists who were having an uprising. I was amazed to learn that the Communists spread by knocking on doors to invite people to….wait for it….Bible classes to study the Bible!!!!! Then they indoctrinated people that it was the governments job to help the poor. I about fell out of my chair. That's no different from our church in that our church teaches welfare and foodstamps are noble. I know because I was raised on them, and I'd hear prayer requests about political figures getting elected who would give Christians food stamps!!!! That is slavery!!! The Founders of America did not Found our nation for the government to be handing out welfare or getting involved in health care. "But Monte Cristo, didn't Jesus say not to get involved in the affairs of the world"?. This is the standard Stanton response, as they sit in front of their televisions and watch Disney movies and sports.
Umm, pretty sure the Founders of America knew the Bible and history BETTER THAN EVERY SINGLE MAN IN THE STANTON CHURCH OF CHRIST. Unlike all of us in America today, the Founders didn't waste one minute watching hellivision, and the average American today wastes 9 years in front of it. The founders never used psychotropic drugs, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the church or America who has never used mind altering drugs. They also never viewed porn, and 100% of the men in America today, including those in the church, have viewed porn at one time or another, though I am convinced the vast majority of the men in the church either abstain from sex completely, or stay faithful to their marriages and that is exemplary. Contrast this with 1942, when less than 2% of the men in America were exposed to porn. We were sabotaged by the 1948 Kinsey report, which destroyed our virtue and it was garbage science. It led to a rogue SCOTUS legalizing contraception in 1965 with "Griswold V. Connecticut", legalizing porn in 1969 with "Edwards V. Georgia", legalizing abortion in 1973, with "Roe V. Wade", legalizing homosexuality in 2003 with "Lawrence V. Texas", and legalizing homosexual marriage in 2015 with "Obergefell V. Hodges". Anyone who has not read "Sexual Sabotage" is advised to do so. Learning how this cancer got here and how we need to get rid of it is essential. And Christians have no excuse for not knowing it. The Christians in my church knew better than to watch television when the teachers were around, but they would all the time waste prodigious amounts watching football, baseball, bastketball, and G rated movies. A total waste.
It's all mass disinformation. Over 90% of the sports teams are in Democrat cities, designed to distract the men from their duty. We are being enslaved and the Democrat equivalent of "Bread and Circuses" is Monday Night Football, porn, and welfare. Stanton is suckered nearly as bad as the world. I was a huge fan of sports in my youth and all the way up until about 8 years ago, when I was enlightened. Now, I'm disgusted by hellivision, Hollyweird, sports, entertainment, Democrats, the tech companies and a lot of other corrupt entities in our nation.
I'll take the Founders views on Christianity and George Whitefield, and Puritans like Jonathan Edwards and John Owens before I'll listen to Merie. Merie thought Jimmy Carter was a great president!!! Let that sink in. The same Jimmy Carter who gave an interview to Playboy magazine, who says that abortion and homosexual marriage are alright. The same pathetic man who is in the running for the second worst president of all time, right behind the worst president of all time, Barack Obama. Between Woodrow Wilson, LBJ, and FDR, it's hard to tell who is the second worst of all time. God bless Merie for teaching correctly against masturbation, contraception, television, and many other evils, but there were a few areas where she was wanting. If it weren't for Merie, anyone in the Stanton church who was born after the third child in their family, likely wouldn't be alive today, as it's quite rare to find any American who has more than 3 children.
of course, Stanton says we aren't supposed to pick up arms and fight. They say we aren't supposed to vote either. But, Christ and the apostles weren't in a Constitutional Republic. They were under dictatorial emperors. We are in the only nation in world history founded upon the Judeo Christian values where we were given the First Amendment and the Second Amendment. I'm a Conscientious Objector, and I just joined the NRA and will be buying an AR 15. The Democrat party is Marxist and is a clear and present danger to our nation.
In conclusion, as I just read in Robinson Crusoe last night, and that is a masterpiece and I recommend everyone read it at some time or another in their life, I've learned to "Call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me".
Wow, ok. Kind of a document dump, but welcome, "Monte Christo." 🙂 Agreed on most of your observations except calling SCOC "our church." I think most readers would disagree with that. Other than that–welcome to the NRA! Lol
After reading all from Monte Christopher I would be depressed….very depressed. Thank goodness I am not! Maybe I live in a bubble but if so I am glad I do!
I am curious how he lost his business due to FB? In any event he has a few good points such as the cult wanting control of their flock, etc. will be waiting for more discussion from his comments. Wonder how he came up with the name?
he's a messano. Ryan
no. The story of Edmund Dantes, self-styled Count of Monte Cristo, is told with consummate skill. The victim of a miscarriage of justice, Dantes is fired by a desire for retribution and empowered by a stroke of providence. In his campaign of vengeance, he becomes an anonymous agent of fate. The sensational narrative of intrigue, betrayal, escape, and triumphant revenge moves at a cracking pace.
Donna, the moment I left Merie's Church I said exactly that to myself–I will not allow them to take me away from God! So many leave convinced it's the only place to find God so they just don't search for Him elsewhere. I saw that and experienced it in a prior withdrawal / falling away so I knew not to do it again as well as the spiritual damage that causes!
For anyone to exalt Merie's Church despite knowing the spiritual death it causes to so many is naive and even ignorant.
I absolutely love both the book and movie The Count of Monte Cristo. The Jim Caviezel version. Great name.
And anon, you're not supposed to "out" people here.
I'd be depressed too if basically my entire family and friends I loved and trusted just cut me off completely. Don't know him but heard plenty even here in TX about him. Now that I'm out I realize how one sided that was. And after almost everyone there cutting me off I know how it feels. Thank God most of my own family had nothing to do with this cult! I've been surrounded by so much love, love that was always there NO MATTER WHERE I WORSHIPPED. That's family who loves you, not these robots that worship their local leaders and evangelists and who go against their own consciences by cutting off their own family members. You know you felt it when someone close to you was withdrawn or fell away. That confusion and nagging feeling of Why things have to be this way. The needing to be reassured by counsel that this was what you're supposed to do.
Seek and you will find God elsewhere. And in a place that doesn't pit family and friends against each other.
you truly believe that they are all just robots? thats kind of rude considering everything theyve done for you. dont let your bitterness get the best of your words. and go ahead, deny the bitterness all you want, but your name calling, your wordings, and your tone would speak otherwise.
@ m long
Yeah I do think most are robots. A robot is controlled by another person. That's why people can disconnect from others by someone just telling them to. Even if they don't know the situation or don't bother finding out because they were programmed to respond that way. The term for those aiming to get out of cults is called "deprogramming" for a reason. It's not a new concept.
And anon, you keep mentioning ALL they've done for me. Like what? What do you think people there sacrificed for me? A babysitting here and there? A friendship that most willingly cut off not once but twice? You give the cult way too much credit on my behalf. I sacrificed at least as much if not more than was ever done for me.
You want to know who has sacrificed for me? My mother. My stepmother. My siblings. My in-laws. They sacrificed themselves on the altar of my self – righteousness learned in the cult. Yet they were always there for me. If you know me, you know despite how I treated them and put those in Merie's church first they still maintained a relationship with me and my kids. They came for special occasions, birthdays, births, etc., even though they aren't nearby. My family in Mexico too has always loved me no matter whether I came often or disappeared for long periods from their lives. All I have ever gotten is love there. They don't even go to church and can show more love than those who claimed to be my brethren and friends. Now, instead of us helping others in the cult and putting them first, we very often help our poorer family and take our love to those who have always been there for us through it all. It is such a good feeling to finally be where I should have been with my family, fulfilling my proper role there.
And you stated before that you don't want to mention your name because of your relationship to me. I know you're not one of my daughters so there's no relationship with you. You're not my friend or concerned about me. You just get on here to specially troll me. So feel free to out yourself.
Anon 7:09 I’ll second M Long’s description of most are robots withen the cult. Very true so many cannot think for themselves nor are they encouraged too. Just get counsel. As I’ve said before I’ll speak concerning the two haha counselors in Portland. They are not equipped to counsel kindergarteners. Absolute joke. And they are guiding peoples lives. Yikes. Do robots is a perfect description of these cult members which means I’m married to a robot. Lol
From one former robot to another, thank you Craig., 🙂
I am curious what formal education do these preachers have?
Concerned Outsider: When I was in, most had a high school education. A few had some college, I know the evangelist in the south has been to college in California. Not one of them, that I am aware of, ever had any training in counselling. No formal training that is. No going to seminars to be trained or online or by a school or business. Most were educated/trained by the example of their teacher/teachers.
That's one of the things that concerned me. No training of preachers and teachers. No checks and balances as to how they are doing. No continual training or classes etc. Yet they hold people's lives and souls in their hands. Most are not concerned about how they treat ones, or the counsel they give. Most just want to be sure they are right with the group's teachings.
They aren't trained to consider the individual, and what may work best for them. I saw that most dealt with their children the same way-using spanking as the usual and general method to correct them.
They also aren't trained to treat counselling as confidential. Then, they wonder why no one comes to them for counsel.
So, the answer is that most have had no formal training what so ever.
Concerned, Debby is correct. There is neither theological training or counseling training there. Lots of things end up being public fodder.
The funny thing is that the members are actually pretty good at keeping the whole cult's problems to themselves. That's the one thing they DON'T gossip about! Suddenly everything is a secret, kind of like this site is kept as secret as possible especially from younger ones!
Anon 8:40. You’re welcome. Yes a former robot. So happy to live my life not according to the two jokester counselors in Portland.
The biggest business in America today is student debt at $1.3 trillion. Formal schooling is a joke and the mainline Christian church is a disgrace. 90% of Christians know the hellivisions more than the Bible and history, and they are lukewarm and aren't even remotely close to going to heaven. Preachers educated in college are often in it for the pay, and teach to dead churches who are contributing to the demise of Christianity. If a church doesn't forbid birth control, you know for a fact they aren't going to heaven. Never mind our church, birth control was illegal in America until 1964. Radical atheists and Marxists are the ones who legalized it and abortion.
While Stanton can be too harsh, the lukewarm Christian church with it's college educated preachers is in even worse shape.
Also, a Jew, Ben Shapiro, says it best. Facts don't care about your feelings. Stanton doesn't always stick with facts, but when they do, they are right.
You die hard "Stanton is a cult" people have NO IDEA ABOUT HISTORY and are simply going with your subjective opinions.
The apostles didn't have any formal training either, but last I checked, the Holy Spirit leads into all truth. It just got a little lost in Stanton, or should I say, Stanton got lost following it's leading.
MC it's not the church's business to be forbidding anyone on birth control. If people today want only a certain number of kids that's their business. Maybe you did fine in a large family but I can think of at least a couple huge families who didn't. My ex used to say that he only had so many kids with his ex because Merie's church told him to. They ended up divorced. Either way, it's not the church's or the governnent's job to tell people how many kids to have. China does just that but to the other extreme. I think the problem is a lack of temperance in people's lives and in the meddling of the church. You can call it lukewarm but I call it temperance. You lean right politically so it surprises me that you think any organization should be forbidding things that are clearly within our freedoms.
I am currently in my mid 40s and on birth control. I have 6 kids and I am feeling my age with my last 3 here 4 and under. I shouldn't have to discuss my decisions with anyone except my husband. I know women who were having to discuss all their private business with counsel just to get the ok on tying their tubes. That's just ridiculous. Personally I think some of them were overwhelmed.
And as for mainstream preachers, ours is great and doesn't make a crazy salary. He's super organized and the teachings are ON POINT. I don't know about y'all on here but I sure got tired of people hijacking our sharing topics and running off on some other topic. CONSTANTLY. Or sermons that were all over the place. Or sermons that were meant to just make an example of someone. There are some who just like that feeling of self-righteousness and think Christianity has to be learned that way.
And Stanton was lost from the beginning when a woman named Merie Weiss decided to start her own church. Contrary to your subjective opinion. Or I guess you're the only objective one here.
Excuse me!!! This is the lukewarm church I'm talking about!!! Birth control is destructive to societies and it's really easy to deceive women on it. Just sucker them into the idea that having kids is a terrible pain and they fall for it. I'm right by a yoga studio, and the single and married women troop in all day long. They have as much joy as a person in a funeral. They are like zombies, mechanically pursuing a routine. They are trying to retain their beauty, but they refuse to fulfil the purpose of that beauty, which was to marry and have children. It's a gross tragedy.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you stop focusing on the Stanton Church and start looking at the Bible and all of history. Low fertility rates are currently devastating the economies of China, Japan, Russia, and Italy. There are many other churches that understand birth control is a sin. Many from Stanton are fond of saying truth's they don't like are just from Stanton. LOL!! Truth is true always, just because you don't know history, doesn't mean it's false. "The only thing that's new is the history you don't know" Harry Truman.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/big_families.htm
I'm not really even kind about this, because America is being destroyed by her own citizens.
Abe Lincoln, when he was only 28, said it very well, "How then shall we perform it?–At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
America is committing suicide with abortion and contraception. Less than 2 million have been killed by all our wars combined, including the Civil War, and 200 MILLION have been killed by abortion and contraception since 1965, CONSERVATIVELY!! That's not counting their children that they never could have either!! As for overpopulation, that's a myth!! All 7 billion humans on earth can fit into Texas and Louisiana living at the density of NY city. We also have food enough to feed 500 million more than our current population. Hunger is due to poor food distribution, corruption and greed.
Our nation did just FINE before contraception was illicitly legalized by the same rogue SCOTUS in 1965, who went onto illicitly legalize porn four years later, and abortion, just four years after that.
I'm afraid you have a serious disconnect when you compare outlawing birth control with China, who murders babies.
Also, what you don't realize, is that a government that fails to ban abortion, contraception, porn, homosexuality, and psychotropic drugs, becomes a massive police state due to all the problems that arise as consequences of these vices. The Founders knew that liberty was impossible without virtue, and that libertarians have no idea what they are talking about.
http://liberty1.org/virtue.htm
https://reason.com/archives/2015/04/12/libertarians-must-get-history-right
And it was Marxist Communists who wanted to legalize birth control and abortion, so we'd kill ourselves off. Hitler and Stalin are green with envy at how good Americans are at slaughtering themselves. They wish they could have killed even half of the tens of millions we slaughter.
You've been fed a lot of disinformation
https://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Strategies-Undermining-Attacking-Promoting/dp/1522605088
We were warned by KGB officers about our being brainwashed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
That's awesome you have 6 children, but the entire purpose of sex is marriage and children. It's selfish to consider anything else. American women understood this before 1964 and our nation flourished. Since then, American men and women became selfish and our nation is destroying itself. This is why God gave the man the final say, because men don't just look at money and feelings, they look at the good of the society long term. I know there are plenty of women who will spitefully say, "Well then you'll never get married". That's fine!!!! I'll die alone and single. "It's better to live in the corner of a housetop than with a brawling woman". I'll have God though, and that's all that matters, and those selfish women are going to hell unless they repent.
No Godly woman ever looks at kids as burden.
Preachers ought not to be paid unless they travel. Stanton doesn't even live up to those standards, and stagnant evangelists have led to a stagnant church. Collecting a salary from the church when you barely ever travel is nonsense. These same stagnant evangelists make tyrannical decrees that destroy families and the laity. If they had had to work and earn their own living, they'd never dare make some of the decisions they routinely make. I'll never forget the memorable 2006 May Trip where we took six hours to discuss, whether breaking the unleavened bread once or twice was allowed, and whether you could bring a Big Mac in the building if you were doing work on it. One preacher got sat down and humiliated for having the audacity to say that having Chicken Nuggets in the building when you were working on it on a Saturday wasn't a sin!! One of the evangelists sounded the trumpet that this was paving the way for the church to accept homosexuality in it's ranks!!! I kid you not and I have the CD if anyone wants to hear it. This is the kind of logic behind some of the ruinous decisions that Stanton has unfortunately become notorious for. I hope they change, but they are VERY STUBBORN, RECALCITRANT, and OBSTREPOROUS!!
And for me bothering to object to this Pharisaism, the church will blast out all of my confidences over the years, and make sure that everyone within earshot of a SCOC knows that Monte Cristo is a major league rebellious sinner, was a bad apple since birth, is public enemy number one, and should never be spoken to, as he is a dangerous deceive and deluded. Stanton also firmly believes I am crazy, (LOL, who don't they think that about who disagrees with them?), and that talking with me is no different from talking with Satan. I visited their May Week a few years back, and was given a most unceremonious welcome. I nearly had the police called on me for bothering to show up and express my regards. The men were up in an instant. You would have thought I was a terrorist with a bomb from their response. They warily eyed me as a Jew in Israel might view a Palestinian who was making sitting next to him and making uncomfortable motions into his pocket. I didn't intend to speak, only to sit and listen, but that was too much to ask. A very high ranking evangelist, who I respected very much, and still revere for his virtues, took me by the arm. I could have resisted, but I yielded to courtesy and good manners, and believed him when he said he would listen. Alas, he had no such intention. His only intent was to get me out of the May Trip, so it could proceed and the Churches unscriptural withdrawal and excommunication of yours truly could continue. Afterwards, I repented of having yielded, and thought what a fool I was for having allowed myself to be so easily convinced.
While they refuse to speak to me directly, they have no problems speaking of me when I'm not around. Then, when I dare to ask what they are saying about me, I'm told why am I concerned with it. This has taught me a lot about how not to treat people.
Anyhow, I have to tell you, M Long, your earlier exchange with the gentleman where you said it was off topic and you were leaving the conversation, WAS HILARIOUS!! I was laughing until I cried. Sorry, it was pure comedy.
Anyhow, I mean no harm, but will not be silent on issues that matter, when we are in a nation that is dysfunctional, and a church that is dysfunctional too.
Anyhow, before I leave, I was on FB for 2 and a half years, and one of my friends, who I talked with frequently, just went viral with a city council meeting speech, so I have to share.
Ciao and adieu, and to the Christians who want to chirp about arrogance, pride, self righteousness, Pharisaism, legalism, and judgementalism, save it!! You lukewarm ones are going to hell before the Muslims and Atheists are.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29119/watch-black-gun-owner-slams-government-trying-take-ryan-saavedra
MC, I stand by my right to decide when to stop having children. I thank God for the ones He gave me.
And boy are you all over the place. No wonder you're able to write a book. I hope you have a good editor to keep it focused!
I saw that video of your friend earlier today. He did a good job.
Adiós!
Monte Cristo, you obviously feel strongly about some of theses issues, and that's your right! But you do need to remember that just because you say it is so, (or any of us say it is so) doesn't make it so.
Our nation did NOT do just fine before birth control. A lot of women died very young because of having large families, and not just from childbirth. Men have a lot of responsibilities in raising children, but nothing compared to what women go through, or what it does to their bodies. Even Merie's group admitted that having children too close together was not a good thing.
Women did not band together on the birth control issue because they were lazy and hated children.
However, having said that, I think most here will agree that having a large family is a blessing. That's not the issue at stake! The real issue is that it's a personal decision, one that is to be made by individuals and God. And birth control doesn't have to be in the form of chemicals-there were no "pills" in the 1800's when ones were advocating birth control! Medications are more effective however.
the point is that the group, and some mainstream religions, go too far. Instead of simply teaching, they go so far as to judge and condemn ones for using some form of birth control. And that is where they overstep.
Just sayin….
MC 9:00. I heard the story of you being led out of the May meeting. I’d have fun if they ever try to strong arm me out of one of there functions. So GP said he listen to you but did not. Wow flat out LIAR GP is. No surprise.
Monte Cristo- I’m happy for you that you had a wonderful childhood and you said you were taught many good things in the Stanton CoC.
Let me ask you, aside from the sexual issues, what good can you name being brought up in the “church”.
Aside from good people I cannot name anything good. My kids were scarred for life due to control issues. My grown kids are very judge mental- I wonder where they learned that?I was the one who entertained my kids because my husband was an absentee father due to church schedule, but overall there was nothing good that came out of Stanton.
Am I correct to assume that you do not attend Stanton churches?
Monte Cristo- I drew a timeline from the past 40 years of all the teachings that existed AND CHANGED and the adverse affects those teachings had on the members, and often my family personally. I did it to prove to my husband that God has been telling him to ‘escape’ for 40 years. By their fruits ye shall know them.
There were people under Hitler’s regime who believed he lowered the employment rate, and he benefitted my artists of the day. That doesn’t mean that Nazi rule was good for the people.
Donna, I would love to see that timeline! I think it would give us a lot to think about! Would you mind sharing it? Or giving it to Kevin to share?
Debbie Stevens- I will have to revise it to post here, as much of it is personal injustices imposed by the Stanton “churches”. I will see what I can do.
Donna I'm interested too. As for the personal ones, I wonder if others will find that similar things happened to them too. Just a thought.
I think that you all are focusing too much on the SCOC and the teachings of the present and past of it. Just a small word of advice; don't dwell on those things and don't put too much of your energy into it. Focus on making yourself a better christian and focus on becoming closer to God. Don't put effort into drawing a timeline from the past 40 years. What's that going to do for you? Focus on studying your bible and finding the truth. Not copying the history of wrong teachings.
Anon 8:59 kind of hard to do when they continue to rip families apart and separate them with their man made rules. I was one of them. People that do this need to be stopped if possible. I'd give most anything to see this happen
I think we need to continue to share ideas for those who still have family members inside the four walls of the cult. How do we live with them without destroying our families. MC got the blog way off track….perhaps now we will see and get the focus back on track. Of course, hopeful most of us are attending healthy churches and finding our way. And surrounding ourselves with family who love us and re building our relationships
Anons above: I see both points. I agree more with sharing ideas and keeping this blog going. It was the catalyst I needed to get out. How many more of us are there? I'm not just going to go about my days pretending I didn't participate and pretend like what's going on there is OK. Ripping apart loved ones is not ok.
M Long me either as I am still connected in a small way making sure my family stays far away from there. But after this blog who would ever even give the place one foot in the door Scary lol
MC, could we please wait until your book comes out to read your thoughts? or maybe you could start your own blog?
AnonymousApril 9, 2018 at 4:27 PM.
Please don't advertise your ignorance for the world to see. Thank you!! Until you've read five biographies of America's Founders, you have no business talking about the church or politics. The impudence and impertinence of many on this thread is breathtaking and they don't even know what they don't know.
AnonymousApril 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM
Last I checked, the truth was never off topic to those who value it. It's always off topic to those who are living a lie.
And your church is broke. The entire Christian church is broke, and it's mindless drones like you who keep it broke because you refuse to reflect on how it got broke. You want to keep talking and you hate learning.
Well, that's not how things work.
"The only thing new is the history you don't know" Harry Truman.
Until you have a grasp of the Reformation, Campbell, and how the American Christian church became wrecked, kindly lecture no one but yourself. Thank you!
Stanton has few problems compared to the biblically illiterate majority Christian church in America. It's a joke, and those lukewarm Christian on here are the ones with the most to say.
Those are the ones who not only don't do what is right, but make it a priority to interfere with those of us who do.
I'm afraid the feminazi movement has infected the church. The Bible was very clear that women were created to be a helpmeet, not domineering, shrewish, brawling women. We have a lot of women in America, Stanton, and on this site who are virago's, carper's, faultfinders, nitpickers, scolds, gorgon's, and furies.
You all need to get it together. I'd prefer to avoid names, but I didn't attack you, you brazenly came and attacked ideas you have no idea about, and have never seriously researched in your life. I'm afraid that is simply not going to be tolerated. Maybe some of you are around wimpish, simpering, pusillanimous men, but God didn't design us men to be pushed all around Creation by loud and impudent women.
Whoa! Do you hate women MC?
My husband and I have discovered that if you read MC's comments out loud they are much more entertaining. Y'all should try it.
(My hubby, imitating MC): "I have forgotten more than you'll ever know." hahaha…
MC, you are actually proving our point. As one of 18 kids, the oldest at that, you seriously needed some attention from parents instead of books or babysitters in the SCOC. Balance in life is a good thing, called temperance in the Bible, and something both you and Merie Weiss do/did not have.
Kevin, if you haven't read at least 5 books from the Founding Fathers, you really should shut this blog down, according to MC's rules. ��
Kindly have your henpecked husband speak for himself. I'd be glad to debate him on any topic he prefers and have not the least doubt about the outcome.
You haven't used a shred of factual, biblical, or historical evidence to uphold your nonsensical and heretical views of birth control, but yet bother yourself to come on here, and viciously attack the facts I have posted. And you have no shame. I didn't attack you, you are a busybody and came and attacked me.
Like a scorner and a scoffer, you don't care what the truth is, you do as the foolish in Proverbs did, and loudly denounce what you don't understand.
Read Psalms 27:10. Kids do just fine with God, whether they have Godly parents or not, and mine were quite kind to me.
It's astounding to me, that you think human attention exceeds the knowledge that the Bible and history teach. You are dead wrong. But that's because you don't like to study your Bible or history at all, and are too busy having fun with the world. You are deeply allergic to the truth, and need to be cured.
The Founders of America had balance, and I recommend you get some too. They never used psychotropic drugs, never viewed porn, never viewed the hellivision, and studied the Bible and history intensely.
I like how you try to instigate, and pit me against your husband and Kevin. You are a clever and conniving termagent.
Anon 8:59 on April 9th agree with some of what you say. However, do all possible to expose this cult for what they really are. Hopefully more members will begin to get educated about what they are really involved in. Here in the Portland/Vancouver area I’m looking towards shutting them down. They can take there evil elsewhere. Not in my town. People will become educated that they are a cult. Period.
Just to drop into a May Meeting and listen in on the hours spent on breaking of the bread should be enough for any member to see what one person's mind can think and then live their life by such a person's mind. It's pure craziness! I can't. I just can't! Ugh! I'd want an explanation from him in why that was even said and to explain it all. Really!
Pretty sure MC is schizophrenic/ has multiple personality disorder.
AnonApril 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM
Sigmund Freud, is that you?
Psychiatry is a total fraud, and anyone who believes in it, or the mind altering substances used to address it, is themselves mentally disturbed.
Any psychiatrist reading Psalms or all of the Gospels would promptly label David and Christ as schizophrenic and as having multiple personality disorder.
Liberalism is a mental illness, yet they swear everyone else is mentally ill.
The above writer repeats the liberals delusional thinking.
The astute reader can note that none of the facts or history I post can be refuted, instead opponents attack with a flurry of anonymous nonsense ranging from charges of "pride" to allegations of mental instability. Quite natural. Stanton does this stuff all the time. Barely six months goes by without them announcing how someone who was disfellowshipped or fell away had their cheese slide off their cracker.
MC 2:18 your last sentence very funny and true. Anon 10:34 do you know MC? Great guy btw. One who has been miss treated by the cult. Unscriptural withdrawals, being marked and avoided by clowns when members and nonmember’s disagree with there foolish rules and man made doctrines. GP is a coward won’t face his critics. TC and KS as well.
Thank you Craig:).
Thank you Donna. Yes, I think my childhood in Stanton was very similar to that of the Founders or Lincoln. No hellivision, we were protected from most of the filth of the world, and no drugs, combined with lots of reading and outdoors, along with interaction with others often. I'm very happy about that, and am finishing up a memoir about it. I think it will sell quite well. If Michelle Obama can make $65 million from a book that is absolute nonsense, I think I can make at least $10 million from a book that has the roots of America's virtue and wisdom in it.
The good was a lot of the close friendships formed with other boys in the church. I remember how one of my closest friends in the church died when I was 24 and I wept for hours. I never realized how close our bonds were. We played football, basketball, baseball, and other sports together. We spent the night at each others homes. We went to local amusement parks together. We got in fights together, and made up together. We loved the same sports teams. We watched sports and movies together (at their non member dad's homes, not mine). We liked the same girls, worked the same jobs, got punished together, laughed together, cried together, and stayed up until 3 in the morning talking together.
I know the world is so dysfunctional and they make the church out to be some wicked place. Well, the world is all dysfunctional. The mainline churches are a disgraceful wreck. 90% of them know their hellivisions more than their Bibles. The lukewarm Christians are the worst. They use words like "judgemental, Pharisees, legalistic, Proud, arrogant, and conceited" to talk about the Christians who actually do study the Bible and live lives guided by it. The atheists are going to heaven before the lukewarm Christians are. These lukewarm Christians are backstabbers too. You no sooner stand for some biblical topic when the lukewarm Christian comes behind you to stab you for daring to uphold Godly precepts. Our church has too much law, the church outside of ours has too much love. Law and love combining is the Gospel.
I have siblings who like to badmouth the church. None of them are practicing virtue at all. Same with other kids I grew up with who have nothing good to say about the church at all. One is indignant he wasn't allowed to watch hellivision when he was a kid. He compensates by being a couch potato and watching it continuously today. Others get high on pot, and drink themselves into a stupor and then lecture others on being careful to "set a good example". LOL. I had one who has tiddly as a drunk lord come up to me and honestly try to lecture me for having a conversation about virtue with a person in the world. I let them know in no uncertain terms that they were welcome to their own views, but I have the First Amendment in America, that I intend to exercise it, and won't be badgered or intimidated by lushes.
I'm not attending anywhere. I've attended dozens of churches, but I'm sorry, I refuse to prostitute truth for unity. Other churches are very similar to our church. As soon as you start disagreeing with the leaders unscriptural views, you get loud teaching on pride and arrogance. No different from what happened to Martin Luther in the 1500's. Leaders never voluntarily give up power. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" as Lord Acton said.
Yes, there were quite a few teachings that changed over the last 40 years. My mother often tells me Merie was a good woman, and never sanctioned a lot of the extreme views the church adopted after she passed away in 1980. I do know that those who don't know history well are quite likely to pervert the Bible and to institute some pretty ruinous ideas. The Founders of America both knew the Bible well and they knew history VERY WELL!! Many leaders in Stanton get VERY INDIGNANT when you talk about history, and try to bully you into thinking you are proud for learning things they deemed unimportant and never bothered to learn. They call that "Putting you in your place". It's actually pride. Trying to intimidate ideas that challenge your own is nothing God ever advocated for.
I look at Stanton and then I look at society as a whole and Stanton looks like a perfect paradise. 110 million Americans have an STD, biblical illiteracy is at all time highs, we pay $700 billion a year for drug, alcohol, and tobacco issues, and only $600 billion a year for nation defense, meaning we pay more to destroy ourselves than we do to protect ourselves. 70 million Americans are on psychotropic drugs. Our schools are indoctrination centers. 80% of 11 year old boys are looking at porn. The rape rate has gone up at least 10 times since 1960, largely due to the legalization of porn in 1969. The official rate has tripled from 9 per 100,000 to 30 per 100,000 but that's not accurate because police are cooking the books and women aren't reporting it, because men who look at porn aren't likely to believe them. The functional illiteracy rate is an epidemic. We create idols of singers, sports stars, entertainers, and actors, and these people aren't fit to lead anyone anywhere. Yet these are the people tens of millions of Americans rely upon for their guidance and leadership. Historical and political ignorance is through the roof!!! 90% of Americans can't name the 9 SCOTUS justices, and 60% can't name the three branches of government. The Founders of American not only knew the Bible far better than anyone in Stanton does today, but they knew Greek and Roman history far better too!! They could intelligently talk about Cicero, Cato, Plutarch, Pompey, Alexander, Plato, Socrates, Caesar, Epictetus, Epaminondas, Leonidas, Nicias, Alcibiades, Themistocles and many others. Today, less than 5% of us can do that. And without knowing the past, we are doomed to repeat their mistakes. Americans know a lot about a little and a little about a lot.
Our church isn't anything close to a cult. Jim Jones, the JW's, LDS, SDA, and David Koresh are cults. No one in our church today resembles Muhammad or Joseph Smith. So using the cult term is completely off base.
Islam is a cult. When I hear people on hear whining about being hurt by Stanton, I have to laugh. Muhammad makes Stanton look like perfect angels. The man brutally murdered thousands, had 8 wives, and took a 9 year old as a wife. Islam has killed more in 1,400 years than any other culture in world history. It's clocking in at about 270 million conservatively, and we've had only 33,000 documented terror attacks just since 9/11. So it's best to look at this with perspective instead of screaming bloody murder because someone at Stanton said some mean things or made sour faces.
Thank you Kevin! I'm looking forward to the NRA, and buying a few rifles and handguns. A disarmed population is a population that is easy to control. Germany, Russia, Cambodia, and China had 100 million slaughtered after they were disarmed.
To AnonymousApril 3, 2018 at 6:45 PM.
I'm not depressed. I feel like Churchill when bombs were dropping on London from Hitler and all seemed lost. It's long, but wisdom is never easy. I spent too much time on FB. Learned a lot. Talked with at least 25,000 people from all over American and learned a whole lot. I also relearned that talking a lot and working a little leads to the poor house. So, working a lot and talking a little leads to prosperity. As for my name, AnonymousApril 3, 2018 at 7:31 PM has summed it up nicely. Brilliant summary of a wonderful book.
The ten months that have passed have seen very terrible catastrophic events in the world–ups and downs, misfortunes– but can anyone sitting here this afternoon, this October afternoon, not feel deeply thankful for what has happened in the time that has passed and for the very great improvement in the position of our country and of our home?
Why, when I was here last time we were quite alone, desperately alone, and we had been so for five or six months. We were poorly armed. We are not so poorly armed today; but then we were very poorly armed. We had the unmeasured menace of the enemy and their air attack still beating upon us, and you yourselves had had experience of this attack; and I expect you are beginning to feel impatient that there has been this long lull with nothing particular turning up!
But we must learn to be equally good at what is short and sharp and what is long and tough. It is generally said that the British are often better at the last. They do not expect to move from crisis to crisis; they do not always expect that each day will bring up some noble chance of war; but when they very slowly make up their minds that the thing has to be done and the job put through and finished, then, even if it takes months – if it takes years – they do it.
Another lesson I think we may take, just throwing our minds back to our meeting here ten months ago and now, is that appearances are often very deceptive, and as Kipling well says, we must "…meet with Triumph and Disaster. And treat those two impostors just the same."
You cannot tell from appearances how things will go. Sometimes imagination makes things out far worse than they are; yet without imagination not much can be done. Those people who are imaginative see many more dangers than perhaps exist; certainly many more than will happen; but then they must also pray to be given that extra courage to carry this far-reaching imagination.
Closing remarks
But for everyone, surely, what we have gone through in this period–I am addressing myself to the School–surely from this period of ten months, this is the lesson:
Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never–in nothing, great or small, large or petty–never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
We stood all alone a year ago, and to many countries it seemed that our account was closed, we were finished. All this tradition of ours, our songs, our School history, this part of the history of this country, were gone and finished and liquidated.
Very different is the mood today. Britain, other nations thought, had drawn a sponge across her slate. But instead our country stood in the gap. There was no flinching and no thought of giving in; and by what seemed almost a miracle to those outside these Islands, though we ourselves never doubted it, we now find ourselves in a position where I say that we can be sure that we have only to persevere to conquer.
You sang here a verse of a School Song: you sang that extra verse written in my honour, which I was very greatly complimented by and which you have repeated today. But there is one word in it I want to alter – I wanted to do so last year, but I did not venture to. It is the line: "Not less we praise in darker days."
I have obtained the Head Master's permission to alter darker to sterner. "Not less we praise in sterner days."
Do not let us speak of darker days: let us speak rather of sterner days. These are not dark days; these are great days–the greatest days our country has ever lived; and we must all thank God that we have been allowed, each of us according to our stations, to play a part in making these days memorable in the history of our race."
As for M Long, no one can truly harm us but us. Other humans mistreatment of us cannot destroy any of us, unless we consent to be bitter. While I can denounce them, I still harbor love for them. I refuse to allow any man to make me hate him. "I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him." Victor Frankl and Corrie Ten Boom had great books in "Man's search for Meaning" and "The hiding place" respectively, where both talked about how they learned to be content and grateful in Concentration camps under the Nazi's. If they could learn to be content, there is nothing we have suffered even close to what they went through. It's important to be able to look at others experiences, because those who think they alone suffer the most are of all men most miserable. In reality, there is nothing we have gone through that someone else hasn't gone through as well. I don't mind calling Stanton out for wrongs done, but the entire point of correction is restoration and for another's benefit, writing them off entirely is no different from what many object to Stanton doing to them. God tells us to be perfect, as he sends his sun and rain on the just and unjust, so we too should think well of all, and treat all well. Open rebuke is better than secret love, but still, everyone on here knows more of their sins than does anyone else on earth. While knowledge of our own sins does not absolve others of guilt for theirs, it should at least make us more understanding. If we wish for God to forgive us our sins, and to hear our prayers, he flat out says he won't if we refuse to forgive others of theirs. Personally, I can't forgive fast enough. One of Stanton's huge issues is they don't understand how God's forgiveness works. And many on here repeat that same mistake. Just because Stanton was unforgiving to you for your sins, doesn't mean you can turn around and be unforgiving to them for theirs. Overcome evil with Good. I've said it before and I'll say it again, as a friend of mine related to me. Stanton let me down, the world let me down more, and I let myself down the most. Everyone likes to flatter themselves that their sins aren't as bad as others sins. This is true for Stanton and many on here. I've thought this a lot too. But I think that's the wrong approach. If Paul and David both thought of themselves as big time sinners and were some of the most righteous men in the Bible, perhaps their approach is worth emulating. When one thinks of themselves as a huge sinner, they aren't so quick to write others off as lost and hopeless and call them a cult.
Yes, M Long, I love the book about Monte Cristo. Edmund Dantes was an amazing figure. I'm not surprised you heard a lot about me. Since I was a child I listened intently to the news of the day about others transgressions. I didn't dream that one day they would listen about mine. I've heard from two reliable sources that churches in the South taught that I favored homosexuality and was teaching it was alright. That's totally false. I've never thought that at all, much less said it. Part of my frustration is that they say so much when I am not there, but get awfully quiet when I show up. When I come among them, they get in an awful rush to get rid of me, but when I'm not there, they seem to have all day to speak about me. For people who openly uphold sin that's appropriate treatment, but I never have.
My real crime was disagreeing with a teacher diagnosing me as "effeminate". When I objected to this characterization, and began asking other Christians about it, learning that many did not think of me like this, I was promptly withdrawn from for "sowing seeds of discord", and "walking disorderly". It is what it is. God's ways are better than mine. Who is to say that all the sins in my life didn't deserve this, though none of my actions did at the time? God alone is judge of all. Though Stanton's judgements have many times parted ways from the Bible, from zippers on jeans, to withdrawing from uncleanness, to not traveling, to you can't marry ever again even if your spouse commits adultery, among other judgements, God sees all and judges all. I'd hate to be a teacher nearing the end of my life and have to answer for the unjust judgements I instituted in my lifetime on others. What a miserable way to leave this life. That's why I pray for their leaders. I'm not mad, because my indignation is nothing compared to what they will face from God. We should all be grateful for all the many lessons we were given on how not to treat others, as well as the many lessons on how to treat others, because many in Stanton did abundantly show love, kindness, joy, and virtue. It's unfair that their godly lives should be maligned because of the actions of a few rogue teachers. Also, it's not easy speaking out. I remember how hard it was for me to do it. Many times I knew I should say something, but let my fears get the better of me.
I am never less alone than when I am alone. There's practically no figure in the Bible who was righteous who was not alone with God for some period of their life. It's not to be feared or dreaded, but embraced. If one can't be happy with themselves and God, then how can they be happy with others? Many in the church don't speak out because they are deathly afraid of not having friends anymore. The fear of man is a snare. Facing our fears is a very liberating experience.
That said, women are much different from men, and cutting off relationships and communication has a much bigger impact on them, normally. Relationships, affection, and communication are like oxygen to a woman, and she wilts and dies without these. The YouTube shooter yesterday was a perfect example. She thought YouTube was taking away her fans and livelihood and she went off the deep end.
In conclusion, in from the book of Monte Cristo is one line that quite beautifully illustrates the duty of many on here, in America, and all over the world, "Until the day when God shall deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is summed up in these two words,— "Wait and hope".
Starting to wonder if MC's book is being drafted right here…
A bit concerned about his cognitive thought process. The more Monte writes the more worried I become. I do agree with him that the Stanton church of Christ is not a cult though.
Thank you, what exactly bothers you about my cognitive thought process? It's the same cognitive thought process that led me to be excommunicated from Stanton on August 1st, 2012 at 7:00, and then buy a business for $650,000 a half hour later at 7:30, without a penny in the bank, a 400 credit score, and with my home and car on the verge of being foreclosed and repossessed, respectively. It's the same thought process that preceded my monthly income going from $2,000 a month, to $36,000 a month. It's the same thought process that led me to bad decisions, and the realization that better is the end of a thing than the beginning.
There is nothing I write here that has not already happened in history before.
Nothing happens but first a dream. Very little of what has been accomplished in history has been accomplished by people who didn't think they could when everyone else said they couldn't. In him we live, and move, and have our being.
While the prosperity gospel is really wrong, David, Solomon, Isaac, and Jacob would not have qualified for Section 8 and SNAP. No Christian should ever be going to the government for assistance. We had no welfare in America before 1912, and it encouraged self reliance. The rich and the churches helped the poor. Today, the Democrat party steals from all of us to give it to 42 million Americans on welfare. This Marxist wealth redistribution enables the Democrats evil of porn, abortion, contraception, homosexuality, and other evils to be slipped into our society, since the Democrats welfare is not without strings. Stanton had it ALL backwards. It is the churches job to help the unfortunate and needy. But Stanton had many of it's rich who would buy luxury cars, live in luxury homes, and NEVER GIVE A DIME TO HELP THE POOR, WHILE THE POOR IN STANTON WERE ENCOURAGED TO GO TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR WELFARE. That is a SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monte Cristo, come on now the scoc fits the billing of a cult like a glove. Let’s not call the JW’s a cult if you can’t call Merie’s followers a cult. I’d like to hear your reasoning’s. Did you get my corresponding email? Here is mine again. craigcusick52@gmail.com. Take care, look forward to a conversation,
Agreed, Craig. Here's one definition of a cult : an unorthodox sect whose members distort the original doctrines of the religion.
All you have to do is find the blog post about all the rules they have that are unscriptural that so many commented on their experiences with added rules.
And typically a cult separates you from your family.
If the glove fits…
I need to ask forgiveness for bearing false witness.
Earlier, I said one Stanton Evangelist said that eating a Big Mac in the building, if allowed would lead to homosexuality being allowed in the church. That was incorrect. The evangelists did not speak on this topic in 2006. Instead many members spoke out about how food should not be allowed in the building because "this is the way we've always done it". I kid you not.
Rather, one evangelist said that breaking the unleavened bread more than once, as scripture indicates, could potentially lead to full blown sodomy in the church.
I want to make sure I told the truth and nothing but the truth.
Thank you for your understanding.
Your contrite brother,
Monte Cristo
MC 10:49 I remember the stupid discussion about how many times to break the bread was it the same evangelist/paid preacher who made the comment about leading to sodomy. SV guy? What an idiotic comment. But consider the source.
It was crazy, Craig. I remember thinking to myself when I heard it, is he serious???
They have all kinds of other issues in the church, and aren't growing at all, and we are here bothering about how many times to break the unleavened bread!! Unbelievable!! The very definition of the Pharisees. Stanton won't help the poor in the community, but darned if they don't need to figure out exactly how many times to break the unleavened bread!! Woe to the hypocrites!!
To think breaking the unleavened bread five times can lead to homosexuality being accepted in the church is a case of mental gymnastics that is wildly astounding!
mc, are u saying they should help the poor in the community and use the treasury?
Yes!!! Before 1912 it was the rich people and the churches in the community helping the poor, NOT THE GOVERNMENT!! Stanton has some millionaires, and they don't give anything to the poor. They send them to go get welfare from the government.
Funny how Stanton says we shouldn't get involved in politics, but THEY SEND THEIR MEMBERS TO THE GOVERNMENT TO GO TAKE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, WHICH IS WORSE THAN THE INFIDELS!! How is a woman supposed to respect a man when he's on welfare and proud of it, calling it a "blessing"?
But Stanton views this as totally acceptable!! Then, when I confronted them on it, they are deceitful and say they never said that. They certainly did. Ripped apart many families by encouraging welfare, and disabling the man. So the women in the church are encouraged to be busybody gossips, who run around interfering in everyone else business quite often. They should be at home taking care of their husbands and kids, but oh no, not with Big Daddy Government. There are a few women in the church who are faithful mothers and wives, but there are plenty of women in Stanton, on here, and in America, who haven't got the first clue what it means to be a faithful wife, mother, and a Proverbs 31 woman.
Many of the women teachers in Stanton haven't got a clue, and they pass their bad habits on to the younger women. The women go and tattle on their husbands to the teachers constantly. Women are a big part of the divorce problem in America as they initiate it 80%. They get their little attitudes and start doing their silent treatment if they don't get their way. The particularly vicious women start withholding sex and then whine and cry when their husbands are looking at porn and are with prostitutes. God sees what you women are doing and you are going to pay a price for your rebellious ways.
I know three women from the world who know more about being a Godly wife than many women in Stanton. The domineering woman who doesn't understand she was created to be a Helpmeet is an epidemic in America. She needs to be shown her place by Christian men, or Muslim men will conquer America, and then American women will be beaten for their foolishness.
https://thetransformedwife.com/
http://nogreaterjoy.org/blogs/createdtobehishelpmeet/
http://www.liesyoungwomenbelieve.com/?doing_wp_cron=1523392897.6356430053710937500000
Maybe i misinterpreted what you meant by "Stanton won't help the poor in the community". By community you mean members of the scoc in the community, not the common joe in the streets of a city, right
I specifically quit asking the church and it's members for help for these same reasons. Whenever you would ask for help with your electric bill it would turn into an inquisition from numerous members asking if you tried your family, friends, the state, etc. Then, after you answer the questions numerous times other ones would come up asking the same things.
Also, if you and anybody who didn't think you should get the help you wouldn't get it.
Aside from if you were abusing the treasury, there is nowhere in the scriptures that lays out any kind of prerequisite for getting help.
Another thing they busy themselves with is if they think you are not giving enough they will make it known.
I mean both. Primarily the members of Stanton, because the Church does help it's own first, but offering charity to those in need is a primary function of the church, and it isn't just those in your own church.
Stanton nearly bribes people. They tell them if you want help, you have to get baptized. I've seen people get baptized just to get food money and help with rent.
Yes, probably part of the reason why Stanton had such huge issues with teachers having so many problems with PRIDE!!! Christ washed his apostles feet, yet the teachers couldn't be bothered to help the truly poor of their own brethren. They'd send them over to the government. Pathetic! No wonder they can't convert the world.
Also, self reliance is important, but the church is supposed to help the poor, along with the rich in society, not the Gubmint.
It always made me furiously when they don't want anything to do with the WORDLY but yet can mooch and take their money as a blessing. If it's something they benefit from they can find reasoning for it. It made me sick. I had a husband who would work just long enough to get unemployment and didn't want to work and took all the freebies he could get. Even laughable workers comp. Such a real man. NOT! Using a so called excuse that he didn't want to work for anyone that makes money off of him being an employee for them. It was crazy. Now he's in the church struggling. I wonder why!
Furious! Oops
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:29 PM
That's sad, and I completely agree with you.
"It always made me furious when they don't want anything to do with the WORLDLY but yet can mooch and take their money as a blessing. If it's something they benefit from they can find reasoning for it".
Yes, amen!
"Using a so called excuse that he didn't want to work for anyone that makes money off of him being an employee for them."
Wow, total violation of the NT that tells people to work for their bosses like they work for God!!
I never understood why they never did any volunteering for the community, never voted yet had no shame getting anything for free they could get their hands on including food from F.I.S.H. And Food Stamps and Welfare and any scholarships,etc. in other words “takers” and not “givers”
Yes, from all I have personally seen it is indeed 'take' and then turn around and talk bad about the Worldies they take from. Off subject here but I remember one time at a fellowship, we were all outside and a worldly person said 'God Bless You' to us and that person was made fun of among the group. It disgusted me to no end! They constantly make fun of people. One of the reasons that made me leave, along with the constant 'gossip'!
Anon 8:46 agree 100% with your comment. That’s exactly how they operate. A young adult juggling on the side of the road a week or so ago for money. I thought look at that as he entertained me for a few minutes as I was in traffic. Of course Merie cult members at best may get him some food but never hand out money because of the possibility evil could be done with it. Is that not evil surmising? Well I gave him a couple bucks and felt good about it. No clue what he may do with it. Great points how the cult of Merie actually do use the world and abuse it as well.
I have heard it taught, in the church, that the welfare system was set up for the Christians.
In the heat or freezing snow and cold we would knock on doors. I can't tell you how many times we would find people in need of food and take food from our own pantries to take over to them. But we did learn through experience money was a different subject all together. Many times the poor would sell their food stamps for liquor then come to a church, any church, for money. They would come to non member classes with their utility bills. So I have to back the Stanton Churches of Christ for their judgments concerning giving out money at random. But giving of what they had at home? No problem. Many gave to their own hurt. So lets be fair here.
Lynn mm and Concerned, agree Lynn mm I heard the same foolishness as well. Really, welfare set up for Merie’s cult. Total coincidence. Time and chance for cult followers is all that was. Concerned I applaud those who did such a charitable deed for those outside of the cult who were in need. At least knocking on some doors helped someone in a positive way. Otherwise what a waste of time knocking on doors the lost teaching the lost. Or the lost teaching the saved. Either one works. Lol. Portland sure would never of done such a thing. Best scenario I saw was someone hungry coming to our building and it was I who took him near by to a fast food place and bought him a meal. I do agree with being careful with who you give money too. However, to say it’s a wrong I disagree. I can look at each situation for myself.
MC it sounds like you have the workings of a fiction novel. Just as Stanton believes they are the only ones that have salvation, you seem to be the only one on the planet with a very warped perception of the Stanton “churches”.
Powerful lesson today on equality. Proverbs 8 says by wisdom kings reign and in the book of ester you read how the enemies of the Jews had plotted to destroy them by royal decree and the king made a second decree allowing the Jews also to be armed; equality saved the Jews. In the book of Daniel you read of another royal decree that cast Daniel into a pit with lions but he lived then the same king cast Daniel's enemies into the same pit and they died; equality destroyed them. In Matthew 7(?) Christ gave a stern warning not to judge but the religious leaders of his day judged him worthy of death and used the Romans to kill him and in time God used the same Romans to kill those same Jews in ad70. Equating can save and equality can kill.
I'll be addressing the three rebellious women who rebel against God's command to be fruitful and multiply at my leisure. It's not going to be fun, that I can tell you.
HAHAHAHAHA.
You really do need a good editor for that book, MC. After all, you may need to address this topic to all women in the world who have not MULTIPLIED AT YOUR LEISURE.
I assume you have multiplied with absolutely NO ONE. You're clearly not doing your part here. Let me know when you catch up to me.
Honestly, I'm not too concerned about your opinion of my book. I'd be shocked if you read twenty classics in your entire life. Your ideas are woefully ahistorical, and your scorning and scoffing is typical of the typical mindless drone American, who has no idea what is right or wrong, but makes a business of laughing at wisdom.
In the absence of wisdom, you, just like Stanton, make a habit of informing yourself of the peccavi's of others and using it to rip them down. Just like the crab in a crab barrel. The bible and true Christians rip down sin to improve, but you have no interest in what is really right, only in doing what you feel like doing.
You also used a logical fallacy, the appeal to popular. It doesn't matter how many people disagree with a topic, right is right no matter what.
Jesus and Paul multiplied with no one either and they were the greatest teachers on marriage and children in the Bible. The Holy Spirit can speak truth into anyone.
Wise people learn from other's experience, fools have to learn from their own.
A foolish person has to say something but a wise person has something to say.
I didn't attack you, you attacked ideas you really understand nothing about. Rather than read and research you decided to blare your ideas, which are terribly uninformed, for everyone to see. As a result, just as pride is always smacked down, you have to be shown the place you refused to be in.
Nothing wrong with informed opinions, but your uninformed groupthink is totally worthless. Sorry!! Truth hurts. Quit playing Christian and standing up for unbiblical doctrines.
MC that's assuming you are wise and spouting words of wisdom! A HUGE assumption on your part!
A huge HELLO to you Ronita! It's been years! Hope that all is well with you and your family! I have nothing but wonderful and fond memories of you! Love you and wish you well,
Ryan here is a perfect example of arrogance; he treats himself well but treats others badly. Ryan says you are unbiblical then quotes worldly references thus being unbiblical himself. Last time he posted of owning a million dollar business this time it is 650 thousand, his stories of being financially blessed by God are just lies he tells himself to achieve the feeling of superiority, I know I do the same things myself. Ryan is not a spiritual guide, just another big bag of wind, all talk and no good works. I will pray for Ryan that God teach him humility that maybe he can find repentance from his pride.
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:22 AM
You have poor reading comprehension.
You missed the allusion to you lukewarm Christian snakes, who are fond of using the term "proud", "Arrogant", "conceited", "Pharisee", "judgemental", and "Legalistic". You are the WORST!!! You are headed to hell faster than the Muslims and Atheists.
And I love how you are anonymous, but you use others names. Typical Coward.
I'd like for you to explain to me what is wrong with using biblical sources and historical sources? Unless you are ignorant, you shouldn't have a problem with it. You have a library down the street. Use it.
Then you go on to blatantly lie. I never said I had a million dollar business. Your reading comprehension is miserable. But that doesn't stop you from talking up a storm. "Here comes the orator, with his flood of words, and his drop of reason".
I suspect you are the same person who is on here for years talking about "The tow truck preacher from Arizona" and am about 80% about that.
And I hope Baal and Ashtoreth are listening to your prayers, because the God of the New Testament certainly isn't.
Pride is talking when you don't know. That would be you, my friend. Kindly learn humility and learn before you speak so much.
You imitate Stanton's tricks. They are fond of calling people proud who have bothered to learn anything, and silence them, so they can be revered and admired. Too bad you didn't learn anything from them.
What position of superiority do all of us who are arrogant seek for? We seek the position where we do the thinking for others, this could be teacher, preacher, author, talk show host, drill instructor, etc. We arrogant avoid positions which require manual labor as work is beneath us. The pharissees held such an exalted position in jewish society but Jesus taught that servant leadership is the path to heaven and destroyed the fantasy world of the arrogant pharissees, in which everybody else worked and served them. Forsake arrogance and treat others as equals as Christ did.
MC- You have far greater knowledge of history than I do, but last time I checked, being a Christian does NOT require being a historian.
MC you are quite the conundrum! You mention the wrongs done by Stanton, then say it was a paradise to grow up in that 'church. Matthew 17:15-20 tell us that by their fruits ye shall know them. The founder's withdraw can disappear- but yours will be upheld until the day you die,(just or unjust) separating you from your family. I doubt your WD was scriptural MC, and I don't believe you have to continue to live in this Stanton/Self imposed prison. It may take coming to your senses about what Stanton really is for God to open a door of freedom to you. It did for me.
I am praying for you to be loosed from your chains and find that God does not require us to PROVE our love to Him. NOTHING we can do will ever be enough because God gave us Enough when He sent His Son to redeem us from our sins.
Thank you Donna, and there is nothing about history that anyone can't learn for free in the library. That people are mad at me for learning history is just their own laziness and pride. It's not my issue.
I didn't attack anyone on here, but people started swarming me like hornets for daring to state historical and biblical truths that everyone accepted just a century ago. Sad so many are brainwashed.
God said "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge". We all know it's easy to control those who know a little, and hard to control those who know a lot. That's why Christians are told to study, and not just the Bible. It's amazing that 90% of America's Christians know their hellivisions more than the Bible, then when I come along with historical truths, I'm crucified as being some kind of Pharisee. Umm no, this is just what we used to know and have forgotten.
Umm, have you forgotten Paul? He rebuked the Jews and expressed fondness for them. Christ did the same thing. Stop condemning ideas that your own Bible commends.
We will be judged on our works. The off church get's it way wrong. They say we can't be saved by our works, not understanding the works Paul is condemning are the ceremonial law works the Jews were trying to enforce on the Gentiles. Try committing fornication or lying and then dying and see where you end up if you don't repent.
MC please explain your post 4/9/18 @ 10:51 three rebellious women who should be fruitful and multiy at your leisure.
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:09 PM
Please explain why you are lazily asking me to explain what you refuse to research yourself?
Birth control was illegal in America in 1964.
If you read "Sexual Sabotage" you can figure out the history.
I don't brook impudent impertinence.
Strange answer to say the least. Your false accusations destroy any credibility you have. Your posts are non sequitur that is their is no clear line of reasoning. M Long question your post on 4/9/18 @ 10:51 and you response was to insult her intelligence, twenty classics read? Worldly wisdom is foolishness compared to God's word; I question the same post any you falsely accuse me of being lazy. Your only response is to insult others, you lift yourself up by cutting others down, you have the spirit of a pharisse and not the spirit of a wise man. I was trying to see if your mark and avoid was unscriptural act of a religious bully or if it was valid but your posts make little sense and serve only as a platform for you to criticize others and achieve the feeling of superiority that the arrogant crave above all else. I will pray for you Ryan that maybe you will be able to see your arrogance for yourself.
Anon 9:25 mark and avoid is withdrawal. Doesn’t matter what the bully wants to call it. Just as other of Merie’s doctrines that they continue to add on to what is already written. Hopefully MC as I do not and will not honor any of there unscriptural withdrawals. Matter of fact if anyone should be withdrawn from it should be the two paid preachers TC in the South and the SV guy GP. Add the main lady teacher KS in that mix too. Leaders of Meries cult should be shown the door and the cult shut down.
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 9:25 PM
Let's be clear. You are fond of calling others proud and I've read pages of your allegations of pride in Phoenix. Yet, you have not one single fact, historical evidence, or biblical proof that anything I said was in error, yet you arrogantly hop on here, and call me arrogant. It's astounding the lack of self introspection you have.
Notice, I didn't attack you, you came and attacked me. But it's really hard to tell the truth without those, like you, who hate the idea that the truth might exist outside your existing knowledge store, coming on and swarming it like piranhas. The wise learn from truth, the fools seek to destroy it.
Umm, no, my posts contain no logical fallacy at all. You may not understand the reasoning behind it, but rather than ask questions, you attack. That's a very foolish way to go about things, and while you are busy calling me a Pharisee, you are busy imitating their behavior. You already lied once on here, saying I said I made a million dollars a year, when I never said such a thing. You also lied about two years ago, when you again made a false accusation against me. You have a very bad habit of falsely accusing people, and attacking ideas you don't understand. Then you try to defend yourself by claiming other people are "arrogant", and you are "humble".
You make my head spin.
Yes, it's very fair if someone attacks your author abilities, then their comprehension of the classics can be called into question. Great readers are often great writers. But it seems you have a bad habit of forgetting you have two ears and one mouth for a reason, so you can listen twice as much as you talk. Right now, it seems as if you have ten mouths and one ear.
Never mind worldly wisdom, history is something everyone can learn. If you have time to listen to music, watch hellivision, pay attention to Hollyweird, or other carnal activities which your carnal thinking suggest your life is full of, then you ought to have time to learn history, and no, that's not worldliness. The Jews knew their history very well, and there is nothing wrong with learning it. History always repeats itself.
The Bible is great to know and it is the most important book in history, but Stanton has demonstrated there are many who know only the Bible and get lost.
Solomon said "A rod for the back of fools", and "Open rebuke is better than secret love". That's not pride, that's nature and God's order. Knowledge applied is wisdom. Attacking ideas one does not understand and never has researched is the definition of pride, no wise man ever does it.
The Pharisees rejected and demeaned ideas they did not understand, and you are on here repeating their mistakes 2,000 years later.
You have no idea of the circumstances surrounding my withdrawal and excommunication, yet concern yourself with judging it without learning them. Explain how that is wise? There was one sentence I said that the church withdrew from me for. What was it? If you wish to judge, you ought to have all the facts involved. If you don't even have that, then why are you calling others arrogant?
I don't make it a habit to go judging your life when I don't know anything about you or what led to your situation, and I only ask you extend the same courtesy.
Of course my posts make little sense to you. You've done zero research into history and in reading anything but the Bible. The Bible's nice, but we've had 2,000 years of men trying to follow it, and if you think you don't need to learn from them, good luck with that.
Last I checked those who use others names publicly, but hide their own are cowards.
Lastly, with your pride (thinking one knows, when one does not) no one is hearing your prayers but Baal. Make sure you pray extra loud so Baal hears you, he might be sleeping.
Thank you Craig,
I'll not be honoring their unscriptural withdrawals or excommunications at all.
Just Saturday I went to go paintballing with family and friends, and a member of Stanton, a young man raised in the church, came along.
I was first warned not to talk to him. Imagine, I have to be warned not to talk to people to honor a ridiculous and absurd judgement.
I had no problem with it. Kept my distance, had a fun day, though it admittedly isn't easy constantly facing Stanton's constant efforts to suppress those who dare to disagree with it. God is over all though. I forgive all, as they don't know what they are doing. I'll pray for them.
You’re welcome MC. I simply laugh off at there foolishness. A month or so ago as I was picking up some groceries after worship I bumped into a few Merie cult members. There newest member the hypocrite preachers son came over to me all excited and began talking and shook my hand. Another member who I was close too and who I had hired numerous times to do work on my vehicles over the years snubbed me. I made sure I got his attention with a hello. He muttered under his breath hello back. After telling my wife also a cult member about it and how he failed to apply Matt 5:16 and to pass it on to him. My wife told me to tell him. So I messaged him and lit him up for his rudeness and how there new one out him to shame. I’ll look forward to further encounters with them. Can’t wait to BUMP into the preacher. That’s going to be fun. Maybe take a large group of my real friends to there gatherings.
The welfare system being set up for them is the only thing they can find for an excuse for them taking from the worldly in order to use something that benefits them.
Anon 3:46 very true. Also funny hearing at least one of the women who used the system in Portland complain now that she has to work into her 60’s and probably 70’s. Hey, but she was able to stay home with her kids and attend all the classes and do the PW while others paid her way. I’ll call that abusing the world not just using it. I know of others who abused it as well. Names?
Craig, Oh I'd love to be spouting off names in here. Why not. They do it in THEIR group. Lol. my X husband is now paying for using all systems out there the best he could in his working/younger years in order to not have to work for someone. He wanted to be his own boss or nothing. Well now he's paying for it in his older years. I should be feeling sorry for him but I can't feel sorry for someone that is still in the church and knows what goes on in there, as he does, more so than most all of the members. It makes my stomach turn!
Anon 6:02 I agree. There are a lot of self employed members who will not have a retirement. I’d hear don’t worry about it God will provide. Much easier to keep the cult schedule being self employed. Does anyone know if the two paid preachers TC and GP support is taxable. I remember hearing when GP taxes were do as Portland would pay part of it he would instruct to write it out to ? drawing a blank on the rest of what he would instruct. Btw GP how much is your support? Lol
God expects us to work and take care of our families and provide for their needs. These lazy people who many times tell lies to get Welfare and other benefits are also telling themselves lies. They are being deceitful among many other things. Oh how weird and dysfunctional. If only I had known this while still working for the State I would gladly have been a whistle blower. Anything to put an end to all the fraud.
I might add private citizens can also be whistleblowers.
Even if they have to prove they apply for jobs to stay on benefits, I know alot make their applications so they don't get hired. Hopefully that game is going to end soon.
Jo some members do work hard and provide for their families but lack job skills to earn enough and are truly in need of welfare. I have seen however members who were self employed who worked a little and received welfare and fed off of their fellow church members. Breadseekers, or freeloaders are in every religion and every area of life. Some of the free services were free use of others vehicles and return the empty on gas, free house repair, free car repair, when you have willing and sincere people you will find a freeloading wolf. It is the freeloading wolves that I had a problem with, why were they allowed to remain? The seeking of higher education was discouraged but not prohibited, the investment in retirement plans was also discouraged but not prohibited. Prudence toward old age was missing, we all get old and will reach a point where we cannot work, what then? The church is not going to be able to financially support very man people.
I know one man who worked five days a week plus overtime when he could and went to all the “required” fellowships and church services,bible studies and personal work and still helped his mother after his dad passed away unexpectedly and that is my son. You may know him. I worked for the state nearly 50 years and we were very aware of the game players. However, many were not and each person that came to my desk were treated with respect. It got very difficult, however, when we knew they were leading a double life or living off welfare girlfriends and not looking for work,etc. we will always have people who want something for nothing and those who church hop looking for handouts. Many will be totally unprepared for retirement and that is a shame. If they think they will be able to live off Social Security they will be sadly disappointed. I am so glad my parents taught us the value of earning our own way. I am blessed!
Yes they teach that God allows those benefits for the members there.
If you get in the group and you're young, you're really going to struggle later. They keep you too busy to go to school. You might have your regular job that pays basics. Any time left over is for classes, fellowships, babysitting, personal work, etc. So you can't go get an education because you're too busy. you may not even have time for some sort of certification. And while many classes in college can be useless, you still need degrees for a lot of jobs, such as accounting or radiology. I haven't heard college be as talked down about as it was years ago, but that mindset is still there. Even in large cities where there are many colleges there just isn't a priority to get members' kids in. They certainly wouldn't ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE it!
So you get another generation that'll be dependent one way or another.
The sad thing to me is seeing many single women truly struggling because they followed the sect's rules and then their husbands left them. They suffer along with the kids.
So you young ones in the sect PREPARE. No one will watch your kids 5 days a week so you can work to feed them. No one will pay your bills. No one will buy your groceries for months or years. Certainly not "the church". So start making your own decisions because You are the one that will live with it.
You are right I have seen this thinking with personal experience with my grandchildren and their friends. I do not want to see them struggle the rest of their lives. Are you in this cult or out of it? I think every person in this cult should read this blog and maybe gradually their eyes will open. Difficult when their good friends are still in and life is fun right now.
Well said, I completely agree with Jo, and
AnonApril 13, 2018 at 12:25 AM.
Meanwhile, our government is requiring people to love homosexual sex to be appointed for public office, and Stanton is off beneath a rock somewhere.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29410/do-you-believe-gay-sex-perversion-according-ben-shapiro
I just was escorted by police out of a meeting for criticizing homosexuals.
It's at the 33:30 mark.
http://vallejo.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=3&clip_id=2098
Even the liberal Washington Compost knows that's a violation of free speech.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.0e6c97c630c3
William Brennan, a notorious leftist SCOTUS justice, said this, "“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.”
"If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. Stalin and Hitler, for example, were dictators in favor of freedom of speech for views they liked only. If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise.”
Jo 10:38 I had heard about this blog in 2013. It was talked about in a class and of course talked bad about. The paid preacher from SV challenged members to read this blog and after they did to let him know. Reason so he would withdraw from anyone who took him up on his dare. You know me well. I fear no one. However, out of respect I chose not to read it until I realized and confirmed I was not a member. Thank goodness. But I was curious why the SV guy challenged members to read it and report back to him. So I read it. Every bit of it and became disgusted with the SCOC and it’s leadership, it’s history and present day practices to the point I needed to comment and do so with my name attached. No fear I’m a nonmember. Well they chose to withdraw from s nonmember. The SV guy and TC and the rest of the jokers obviously fear me. Bottom line GP the paid preacher from SV fears losing members which will happen when members read this blog. TC the other paid preacher from the South and GP will be supported for LIFE even when they do less than what they are already not doing. So GP that’s your fear for threatening and bullying members from reading this blog is it not? Come on now tell the truth.
Craig, I so agree. You can't tell me income doesn't cross their mind with the loss of members. With the way they think you 'know' they are reading this. Minds that gossip like this and want to keep so much control can't stay away from this type of thing and they would want to be prepared to answer a question also. We all know they avoid that for the most though. I see PP updated her profile pic so I'm sure she has a mission if she is on Facebook when I was told the "whole church decided no Facebook". That makes me laugh. No it wasn't the 'whole church'. Only the ones in 'control'.
So what is the weekly contributions of COC members. Is it still $60 a week like my ex-wife (commited Cult member gave each week. I've got lots if checks written out of our joint account to the COC.. I was never a member of this cult, yet they fed off my income for decades by brain wshing my ex into their perverted desires. So now that she no longer has access to my income that payment to the cult has been greatly reduced. When enough members leave the cult will collapse. So many will be left to wnder What was their purpose in the cult. Was it only to support the Greedy Preacher (GP) or the True Coward (TC)? Yes you've all been duped by this devious duo and their female accomplices. I was duped for over 20 years by a wife who imagined some great world apart from reality. It brought so much diruption to our entire family and lives, that can not be repaired, but I see hope for others who are seeing reality. I'm of the "World" I do not believe I need to live by the "good book". I hope the cult's collapse comes soon. The activity on the blog seems to continue to produce results towards that end. It will undoubtedly become the crack that shatters the dark facades of the cult and allows the light of truth in. Don't remain in darkness, the World is not that Scary and there are Good People other than Christians.
Anon 5:07 Hmm I tried to look Paula up on FB couldn’t find her. I was going to send her a friend request. To bad her profile picture couldn’t be shown here on this blog. Yes they are hypocrites do as I say not as I do. Preacher MM here in Portland is one as well. Owns a business so FB was okay for him though he showed my wife and I something about it one day and he was at least friends with his oldest son. Just one example of MM hypocrisy. So many stories I could tell that are incredibly disturbing. Yet the Scoc has such a demand for men and preachers they continue to allow the snake MM to preach. Oh he finally got a good man yet unworthy to be a preacher back up to help him. Anyways GP and TC being the paid preachers that they are should change the rules and open it up to all the other unworthy preachers to be paid. Sounds fair don’t you think GP and TC.
I just found Paula on FB. Hypocrite!! Plus she’s not very friendly as her page won’t allow me to friend her. Lol
Craig, ever since this was mentioned on here she has gotten many views to that family video that was mentioned, so there are alot of people reading this blog. It sickens me they control members and they can make excuses for why they can be on. It's to spy of course!
Anon 2:14 that’s awesome. Keep spreading the word about the blog. I’m doing my part. Need to put it into the ears of members here in Portland. Most members are great people just being led astray by the sickening leaders of the cult. The control which is also oppression is part of the sickening practices of Merie’s cult. Oops I mentioned Paula’s name in my two previous comments. Sorry about that Paula. I meant PP. Lol.
Love it. She deleted her FB now or deactivated her account now that we have talked about it so much. Or maybe put a few of us on her block list. Yep, they will always watch this blog. I'm laughing here out loud lol
Good work! We know there are spies on here…..so funny when you really think about it. There are lots of ways to spy on them but who wants to waste our time. I would rather study God’s words and be in fellowship of people who really are Christians so we can grow…
MC. I watched that video and I applaud you for standing up and saying what you did.
I am not on FB but my daughter is and FB tells her who has viewed her page. My daughter asked me if I knew a man who had viewed her page and the profile and picture was the preacher from Albuquerque but when we tried to pull his profile up FB said that it had been deleted which means he created a profile did some searching then deleted his profile so he could not be searched, sneaky to say the least. The last time I saw the preacher from Albuquerque was 2002, a full 16 years ago. Does he not realize that you leave footprints when you surf the internet? My daughter due to the physical abuse she suffered at church babysitting disdains all religious people. When my daughter attended high school her friends were other kids who had been abused by their religious parents, one girl was Muslim and required to wear a head scarf which she took off as soon as her parents left the school and put it on before she was picked up in the afternoon. Another was a homosexual boy who suffered from his parents so my daughter views all religious people as abusive and will not talk to any religious person. Several people from the SCOC have done friend requests but my daughter does not respond because of they have associations with religion. I show my now adult daughter love and support and hopefully in time I can heal her heart from the emotional wounds she received as a child in the SCOC. The preacher from Albuquerque liked to threaten and sow discord so I have no respect for him and no interest in anything he has to say. The preacher from Albuquerque one time ran right up to me and gotten in my face, another time he threatened the whole congregation saying " if members do not stop calling the evangelists they had better watch out!" Physical bullying was his speciality, just as he learned to do as a boatswain mate in the navy.Do not these religious bullies realize that we the sincere believers have marked them as abusive and avoid them?
One of the consistent false accusations from one certain grandmother who did church babysitting was that the children were unclean. I could not see any sexualized behavior in the children in the SCOC and did not understand what she was talking about but the grandmother babysitter was consistent in her accusation that the problem with the children was that they were being unclean. Today I am a grandfather and now understand what was the basis for her false accusations against children. It is much easier to say that children are unclean than to spend the time with them and give them the attention children need. It is much easier to stand aloof and criticize than to make the sacrifice of self and give children the love they both need and demand of the adults in their life. I willingly sacrifice my sleep, my studies, my money for my grandchildren because I love my grandchildren. The selfish and self centered grandparents do little for children rather they reject children through the criticism of uncleaness. Just because a woman says I knew Marie and have one of her bibles does not mean she is capable of loving others, especially children. Try the spirits and see if these people have love before you trust them to watch your cildren.
FB does not tell you who viewed your page. If so explain how?
Yup I was able to see PPs profile just a few days ago. It was up too last year when we had a similar discussion. I guess it was finally noticed that we were talking about it. Just goes to show they really are monitoring this blog. I suppose it's easier to get off FB than it is to stop telling people they shouldn't socialize online.
Yup I was able to see PPs profile just a few days ago. It was up too last year when we had a similar discussion. I guess it was finally noticed that we were talking about it. Just goes to show they really are monitoring this blog. I suppose it's easier to get off FB than it is to stop telling people they shouldn't socialize online.
FB shows my daughter everyone who has viewed he page. I don't know the technical specifics of how but will find out for you.
No.. It doesn't show you who viewed your FB. There are apps for that and those do not even work. IF you have a video clip or a post posted a certain way it will show you who viewed it and everyone else can see that too along with you. I've been on Facebook since the beginning. Business pages run a bit differently though. I'd like to know what she is seeing also
I asked my daughter about FB this morning and she said what she showed me was the people who had made a friend request and FB suggestions of mutual friends. I misunderstood what she had showed me, I thought it was the people who had viewed her page, my wrong I apologize for the mistake. I was concerned that the threatening preacher was trying to stalk me but my fear was apparently unfounded. I am arrogant but not so arrogant that I can't admit when I am wrong.
Thank you Lynn.
Update, a homosexual lawyer just called me today, and said he was a proponent of the First Amendment, and wanted to defend me and take my case. Crazy!
Good for you anon. I doubt you are arrogant either. Have a great day!
For the Christians who don't know their Bibles or history and constantly want to chirp about others arrogance and pride, just like Stanton, it would be good to learn about Eliab.
"And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spake unto the men; and Eliab's anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why camest thou down hither? and with whom hast thou left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know thy pride, and the naughtiness of thine heart; for thou art come down that thou mightest see the battle."
I agree about the history. When studying out the book of Daniel there were actually two Abomination of Desolations. One during the silent years and the other after ascension. There is a reason why Paul said, "to the Greeks, foolishness", as Corinth was under Greek control at the time and Greeks prided themselves on their study and knowledge of science, Math, and astrology. In Matthew when it is taught, "it is a gift", is it referring to when the Pharisees taught people how not to help their parents in dedicating their possessions to the temple as a gift and getting it back in Jubilee. I studied these things out and was shot down by Tacoma as being wrong.
Craig my experience with mark and avoid was different. While I was in withdrawal from 1999-2001 I had to go to a heavy truck dealership where one of the Christians worked as a partsman. The Christian was very loudly and angrily complaining that the mechanics were not giving him the repair order numbers to charge the parts against, when he went into the partsroom to get parts I told him to "quit complaining" and he came right back out angrily questioning who said that. For this on the job behavior I was threatened with being marked and avoided on top of my current withdrawal for not honoring my withdrawal. Your understanding may be correct but how the SCOC uses mark and avoid is important to understand the difference between the scriptures and current SCOC practice. Before 2001 mark and avoid was not taught nor used in the SCOC, Merri never mentioned it in any of lessons which I have read and it was not mentioned nor used prior to 2001. The new teaching of mark and avoid was introduced in 2001 and not at a may meeting but by fiat, that is the preacher teacher rule. Who introduced this new method of church discipline was never mentioned but it no doubt came from the national leader. In studying human behavior one can look to Solomon who was rejected by God but allowed to remain alive and keep his position as a king. After one is rejected by God they are reprobate that is hopeless and how did Solomon behave after his rejection? In 2 kings we read that when his son Rehaboam was to take the throne he was told of how his father whipped his servants, this shows the bitterness and cruel state of mind Solomon developed as a reprobate. In ecclesiastical you read the writings of a narcissist a man who took credit for every good thing he had received in his life and not giving credit to God for anything. Solomon's wives turned his heart away from God how? They played the groupies, sypocant, yes men to him never telling him he was wrong, never reproving him. Solomon turned away from God when he fell in love with himself. How is the current leadership treated in the SCOC? The same, leaders cannot be reproved and are surrounded by yes men. What the future holds is in no doubt in my mind, rejection by God.
Soft hearted or hard hearted you tell me. In Luke 16:19-31 we read of a rich man that was so callous, so compassionateless, so inhumane that he would not allow a beggar to feed himself off of the crumbs that fell to the floor. We read a similar story about Christ and a Caananite woman in Matthew 15:21-28 Who asked for help with her daughter and at first Christ refused calling her a dog but she said even dogs feed off of the crumbs and Christ showed her compassion, mercy and healed her daughter, he was soft hearted. Does the SCOC share any of their spiritual bread or are they so hard hearted that none of their crumbs from may week are released to the outsiders? Selfish in the extreme is the sign of a rich man and a rich church. Hard hearted or soft hearted you tell me.
One of the powerful yet subtle psychological tools of the SCOC is discouragement. Through constant criticism of anything and everything a member did or said discouragement was achieved in the members mind. Discouragement can come from a feeling of being overwhelmed. In my time in the SCOC God was always portrayed as being angry with man. Every disaster, natural or man made was cited as evidence of God being dissatisfied with wicked man. Having a world view of doom and gloom lead to being discouraged, which leads to a feeling of loss of control and feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. Once discouraged a member normally becomes dependant upon their spiritual leader for guidance however my teaching preacher so loved the power of discouragement that he never let up and the result was apathy. No one wanted to take a position of authority or responsibility because they were so discouraged. 15 men at one time and none matured into spiritual leaders, all the men did nothing or if they stood behind the pulpit they quickly sat back down. Discouragement kills, both physically and spiritually! Learn to recognize discouragement in yourself and others and fight it with encouragement. Disarm Satan reject discouragement outright!
Anon 228…very insightful. I never saw that the discouragement was due to the typical doom and gloom teachings especially at every nonmember class. I actually saw those as uplifting. But I can see that while I may have felt special that I was in "the one true church", long term all that constant teaching was discouraging. That discouragement is what prompted so many questions on my part about it being the place for me.
I think about how often members there were discouraged. It was often a topic in sharing.
Did anyone else here notice the topic of discouragement at a personal level coming up often?
One of my great concerns with the members who attended my SCOC was with aggressive behavior. You must understand that several members had felony behavior some were convicted some were not. One man who preached had a conviction from courts martial for a violent assault upon a fellow army soldier. Another was convicted of felony assault and served time in prison for it, another had neither been arrested nor convicted but was told not to say anything about his criminal past as it was before his baptism. Another was a convicted sex offenders on parole and the fifth was a man who preached and was arrested for exposing himself go his neighbor. As long as these men were peaceable I could fellowship with them but when any of them displayed aggressive behaviors it was of great concern. Aggressive behaviors starts with the raising of the voice at other adults, then expressing yourself in anger, then in stalking. A violent assault would be the next behavior but I did not see any assaults. With a teaching preacher who was constantly raising his voice and expressing himself in anger it is a wonder that violence did not break out amongst members. When you see aggressive behaviors among Christians be concerned that they might return to their past behaviors.
Does breaking the bread at the Lord's supper really lead to sodomy? No but he did touch upon a truth and then miss applied it. From tiny acorns do mighty oaks grow a study of slothgulness reveals this. In the military the commanders noticed something way back in WWI and that was when their men were allowed to be idle no amount of food would satisfy them. The tiny acorn was idle time which lead to laziness which leads to extreme laziness (slothfulness) When the men were allowed to be idle the got bored and to relieve boredom they started eating, and over eating. As they over ate their stomach grew from normal size(about the size a your fist) to much larger and they no longer felt the full feeling they once did and ate more to try and get this feeling but could not achieve a feeling of fullness, they became insatiable with food. When I was in the military we were always kept busy doing something, if you were idle you got punished for it and quickly too. No one knew why we had to do busy work all the time we were just told to do as we were told. When I got out of the military I slowly dropped the habit of busy Ness and started putting on weight and did not know why. One woman, a counsoler got married and went to Des Moines and started putting on weight and then murmuring. What led her astray? Idle time, now married she no longer had to provide for herself and had time to kill, and that idle time killed her spiritually. Alcohol, drugs, sex all have the same effects if left unrestrained. The body builds a tolerance to the effects of alcohol, and drugs and more is required to produce the same effect, a person quickly becomes insatiable with drugs and alcohol. Sex the tolerance builds in the mind and with the viewing of adult materials what is normal no longer satisfies and more extreme material is required to satisfy the sex addict, they become sexually insatiable becoming homo sexual, pedophiles, and worse. If you are viewing adult materials stop today for you will become a pervert and even a pedophile and end up in prison then Hell. Murmuring is a behavioral fruit of uncleaness, and uncleaness is a behavioral fruit of idle time. Control how you spend your idle time not how many times you break bread at the Lord's supper, unrestrained behaviors lead to sodomy not the number of times you can break the bread. Idle time has to be prepared for, like carrying your bible to read when you have to wait due to an unforseen event. Control your idle time and you control you desires, and save your soul.
What is your definition of uncleanness? Anon 12:59 Apr. 19
In Ezekiel 24:13-Unclean through lewdness; ( Also, The Biblical definition is more important than a secular definition because God’s standard is higher than that of man and uncleanness is deemed to be something or someone that is not clean, foul, dirty, filthy or detestable before God. This can include adultery (in reality or in the heart) as well as “sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these” (Gal 5:19-21a) and which Paul wrote “I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Gal 5:21b).
Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2015/05/20/how-does-the-bible-define-uncleanness-what-does-it-mean-to-be-unclean/#00POvmugQCyy0SQC.99. Or in the Stanton churches of christ simply masturbation or sexual lewedness.
I never have heard of a church so hung up on masturbation or sexual lewedness in my life! Sick!
Anon 7:18 funny as well they’ve had many men fall to pornography though they teach against all the sexual lewdness etc. Portland has had issues. Preachers in other congregations as well. Hypocrites. They kept the TV’s out of homes but allowed the computer/internet into them. Brilliant move idiots. So called leaders ha ha. Though it’s not the TV, computer/internet that’s the problem. It’s what being put on them. Holy Spirit dwelling within these so called leaders? No
Anon 4/19 @ 7:18 if you never heard of a church having to deal with sexual lewdness then you have never heard of the Catholic church, or David Berg and his group the children of God, or Jim jones and his group the peoples temple, come on now religion and sexual perversion go hand in hand, as does any organization that grants absolute authority to its leader. Being raised Catholic I saw several priests defrocked for being arrested for sexual crimes, such as solicitation, child molestation, public lewdness. Every organization that fails to monitor its leaders suffers corruption. In the SCOC counselor is the highest rank of spiritual leader and the female counselor in Des Moines showed behavioral fruits of uncleaness for years but no one was allowed to question someone of such high spiritual rank and the abuse was widespread. Gluttony is an unrestrained behavior, sexual lewdness is an unrestrained behavior, murmuring against authority is an unrestrained behavior. A little leaven leavened the whole lump, what you allow in one tiny area of life will quickly spread to every area of your life, leaders are no exception to this rule, unrestrained behavior in one area quickly spreads to every other area of life. The problem with allowing corrupt leaders to remain is that the whole organization becomes corrupt. Leaders who show a lack of self restraint in one area need to be watched in every area of their life for corruption. My first teaching preacher had a very short temper but was allowed to preach for years and many suffered under his abuse, what other areas of life did lack self restraint? One can only wonder as he taught he was worthy of double honor and could not be questioned. The SCOC has a double set of ethics, leaders cannot be questioned but the lower members are questioned on a regular basis about the very same behaviors leadership displays. Foolishness will bring immediate questioning, but in Prescott the teaching preacher from Great Falls could not speak a reproof without stopping mid sentence and laughing at himself, he was later arrested for exposing himself, he displayed foolishness when trying to speak with authority but was not questioned about it. Where does it start or more to the point where does it stop? It stops or starts with little areas of restraint or lack of restraint, like idle time we all experience everyday, I restrain myself when driving from listening to the radio and instead have the bible on CD which I listen to as I drive, for me drive time is study time. (I learned that trick from Brian Tracy in his book no excuses, a great read).
They're going to keep having issues with porn and such like because they don't leave it to parents to deal with. Instead they speak about it unfettered in front of the kids so of course it causes them to eventually be curious. Idiots!
Gluttony is a sin was mentioned above. Everyone in the SCOC is doomed then. All those gluttonous fellowships!
I agree with you 10:41. And I have seen body shaming within the church as well as frozen feelings. So sad!
It is a carnal church and one has to wonder with the governoring board meeting next month what new carnal rule will be imposed upon its members? What scripture will be pulled out of the old testament and mandated that Christians have to follow? In the past some rules were that members were not to get more than four hours of sleep a night and they were to call each other and make sure, or women could not wear pants with zippers in the front, or women have to wear stockings. Will the new carnal rules be with men shaving their heads because Paul the apostle shaved his head, or perhaps members have to buy a horse and care for it because there is mention of horses in the book of revelations? The deeper things of God like how does one love others as Christ did will that be expounded upon? I fully expect the SCOC to continue their back sliding into Judaism until they are like the Catholics, part old testament and part new testament.
This all disgusts me.. Minds of the not so normal making up rules they eventually changed.. Proof right there of the warped minds that people are to follow.. Lol.. Unreal
AnonymousApril 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM
Bryan Tracy's book "No Excuses" is great.
Porn is the number one threat to the church and America. It's not just Stanton that's grappling with it. 80% of 11 year olds are looking at it on their phones.
If kids get into drugs and porn, we are sunk as a nation, so it's extremely important to fight this now. The day is coming when we can't fight it.
http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/join-the-sex-ed-sit-out/
http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/schools-in-43-states-blasted-for-porn-curriculum/
Stanton was right about masturbation and porn being dangerous, but wrong about how to go about it. Their method of cutting people off from the church simply destroys the church and those who they cut off.
It's sad they don't understand how to restore people. The fact is, without a church community, it's nearly impossible to overcome porn, masturbation, or any of the other sexual sins.
But, many of them are free from sexual sin, and have got the appeal of a porcupine to the world, because they can't relate and they write people off way too easily.
They are the modern day Pharisees. The Pharisees weren't in trouble for calling out sin, they were in trouble for damning people who still had hope. Stanton has the same problem.
God chastises to make chaste. Stanton chastises to destroy. And as we do to others, so God does to us, and they wonder why God opposes them.
They aren't growing and never will. They keep having big families, and they have less than a 10% retention rate for the kids raised in the church, and their conversion rate for knocking on doors is absolutely horrible. But, they take this as a sign that only a few go to heaven. They make a virtue of their ineptitude.
Only a few do go to heaven, Stanton, but your horrible growth over the last 30 years is not a reflection of society, but rather, a reflection of the God awful methods you use of spreading the Gospel.
Historically clueless, Stanton continues to bumble along, and fiercely attacks any who try to correct their inept methods.
They prefer to have long soliloquies about breaking the bread once, twice, or thrice, but refuse to sit down and take the time to honestly call a struggling brother or sister. Instead, they sit in bible class and pray for the "spiritually weak", one of the most pretentious and proud prayers perhaps ever uttered on earth.
The greatest among us are the servants of all, not the ones who constantly exalt themselves over others, when they have absolutely no results in the church to justify their exalting themselves.
Church discipline is great, but the entire end of it was to reform people, and to keep the church thriving. Stanton has it all backwards. Instead of kicking out the blatant heretics who teach open sin, like homosexuality, fornication, or those who openly practice them, they instead kick out people who are merely dealing with these sins and ask for help. If any confides in them, they use these confidences to blast all over the church to "warn" others. In reality, it's to make themselves look good, and they could give two hoots about the person they are disciplining.
They have badly mangled church discipline and have made an art form of punishing those God never commanded them to punish.
The biggest sin in Stanton is disagreeing with a teacher. If you commit homosexuality or incest, you are in better shape than you would be if you disagree with a teacher.
So, when you study your Bible in Stanton, NEVER, EVER, EVER find any teaching that contradicts your teacher. If you do, you will be in severe trouble, and you had better pray that the Dear Lord delivers you from the dangerous idea that you might actually have learned something from your studies that might benefit the church that differs from your teacher. Put it on the shelf!!!! If the shelf gets too heavy, REINFORCE IT WITH MORE PLANKS OF MAN PLEASING AND THE FEAR OF MAN, BECAUSE THE MINUTE THAT YOUR DISAGREEING WITH THE TEACHER REACHES OTHERS, YOUR TIME IN STANTON IS EXPIRED AND YOUR NAME IS MUD.
Rule #1 in Stanton: Thou can do all the sins thou wantest to do, but thou shalt never disagree with the teachers, no matter what. What the teachers lack in money, since they don't take money ordinarily unless they are deemed an evangelist (which means really nothing, since the evangelists travel just as much as everyone else, which is practically not at all), they make up for in power. They seem to think that since they don't take money, they ought to be compensated in absolute deference to every last opinion they have. God help the poor soul who blunders and disagrees with them.
Anon 2:07 agree and it all started with a warped mind of a legitimate withdrawn from member named Merie Weiss. This all should disgust a normal person. The more followers of this cult who reads this blog will leave. Come on GP give your members the green light (green light since they can’t do so without your permission lol) to read this blog. If you have the truth what’s there to fear GP. Be a man. Let your members think for themselves. Your way GP is a DEAD END. BTW how much is your support?
MC 4:25 Brilliant. Couldn’t agree with you more.
Agreed, Craig. I think Merie had many wonderful teachings, and I doubt many of the kids in the church would have been born without her insistence that women not practice birth control, which is totally scriptural.
That said, it wasn't the woman's place to lead. Her leadership, and woman trying to be leaders in America is badly handicapping the nation. Women ARE NOT FIT TO LEAD THE MAN!! They were created to be helpmeets, not leaders. 70% of single women vote Democrat, and the majority of married women do too. Our first serious female Presidential candidate was the MOST CORRUPT CANDIDATE IN AMERICAN HISTORY, WITH NO CLOSE CONTENDERS FOR SECOND PLACE.
Femi Nazi's have commandeered our nation. Women and men were not created the same, and only a fool thinks they are equal. Women belong in the home, having children. These stubborn and rebellious women, which are a backlash for libertine men not doing their duty before God and by their families, are a plague on our nation.
Women literally control Stanton. They are destroying the young men in the church with their horrid approach to uncleanness, and have no mercy or compassion whatsoever. In the women in Stanton's mind, if a man deals with uncleanness, he is doomed forever, and they will speed up the process for him.
They are cruel, draconian, spiteful, domineering and brawling. And the church is going nowhere with them calling the shots, and the men sitting supinely and spinelessly doing nothing. A bunch of pantywaists and pusillanimous and henpecked men is what we have. Makes me wish Muhammad was in Stanton. He'd fix the problem real quick.
And when a man is constantly around brawling women, no wonder they turn to porn. It's a sin and evil, but when their wives are constantly nagging, and refuse to respect their husbands, men are driven to the lying sirens of the sex industry, who promise much, and deliver nothing.
I wonder how many men Stanton has emasculated and enervated with it's ruinous doctrines. Can you imagine getting withdrawn from for having sex some other way besides the missionary? How degrading and humiliating!! And where does the Bible tell the church to check up on the bedroom habits of it's members? What a bunch of interfering busybodies we have!! While Stanton hasn't got the time to learn the history of America or the church in the last 2,000 years, they have plenty of time to be bedroom police.
And I've held back from attacking GP, but no more.
While I'm grateful for the good things he taught and stood for, a little fly in the ointment of the apothecary spoils it, and his actions are like a rat being in the ointment.
How in the world are you going to refuse to hear the appeals of members who were wronged in your church, GP? As you deny justice to God's creation, so shall God deny you justice on the final day, unless you repent.
And how much do you make, GP? Exactly where were you traveling to that makes you an Evangelist, GP? Driving to church every Sunday, Tuesday, and Wednesday does not make you an evangelist, last I checked.
And what have you got to say for yourself to justify the fact that Stanton hasn't grown a whit in the last decade?
When sports teams do poorly, they fire the manager. What happens when Stanton does poorly? The member's get criticized, and we are told sin is in the camp often. Then, people are made examples of and the futility continues.
God is going to hold the evangelists responsible for the injustice they allow in their churches. The draconian methods they enforce will be returned upon them. The merciful will obtain mercy, but the evangelists aren't merciful.
GP and TC had the opportunity to correct wrongs and they both were silent. The voice of the oppressed cries out, and God will bring justice and it won't be pretty. God will deliver those oppressed by Stanton's nonsense doctrines, because at the very moment when America needs biblical Christianity, Stanton is out perverting it.
Stanton can't be bothered to get involved in politics, but darned if they can't spend 4 hours discussing whether a burger in the building is permissible. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!! Shame on the teachers!! Truly did Christ say of them, straining at gnats and swallowing camels!!
The world is crying out for the gospel, and we are making mountains out of molehills!! The crime that got the Pharisees in trouble wasn't their calling out sin, it was their harsh and unmerciful judgements on the penitent. When someone is already sorry for their sins, it isn't time to heap more punishments on!!
According to Stanton, the story of the Prodigal Son was all wrong. His father was wrong for accepting him before he had written a book of confessions to read off for five hours before his father accepted him back. This is totally backwards in Stanton's mind. That he was accepted back and given a feast is very grating to the Stanton leaders. They think the righteous are the ones who deserve to have the praise of angels in heaven, and they hate the fact that Christ said that heaven is happier over one sinner who repents than over the 99 righteous who don't need repentance.
Sad!! It's very sad when one's righteousness is totally worthless. The prostitutes and the drug users are in a better place than Stanton, because at least they acknowledge their sins and will listen. Stanton won't and won't.
MC. Wow, awesome, loving it. Yes GP does need to take responsibility for the failures within the cult. Well it’s a cult so there doomed to fail anyways. Love to be at the May meeting this year. BTW where’s it at? MC we should attend. Oh the fun it would be. Lol. Also does anyone know of any new congregations that have started since last May meeting?
One of the basic thinking flaws is to concentrate or highlight a problem rather than a solution. Every leader was adept at spotting behavioral problems but few had any solutions to the sins that plague man. Pemmisists focus on problems optimists focus on solutions.
Anon 6:41 great point. Here’s how it works. Your child miss behaves, spank them. Same would apply with members just a different form of punishment. Study it out would be another answer given when you had a problem. Funny preacher man would be trying to guide you through issues when he is not equipped to and he has more than enough issues of his own. Always could spot issues with others children but was blind in seeing issues with his own or at least don’t bring it to his attention. A teacher was soon sat down after identifying issues in this hypocrite’s preachers home. Great point though very, very few solutions.
One solution for me in restraining myself is to look at how Christ restrained himself. Proverbs 23 instructs that when thou sit with a ruler put a knife to the throat if thou be a man given to appetite and you see this with Christ and Satan in Luke 4 Satan being a ruler of the dark realm and Christ having fasted forty days would be a man given to appetite and Christ restrained his flesh not with a physical knife but a spiritual knife; actually a sword which was the words of God. If you have a large appetite like me a steak knife would not be big enough to restrain me a sword would be more appropriate. In acts 9:5 Christ told Paul that it was hard to kick against the pricks of his conscience. Not being raised religious like Paul I lacked the pricks and have to use the proverbs to install them in my conscience. Every time I read a condemning proverb I tell myself that will be me if I go astray from the strait and narrow. A whore is a deep ditch a strange woman a narrow pit and no person trapped down there can get out without help, I have to ask God for help out every time I give in to temptation. I tell myself that as there is three levels in heaven, the holy, the Holier, and the holiest, so to is there three levels in each virtue. The are the discreet, the discreeter, and the discreetest, the brave, the braver, the bravest, the wise, the wiser, the wisest. I want to reach the highest level in each virtue, Solomon was wise, Daniel was wiser, Christ was the wisest. It does not end well for those of us who give in to temptation, resist temptation and you will receive a treasure greater than the pleasures of the flesh, namely the salvation of your souls.
Uncleanness I define as sexual self stimulation as can take several forms such as rubbing, fondling, masturbation. What is your understanding of uncleaness anon 4/19 @12:/59?
Sad day at work today. In the parking lot was three sheriff cars around a new car that I had not seen before. The well dressed man, 28 years old was found dead with a heroin needle still in his arm. It is a grim reminder of what happens when a person lives in the unrestrained lifestyle. In the drug world the last drug a person will try is heroin, not only does it give the greatest high it produces a physical dependency as well which will kill the user if they ever stop without professional medical help. When you live in the land of excess nothing satisfies a person for very long and stronger stimulation is sought until it kills the user. Sex addiction has the very same path of destruction. Can sex really kill a person? Yes a jealous spouse has killed many a time in what is known as a love triangle. Can uncleaness kill? Yes in an act called auto erotica strangulation which killed actor David Carradine from the TV show king fu. Viewing adult materials is easily identified by behavior and what is the first behavior seen? A lack of carefullness. When a person starts being reckless in anyway it is an indicator that sin has moved in and taken up residence. Reckless behavior can include talking to much as in gossip, daredevil stunts, financial irresponsibility, despising those in authority. Paul the Apostle described one of the sincere behaviors of repentance as carefullness, as in what carefullness it wrought in you. The way of the wicked seduces them, that is it leads them away from their responsibility to keep their consciences clean, a lack of carefullness is a clear indicator of being deceived about the ever present dangers in this world. All the world is a reflection or as Christ put it out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speakers so when people post that someone found mandrel wiess stash of porn the are reflecting what happened to them in their home, when a person posts that members in Portland have a problem with porn they are saying they have a problem with porn. Be careful what you post as you are talking about yourself and your life of excess without realizing it. A life of excess ends prematurely as with the young man found dead today, sex addiction has the same effect. If you can not stop viewing adult materials on your own then ask for help, it may just save your life.
I don’t read very much about love and forgiveness in your church/cult. Think about how David was forgiven and that should encourage anyone who has sinned to repent so they can be forgiven and get their lives right with God. Psalm 32 is a good read for everyone.
AnonymousApril 23, 2018 at 7:37 PM
Sad about the drug use. It's an epidemic in America today. 70 million Americans are on psychotropic drugs, conservatively. And I never used them. Some learn from experience, the wise learn from other's experience. http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/70-million-americans-taking-mind-altering-drugs/
Never knew that about Carradine.
Porn and drugs are the two biggest threats to America, never mind what anyone says.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/internet-the-greatest-threat-to-christians-apologist-josh-mcdowell-says-52382/
And let's just be honest about it. Every man over twenty reading this has seen porn. That's how bad the problem is. The question is not who hasn't dealt with it, it's who is going to do something about it? It ought to be banned.
Running around saying you'll lose your mind and become a homosexual if you use porn and masturbation is ridiculous, as every man in the church has dealt with masturbation and porn and none of them are homosexuals or have lost their minds. Yet, they staunchly say others have.
There are two problems in society in the response to porn, IMHO.
A) Stanton's response, which demonizes those who use it, and mandates lifelong punishments. This ensures men stay down forever and never hope for a life after repenting. The Stanton doghouse is full of men who fell into sexual sin and now must stay quiet for the rest of their lives.
B) the American Christian church will help people overcome sex addiction, but only if you pay them. If you can't afford counseling for sex addiction, then you will have to go to hell for being poor. This is no different from the indulgences Catholics were charging people for to go to heaven, that prompted Martin Luther to nail his 95 Theses to the door at Wittenburg.
Often what leads many into temptation and sexual sin are hard thoughts of God. As the serpent represented God as a hard master, so Satan does this today. When one does not comprehend the goodness and glory of God, they are apt to become discontent and, like the complaining and murmuring Jews in Numbers 13, they doubt and lose faith, which inevitably leads to serious sin, often sexual sin. All sin starts from unbelief and a lack of faith. Which is why Christ was so insistent on having faith and believing. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing cometh from the Word of God. When one's study, and prayer are up, one has the armor of the Word, and the sword of it to defend them too.
Without studying scripture and arming oneself with it, one has no weapon, and one can't win a battle when one is weaponless.
"All this the world well knows, but none knows well,
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell"
Shakespeare's Sonnet 129 was pure genius.
SONNET 129
"The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action; and till action, lust
Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust,
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight,
Past reason hunted, and no sooner had
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait
On purpose laid to make the taker mad;
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme;
A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;
Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell,"
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2010/07/sexual_sabotage.html
The devil is in the details.
C.S. Lewis wrote about it in the Great Divorce.
https://notsoobviousaddict.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/excerpt-from-the-great-divorce-the-ghost-the-lizard-and-the-spirit/
The German Philosopher Goethe wrote about it too in his masterful "Faust". Only problem is there is no eternal feminine to save the libertine when he dies without repenting. The thinker probably did.
https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/German/Fausthome.php
Anon 7:37 typical Merie cult follower ding dong of a comment. Thinking you know something when you know nothing. Maybe you’re not a cult follower but sure was a stupid comment concerning my comments that Portland has had issues with pornography means I have a problem with pornography. Do you know me clown? You’re wrong and I’ll repeat PORTLAND HAS HAD ISSUES WITH PORNOGRAPHY. BTW I am being careful with my comments everything I comment on is truth and facts. Ask the hypocrite preacher in Portland MM. He is a known liar so not sure what answer you’d get. However, it was MM who told me of ALL the different ones in Portland who had that issue. As well the known preachers in other congregation who went down for the same sin. Names, initials or congregations? The reason I commented on that topic was to make a point. I’ve commented on the child abuse in Portland. Does that make me a child abuser. Come on idiot you sound as stupid as the evangelist/paid preacher who said breaking the unleavened bread more then once could bring in sodomy. Brilliant you’re not anon 7:37.
Craig don't get so upset. Anon 737 obviously has sex issues, much like many in the cult. Who knows things like "Can uncleaness kill? Yes in an act called auto erotica strangulation which killed actor David Carradine from the TV show king fu."??? Only someone looking into all that.
It would be nice if all of you got off the sex topics. It's starting to feel like a cult class around here.
Yes I agree. Too much sex! Let’s get back to questions and statements and solutions. Why not pick a scripture and have a discussion how it applies to one another and how we can help one another.
Good idea! I have a question. Why is it the members do not read anything except their Bibles? Why not some teaching Christian books or Bible Study workbooks or do they?
One topic that needs to be discussed is the relationship between love and sin. As sin increases love decreases proportionally and as sin is repented of love grows proportionally, sin and love have an inverse and proportional relationship. In paying attention to human bahavior one can determine the amount of sin by the lack of love shown to fellow Christians or the amount of righteousness by the amount of love shown, John 13:34-35 teaches that by the love you have one for another all men will know that you are my disciples. If a Christian has little love for others one has to assume sin has taken up residence and needs to be addressed.
Jo pretty much the only thing they study is the Bible and their notes from talks as well as old cassettes and mp3s from only preachers in Merie's church. They treat those as if they were as important as the dead sea scrolls.
Anon 7:08, good point.
I have a question for those of you who left: When you were in, or raised there, what things did you think were unique to Merie's church that you thought no other church did?
For example, I just saw a video where hospital workers helped to get a patient get baptized. I never realized others viewed baptism at that level of importance. Thought we were the only ones in Merie's church. Similar stories like these were practically legends in Merie's church and they added to "the one true church" basis.
What I saw was recruitment through criticism of other religious groups. I felt special because I believed in my own superiority and the superiority of the Merie group, but did not realize that I had little knowledge or faith in Jesus Christ. When I started looking at the abusive behaviors of the Merie group I realized they were not much different than the abusive Catholic church I came out of. When you start criticizing other you are exalting yourself and others will see you as a leader and follow you. I see leadership through criticism in other groups both religious and secular, the most recent is with the oneness Pentecostal group which my ex-wife attends and sometimes drags our adult children to. Subterfuge is defined as using deceit to achieve your goals, the leaders I was under in the Merie group pretended to be more holy and righteous than what they really were. Calling out others on their abusive and deceitful behaviors set me free from the spell of superiority I was under. Today I realize I am just a man subject to the same pride and lusts as all other men, I am equal to them and they are equal to me. The leaders in the Merie group are just people and not gods on earth as I once believed.
Not looking for lust that kills but drawing from personal experience. When I was in the military, 1985, we were all are at morning quarters looking at the sheriff's car outside and wondering why local law enforcement was on the military base and it was a death investigation of a young man who had accidently killed himself with auto erotica strangulation. It was explained to us what had happened and the lie he was told that led to his death. There are several jobs that seem great but in practice are horrible, like paramedic. I grew up watching a TV show called emergency about paramedics in LA county and wanted to be one until a real LA county paramedic explained his real life job was helping people who had hurt themselves in pursuit of their lusts. Other jobs also seem glamorous like police officer until you see what they really do having to deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis. If you want to increase your faith in God then get your EMT certification and volunteer with your local fire dept, then you will see true suffering and misery that unbelievers put themselves through. I have a different life experience that I draw upon but that does not make me wrong nor evil.
Hi M.Long, I have been to a very many Churches of Christ and found at least one element in each that I could tie to the Stanton churches. But I have not found to this day all of the elements in one church. the mainline churches of Christ are greatly lacking.
What are they for example?
Yes, Concerned, as Wilbur said to Orville, you are Wright!
Not only are mainline Churches of Christ lacking but all Christian churches are severely lacking in biblical literacy. Since they are nearly all practicing birth control, they are dying off. They aren't replacing themselves even, and aren't growing at all. China and Africa have more dynamic Christian churches.
The Bible is God's love letter to mankind, and our prayers are our love letters to him. It's impossible to love what we don't know. If there were a marriage where the spouses rarely talked, it would fall apart real quick. Yet, Christians in America are convinced studying and knowing the Bible isn't necessary at all, jis' b'lieve. It jus' be da grace. We cain't do nuffin', Jesus do it all.
Satan's doing it all right now, and the church is getting kicked all over the arena. Hapless and pathetic Christians are being dominated by moral midgets who believe more in their cause than Christians do theirs.
Anon- Yes, the churches of Christ are lacking! I thank God for this. They lack legalism that plagues Stanton. They lack mandatory attendance at all functions. They lack getting into things that are none of their business. I thank God for the church God lead me to as it has helped me heal from PSTD: Post Traumatic Stanton Disorder.
Anon yes when viewed from the cult's eyes they are lacking.
Donna, great points.
Concerned, yes I think we are in various stages of that.
I only know the experience from 2 COCs plus the cult, Merie's church. In my first COC, I DID like it but then the preacher retired and no one seemed to be preaching as well. Then my ex found SA members from Merie's church n he went back and I was eventually rebaptized there (which was a waste because I believed all the things I confessed to in my first baptism anyway).
When I started at the COC I go to now a year ago, there were maybe a couple of concerns. People independently supported the military by speaking of it in a positive way n sometimes a member will pray for them at class, such as asking that their causes would be just and noble. The other thing was holidays. Our congregation doesn't do anything in the building related to holidays much but many members do celebrate some of them with their families. That's their LIBERTY. I had to accept that people had liberties and the scriptures Merie's church and in her letters cited were not enough for ME to condemn those liberties.
Other than that, many things that are SCRIPTURAL are very much the same, which makes sense since Merie stole all her ideas from the COCs she grew up in and was withdrawn from. She just added her own stuff.
But that's right. All truly AUTONOMOUS COCs in the entire world must be wrong and Merie Weiss and her church is still "the one true church" despite it's own massive flaws.
I wonder if, for those who remain convinced that Merie's church is the ONE, whether it has occurred to you that you just got used to the things that are wrong there, and if it's your other attachments there that lead you back to that: family, close friends, etc.
Because we all have similar issues. It took me many years to stop completely believing in certain things like tithing etc due to the religion I was raised in and my entire extended family continues to be a part of. But I had to know for myself. It took a long time. It's taking me less this time to be unconvinced of Merie's teachings because I've done it before and because I'm older and don't want to be controlled by other people. I'm an adult. And I don't want to remain the baby Christian I was in Merie's church. It was time to grow and get out from those who like to have the members under their control.
If you want to be treated like a child who constantly needs to be chastised, then by all means, the Church of Weiss is for YOU!
IF you are ready to take control of your own spiritual life and understand that you answer to God and not man, and therefore you'll need to push yourself to follow God's law without someone making you, with good encouragement from your brethren, then you might wanna try another place.
Donna BennumApril 26, 2018 at 7:07 PM
I prefer legalism to lukewammness. The Pharisees were better off than the lukewarm churches, that God spits out. Our lives were supposed to revolve around the church, not God revolving around our lives.
Never mind Stanton, the churches were much more biblical in the days of the Puritans. The church is a wreck today, and we still have Christians who hate BIBLICAL discipline. Not talking about unbliblical discipline, which Stanton has.
PTSD is a myth. Psychiatry is totally bogus, but Americans love it because it gives them a crutch for their own bad choices.
Concerned OutsiderApril 26, 2018 at 11:07 PM
PTSD is nonsense, and you can butt out of something that is none of your business. The government and psychiatry are a million times worse than Stanton. They both can't even figure out we are the sex we were born yet, and you think they can help Stanton. How do you get so naïve and gullible?
For those who are shallow thinkers and want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, Stanton had quite a bit right.
You should learn from America's Founders, who studied Greece, the Bible, and Rome, and imitated the good and rejected the bad.
All of you criticizing Stanton have faults too. Let's hear about those.
M. Long, well said! That was one of the most difficult things for me when I left Merie's Group-realizing that we do indeed have God given liberties. Paul even talked about that in the book of Galatians! What Merie's group does is to take away the liberties that we have, including exercising our own consciences and learning from our mistakes.
They take away from Christians having their own relationship with God and Christ, and replace it with the leaders being the mediators.
I saw it with even the relationships that spouses had with each other, and the children with their parents. Ones were not only discouraged from communication with each other (mostly by fear of withdrawal for murmuring) but were taught to go to the teachers and tell on others. Communication between members was treated the same way.
And those of us who dared to talk with their spouses and children and members and forge good relationships were constantly in trouble for doing so.
My marriage was always a good one, and it's even better now. All of my teachers had bad marriages, and bad relationships with their children. Both of the female teachers that I had in Florida said and did things to try and make it seem as though my marriage was bad, as well as my relationship with my daughter.
To me, it reminded me of when I was bullied in school-even back then I realized I was being picked on because the bully was jealous. Her family was falling apart, and mine was not. I was related to half the town that we lived in.
I saw the same thing with my female teachers-they both had poor marriages, and poor relationships with their children. And I realized that the attacks on me were either because they were jealous, or they actually thought that the relationships I had were wrong. It seems that healthy and good relationships in the group are rare, and often discouraged-possibly looked at as too much of a good thing.
For example, I was rebuked for leaving a fellowship (that my hubby and I had been at for over 4 hours) BECAUSE I CHOSE TO GO HOME WITH MY HUBBY AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH HIM TOO. I was told that I should have stayed and continued to fellowship with the group, and gotten a ride home later. (It was midnight when my Hubby and I left).
Of course, I continued to leave fellowship and go home with my hubby. One time I stayed, and it just didn't feel right. After that, I just ignored the rebukes.
They couldn't give me a reason why it was ok for my Hubby to leave the fellowship, but not me. Not once was he rebuked for it, which puzzled him too.
Just some food for thought,
Craig's comments on 4/24 disturb me. How would he know Portland had problems with pornography unless he was talking about himself? Now he reveals that he was privy to confidential information which only one in leadership would have. Dies Craig maintain the required respect of others and handle information with discretion? Nope he uses information about others weakness to exalt himself as some kind of spiritual leader, he is puffed up with pride. If you see someone in the pit of addiction would not compassion tell you to stop and help that person out? Craig chooses to step on those in need to lift himself up, he us the kind of person to pick on weaker people, like women children and the handicap. Have yourself a good laugh at the expense of others, because where your going their is payback for your sins, not forgiveness. What a hypocrite!
Just for the record you don’t know what you are talking about anon 3:40.
Anon 3:40 you’re funny and have no clue what you’re talking about. Did you read the comment I was replying too? Ask MM or my wife if I had that problem. Only was brought up to make a point. Yes privy to information I should not of been, exactly this is a known fact MM tells others about confidential information that he shouldn’t. Not about exalting myself it’s about exposing Merie’s cult. I’m no spiritual leader nor do I want to be one. Puffed up with pride, sure at times just like you making this comment about me Anonymous. Step on those in need and pick on weaker people. Anyone that KNOWS me understands I’m for the underdog, for those who are bullied I stand up for. I do help those in need. Proclaiming I’m going to hell huh? Typical Merie cult follower comment. Hypocrite? Tell me how I’m a hypocrite. Question for you Anon 3:40 are you a member of Merie’s cult? If you were to die right now, would you go to heaven? Nice try on the personal attack. Your words mean nothing to me. Especially knowing they are not truth backed with no facts.
I wondered myself how long it would take for people to tell lies about you since you are so upfront using your name and email. Same with MLong. Someone will come after her too if not already. Nothing to be concerned about all nonsense.
Wow! This is an interesting thread.
Hello Ronita!
Good to see a familiar face. A friend from 16 years ago sends his best regards to your and your children.
How does your revealing of secrets further the cause of Christ, which is the salvation of men's souls? Let's think with equality and ask what is being said about the blog in the Merie group to its members. Would they be saying see Craig was a trusted confidant and he leaves the church and now is making the men's life unbearable revealing your secrets and now your wives and children are wondering if you have an addiction, don't leave us or you will become a talebearer like Craig. If you see a person with a problem why do you not offer to help them? Humans give themselves reasons before they do anything and often these little reasons are just "why not?" As in why not view inappropriate websites? I am here to give a thousand little reasons why not, as in it will enslave you, take everything you have including your life better to remain obedient to God's law and live than to give in just once. How does your name calling like "ha, ha idiots" clown or any other derogatory comment lead people to Christ and away from their sins? You are the equal to abusive leaders in Meries group in my book.
Anon 9:11 derogatory comments? Where? I have said no ones name. Points were simply being made. Do you understand what the cult leaders have done to this nonmember? They unscriptually withdrew from me. Which effects my family. Do you care for the well being of families anon 9:11? I thought idiots, stupid and clowns was being kind. Lies were being said about me in the comment I was commenting on. I have said no lies. Nothing but facts and truths. I’d love to see this cult in the court of law to clear my name of any affiliation with them. Lie detector tests me agaist Portlands preacher MM any day. Equal to the abusive leaders in Merie’s group in your book. Now that’s a very unkind thing to say. However, I do agree they are abusive leaders. Do you know me anon 9:11. I’m far from abusive. Ask those who KNOW me.
Anon 9:11 to add. I do agree about the name calling as being wrong. I have revealed nobody’s secrets. However, you want to hear secrets being revealed just listen to the talk after someone fall’s away. I know in Portland secrets would be revealed. Fact and truth.
Anon 9:11, I don't believe that Craig has said anyone's name except for the evangelist n local preacher's initials. Which are already on here anyway. He has a right and should say what he was privy to without names. It's good, for those who might run into this blog, for them to know that in most cases your secrets are not kept. They are told to spouses, other counsel, evangelists, and even kids read their parent's texts so nothing is sacred in your personal life. It's no secret that Merie set up her church so that none of its members would have private lives yet the general church's issues are not to be spoken of. That's why this blog is such a thorn on their side!
Craig has been on here for a while, even posting under his name and said here publicly that he was a nonmember BEFORE they withdrew from him anyway. He broke the one rule- don't talk about Merie's church! You can talk about others while you are in, under the guise of edification, but that doesn't apply to Merie's doctrines. Don't you dare go there!
I watched another documentary last night about a cult. So similar to this church/cult. Isolation even from family, no sports,college,social media while they also had leaders who could participate in all of the above and more. Such a shame how the children are exposed to this way of life. Yes I agree it is trauma and PTSD. Everyone is different and some will be more affected than others. Hopefully because of this experience they will not turn away from God.
I have studied many books and videos about different cults how they are formed, how they grow, how they collapse and I find one or two things in common with the SCOC and each cult but not much more. Each cult group has similar recruitment tactics such as love bombing, and similar enslavement tactics such as no friendships are allowed with outsiders or family members who are non members, and the dissolving of marriages at the leaders whim, and most collapse as when apostates band together to speak out about the abuses suffered under the cult group. After the collapse some former members go out and form their own cult groups with themselves as the enlightened leader. Other members go on and become anticult activists but most just swear off any religious association for the rest of their lives. It is a cycle that never ends and Christians must sharpen their swords through daily study and be prepared for the next person who says they are Jesus or his mouthpiece but in reality are just another personification of Satan.
Based on this site's definition of a cult, Jesus Christ was a cult. He told people to cut off relationships with non Christians, and even separated family members.
It would be wise to stop evaluating Stanton through nonsensical secular lenses, and start counteracting them via scripture.
The greatest threat to the church today isn't communists, atheists, Muslims, or homosexuals, it's Christians.
They are helping to slaughter the next generation, stupidly thinking that abortion and contraception, along with sex outside of marriage, including porn and masturbation, is the responsible thing to do. They've been brainwashed by dimwit academics to think humans are a global virus.
I wish we could invent a time machine, so we could put all the humans who are for abortion, and for contraception, right back in their fathers, and have them holler for an abortion when they are in their mother's womb, and for contraception when they are still in their father. That way, we could do to these wicked hypocrites what they want to do to others. Those who don't want others to live, shouldn't be given life themselves.
Humans who hate themselves, think kids are a burden, and try to have fun all their lives. Their lives are dull and meaningless, and they are soon forgotten when they die.
Necessity is the mother of invention, so the more humans there are, the more innovations we have. Norman Borlaug was a great man who showed us this.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203917304574411382676924044
Moral of the story, is men need to stand up and be men, and stop wasting their seed, and women need to go back home, where they were bombed out December 7th, 1941, and start having children again. We don't need women getting college degrees and getting jobs. We need them to do what God designed them to do, become mothers and loving wives.
There are going to be a lot of lonely women in a few years, when the batch of women who refused to have kids grow old and lonely in their big homes. They try to vacation, and have fun, but in reality they are miserable, as they should be. That's what they get for refusing to obey God and have children. And the men who urged them to do it ought to be ashamed of themselves too. These lechers and libertines are a travesty and are often the most foolish people on earth, as they still haven't learned wisdom after a lifetime of errors.
My goodness your way of thinking is so extreme. Are you married with children? It is scary to think about how this teaching is going on in this day and age. Keep the women dumbed down and barefoot and pregnant? And who supports all these children? The father who by the way is at church on Sunday,Tuesday and Thursdays and Personal Work on Mondays and Wednesday’s and Fellowships on Fridays so this way they have no time to be with anyone else outside of the church because on Saturdays helping other church members out. I agree there are a few good things they teach but so many odd ridiculous and ignorant rules and isolation it takes my breath away!
And I forgot to add even though you do not vote for anything they expect help from the government for food and medical care and assistance in some cases and any other free anything they can thing of….
Ryan is as usual all over the place sometimes praising the government sometimes cursing it. Ryan just loves attention and will say anything to get it and it does not matter if it makes sense or not, does not matter if he contradicts himself or agrees with himself, does not matter if he references what he is talking about or just offers insults as long as he gets the attention he craves, please ignore him.
Of course he's not married or has children! Can't you tell by his words? Lol
I don't know many Christians outside the sect who believe the list of sins Monte wrote is OK. Not sure what "Christians" he affiliates himself with but most that I know, whether they are COC or not, do not support anything on that list.
Maybe you can read lots of books, but most of us actually get to know others.
I consider the Hebrews whom Moses led out of Egypt how fast they turned to idolatry. Where did they see this before? The Egyptians were pagans worshipping many idols and oppressing the Hebrews into slavery, so why would a slave once free start following the examples of their oppressor? Why do Christians now free of the oppression of Merie group start following the examples set by their former oppressor resorting to name calling, insults and the like? Reject the idols of the oppressor and admonish others for going astray from the word of God and do not treat them as enemies, it might be that through your example of love and patience that you will set others free.
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 6:48 PM
The Gospel of 2,000 years ago turned the world upside down, why would you think it wouldn't have that same effect today?
What does me being married with children have to do with anything? Last I checked Jesus and Paul talked about marriage and children the most in the New Testament, and neither was married with children. Also, "A wise man learns from other's mistakes, a fool has to learn from his own". There is nothing any of us go through with children and marriage, that someone else from the past hasn't already gone through. I was in the Naval Nuclear Field, and the man who started it, a genius named Hyman G. Rickover, said something very profound that the wise will profit from, "You have to learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself.".
And why are you subscribing to the Communist, Marxist, secular leftist worldview that women being home with kids and loving a husband is a bad thing? If you knew pagan religions, like Baal, Ashtoreth, and Moloch, you'd know that they too thought women were objects and murdered their babies. These fertility cults are no different from your thinking where the woman is worshiped as a sort of earth goddess. It's pathetic you pretend to play Christian and spout off Marxist thinking because you are so badly indoctrinated and don't know it. I recommend you read the book, "Killer Angel" about that degenerate Jezebel Margaret Sanger. She thought just like you and 60 million babies have been murdered as a result in the last 45 years.
We had no problem supporting the little ones before birth control was legalized in 1965. China now is finding out that limiting your population is not such a hot thing, and we still have
Americans like you ignorantly chirping that it is a "responsible thing". Paul Ehrlich's "The Population Bomb" which predicted that humans were a disease and we faced vast calamities from having kids was a total and absurd farce. Please go read that and find out for yourself so you can overcome the many myths and fairytales you believe.
Rockefeller never worked on Sunday and taught Sunday school, never watched hellivision, never danced, never used drugs, drank alcohol, or used porn, and he was quite wealthy. If you look how each American uses their 168 hour week, you'll find the sloth and idleness that makes people poor. There are plenty of Christians that keep the schedule of Stanton and are lazy as sin still. And it starts with the leadership. GP and TC don't travel barely at all, and that's part of the reason why the church is stagnant. Both sound amazing, but in action both are quite impotent, and both have demonstrated extraordinarily bad judgement in matters of high importance at times. They do have very good judgement in other areas.
I'm glad we agree in a few areas, but ultimately, having kids is a privilege and a blessing and no sane Christian objects to a woman having as many as possible in marriage. LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY!! Only a selfish person would consider money before bringing life in the world. Many a man has increased his earning power by simply having a wife and children. His love for them motivated him to make more money. Nowhere in the Bible is a woman commanded to dictate how many kids she has. If you want a relationship and marriage with a godly man, then you need to have kids. If you don't like kids, then be quiet and stay a lonely spinster all your life.
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM
Completely agree. That they don't vote is a disgrace, and that they welcome welfare at the same time makes them worse than the pagans and heathens.
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM
How brave you are!! Totally anonymous and calling out others by name. Where did you learn such courage?
What I want to know is what five biographies of the Founders of America have you read? Let me answer for you. NONE!! So why is it that you are evaluating my critiques and praise for the government when you are completely clueless about the inception of the nation you live in? Riddle me that, Batman.
"A wise man has something to say, but a fool has to say something". You can learn a lot from that saying.
You can also learn from this one, "We have two ears and one mouth, so that we can listen twice as much as we talk".
Also, I appreciate you imitating Eliab. He made the same mistake you are making when David went to confront Goliath and got envious and jealous. You are evil surmising, but there are others on here who make the same mistake. Telling the truth is it's own reward. You should worry about what is right not who is right.
You haven't shown one contradiction in what I said and have no idea what our history or world history is, yet instead of remedying your confusion by reading, you come on and blame me for your incoherent thought. You see as you are. Stop projecting your cluelessness on me.
And if you want to call me by name, violating the code of this page, at least have the guts to identify who you are, you pusillanimous (go look that word up) and pathetic excuse for a man.
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 11:32 PM
Lots of logical fallacies in your words.
Where do you get the idea that one has to have kids and be married to know the truth about both? My Bible says that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, what does yours say? Mine also doesn't say that whether you are married or not, or whether you have kids or not determines your wisdom on both subjects. Elijah, Elisha, Paul, and Christ all did just fine without having kids and being married. Maybe read your Bible for a change.
Then you continue with the appeal to popular logical fallacy. Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't make it right.
Here's a good book for you, "The Dumbest Generation". That way you can learn that today's generation is the dumbest one in American history, but you think knowing these people is a wise move. Umm, no!!!!! Time tells all tales.
I agree no name calling please. When you want to do so breathe and count to 10 and remember we are here to learn (at least I am and what a sad shock I am discovering) and to help and support one another. I only wish PaPa were here so I could share what is happening so I share with God. A concerned mother,grandmother and great grandmother
Thank you Jo, you are right. Refraining from name calling is good. I generally do it, though I do take Solomon's advice to heart, "A rod for the back of a scorner". Disturbing the comfortable and comforting the disturbed is my function. God bless you for being a mother, grandmother, and great grandmother. The younger women desperately need older women to teach them their Godly roles. The younger men desperately need Godly men to teach them their roles.
This father has the right idea.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/02/georgia-candidate-kemp-triggers-uproar-over-shotgun-ad.html
When we adopt the abusive behaviors that we were abused with bow are we any better than the group we left? Second verse same as the first, it should get better but only gets worse to quote a song from the 60"s. Our standards for behavior should be the commandments of God such as when Paul wrote to Titus telling him to speak evil of no man. It is true that often times the abused grow to be abusers themselves but this cycle of abuse can be broken by following Christ's example and rejecting man and his abusive leadership.
Good point!
Am I the only one that cannot load more comments after April 28?
I don't know about a computer but I use my Android phone and at the very bottom it will say load more.. If that's what you're talking about. When the threads get so long sometimes I have to hit the load more button 4 different times
Ok. Patience! Very interesting blog.
RPG very much so. A big eye opener concerning the beginnings of the SCOC whom did not begin with Jesus Christ in Jerusalem rather Merie Weiss in Spring Valley, California. Reading this entire blog all the topics and comments brings up so many disturbing things that had transpired in the past and continues to take place wither the cult that it is troubling that anyone who reads this blog who is a member could continue with them with a good conscience.
"If you want a relationship and marriage with a godly man, then you need to have kids. If you don't like kids, then be quiet and stay a lonely spinster all your life."
And if Monte becomes your cult leader, those will be your own 2 options, ladies. Better make sure you're fertile or you might be withdrawn from his cult!
…..?.??? This makes no sense. Is it pick on Monte today?
Yes, stop picking on Monte. He's very important. Writing a book too. It's not The Count of Monte Cristo though, that's taken. It'll be called The Cult of Monte Cristo instead.
And at the end (spoiler warning), instead of finding out he's fathered One child, he'll have fathered thousands. Not technically, he'll just be stuck with all the kids that the dads left behind with the moms when they figured out they were being duped by Monte.
Kind of like the ones duped by Merie.
AnonymousMay 2, 2018 at 9:24 PM
Do you make a habit of deriding (look that word up) what you don't understand.
Women were having children with no birth control long before Merie and Stanton. Maybe read "Sexual Sabotage". By your uninformed verdict, everyone in America before 1948 was in a cult because birth control was illegal. You really shouldn't talk so much when you shout your ignorance so loudly.
Scorners and scoffers hate knowledge and wisdom, and exalt folly and ignorance. We have a lot on here, and we have a lot in America. It's funny, because those of you who don't know your Bibles or history on here constantly say "You're like Stanton and a cult" whenever you disagree with someone. Very sad and pretty crazy logic. If you knew history at all you'd understand there are true principles that were true long before Stanton. Also, most of you attacking are hurt people and you can't help but hurt others, as hurt people hurt people.
You can tell who is hurting because they don't care about facts and logic, they just attack those who they disagree with, facts and logic be damned.
Like most fearful people, they are cowards, and would never say publicly what they do on here. They are keyboard warriors, and they especially hate others because they are too craven to ever be brave publicly. Courage is the first virtue that makes all others possible.
Courage: having the attitude of facing and dealing with anything recognized to be dangerous, difficult or painful, instead of withdrawing from it.
Stanton has gotten away with so much for so long because so few were willing to sacrifice to confront it. Very few are willing to risk withdrawal and excommunication to call out Stanton publicly. We live in a spineless society. But these same people are keyboard warriors who delight in attacking others anonymously and with zero risk to themselves. There is absolutely nothing I say on here that I haven't said in a Stanton church publicly, and will continue saying. I've said this stuff in newspapers, at city councils, and school board meetings. It didn't matter if I was the only one who thought this way, and everyone else disagreed with me. Once you do that, my experience is it's tremendously liberating. That way you know you aren't a two faced fraud.
AnonMay 2, 2018 at 10:22 PM
Until you can intelligently discuss the history of birth control, why do you insist and persist in ridiculing what you know so little of? Honest question.
By your convoluted logic, everyone in America before 1965 was in a cult for making birth control illegal. You don't understand history very well, because we were economically and morally far advanced before we legalized birth control.
If you are a man and you favor birth control, there is a huge chance you are a libertine. Libertine's and lecher's (look those words up, Stanton doesn't use them) are commonly scoffers. Your language betrays you.
Monte, how about you stop responding to anyone who hasn't met your "must have read 5 books by the founding fathers" requirement?
That would save us all from your dissertations (look it up) and from having to keep pressing the "load more" button multiple times.
How about you stop excusing your intellectual sloth and stop badgering anyone who pricks that dormant conscience of yours?
That mouldy and ugly dwarf needs CPR.
Mark Twain wrote about that deformed conscience of yours long ago.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1876/06/the-facts-concerning-the-recent-carnival-of-crime-in-connecticut/306240/
It takes a lot of audacity to admit you are ignorant and then to condemn those who have bothered to learn. But, the foolish are always with us.
Their censure means little.
Besides sniping from anonymity, do you have anything better to do? How about you take your happy self to the library for the first time in your life, and sitting your rear end down and doing some serious reading? How about that?
Lazy intellects like you need many dissertations, and you need chastisement too (look that up).
Solomon recommended a rod for your back. It's not hard to see why. You know little and hate those who have taken the pains to learn. Instead of learning yourself, you attack what you don't understand.
It's very sad you don't exert the same energy you exert to browbeat wisdom into actually acquiring wisdom for yourself.
But to the foolish, wisdom appears foolish.
Everyone on here who is wise and virtuous can tell you are an intellectual dilettante (go look that up) and yet have the effrontery (go look that up) to challenge historical knowledge. There is nothing I'm saying that your local library doesn't offer for free.
"Very few are willing to risk withdrawal and excommunication"
This can't be more true. I'm sure that everybody has more to say than they are as to what really happened in the church. I know that I have enough to fill a book.
Yes, I believe that they shower you with love, but it is a false love. Their love is as shallow as when they smile and say hello, but when it comes to actually showing it to you by deed, they fail.
"let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth"
How can anybody claim love when their lives are unnecessarily torn apart by church judgement, when people walk in fear of being withdrawn from for questioning things they see are wrong, are told to break the bonds with family/friends. Of course we are told not to put them first or be unequally yoked, but burning bridges was never scripturally taught in the scriptures, but was taught to keep those bridges – Luke 16:8,9.
I, for one, along with the rest of you, saw this and it is interesting how we are taught that the truth will set us free and it has. It actually exposed their lies and lack of love.
There was very little growth that they could offer me. I gained most of it through prayer and a lot of study. The preacher from the south stated from the pulpit that he knew there were people who were not studying, yet they become our judges.
If I hear it right, the preacher from the south's wife wasn't a teacher before they came up here, yet she was made one here. For a lack of better words, she was vicious and you could tell there was a great lack of love in her. Even her own husband would question her motives on why taught/judged the way she did.
I saw all of the joy leaving me to being there among them. I love God, the law, and the bible, but I got to where I despised being with a lot of them and making it to classes. This was just wrong.
Lynn MM she was withdrawn from the past few months. Karma Lol
for what?
What are person does not say speaks just as loudly as what they do say. The use of examples which portray white males in a positive light, such as John d Rockefeller, Admiral rick hymover tells you the poster is likely a white male himself and views himself in the same positive light. The use of examples which portray women in a negative light, such as Margret Sanger tells us the poster disdains women. I have meet many a woman who was better than me, smarter, better with money, better with children, and many other areas of life and am not ashamed to admit it. The military is a kingdom of pride, where only the strongest rule. Christianity is a kingdom of equality where everyone us of equal value and worthy of equal respect. Worldly wisdom is a false path as Jesus Christ was the wisest man who ever lived. Long life and riches are second place in this world as heaven is first place, rich men do not go to heaven. Our enemy, Satan, is subtle therefore we must be wise to his insidious methods and call them out when we see them. Reject worldly wisdom and embrace Godly wisdom you will be better off on the day of judgement for doing so.
Oh, my, a Marxist race baiter. No wonder why you constantly irrationally attack me. I've never attacked you, and your historical grasp is very tenuous at best, yet you constantly attack.
Please go look up Larry Elder, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson, Star Parker, Jason Riley, and Mychal Massie. They are conservative blacks who spit on the liberal blacks that you worship. You have the same ideas as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
You went to college and definitely did not read history much before you joined Stanton. So it's good you were exposed to the Bible, but unfortunately you were exposed to wrong ideas which is sad. Then you went to college and learned some psychology . Freud was a fraud, and psychiatry is bogus.
I learn from men of all races. I have Russian authors, black authors, Chinese authors, English authors, Italian authors, French authors, and Latino authors in my library. I don't care what race anyone is, I can learn from them. You evidently have a problem learning from white men. I just quoted Martin Luther King Jr. at last nights school board meeting, along with Walter Williams. So why is it I learn from men of all races and you have a problem learning about men not your race? Sounds like you might be racist.
My friend, Jesse Lee, wrote this book, and I recommend you read it.
https://www.amazon.com/Antidote-Healing-America-Poison-Victimhood/dp/1942475004
It's amazing how you criticize my criticism of Margaret Sanger, yet know nothing about her. Maybe read one book about her first. 60 million babies have been murdered by abortion and you think it's wrong to condemn one of the advocates of abortion. Please!!!!
And it's especially bad in the black race. 16 million babies have been murdered by abortion in the black community since 1973. 45 years!! Only 4 million have been killed in the 400 years of the translantic slave trade. Blacks make up 12% of America and have 36% of all abortions. Yet, the Democrats get 90% of the black vote, and they are committing genocide on their race. So maybe you need to wake up and learn history. Because you are being suckered. If you think Stanton is bad, the Democrats are utterly evil and communist. Communism must murdered 100 million in the last 100 years, and you are repeating it's divisive identity politics, while pretending to be a Christian. Rockefeller was a devout Christian, far better than 95% of Christians today. You have been taught to hate the nation you are in, in which blacks are the wealthiest and most powerful group of blacks in the world. We got rid of slavery the fastest of all nations practically, and we are the only nation in world history to get rid of slavery where 600,000 Americans died. Can you even name ten generals from the Civil War? I doubt it.
How any of us view ourselves should have nothing to do with our race. You are the first person to bring up race on this entire site.
And you aren't a real man, because a real man realizes that God's design was: God, Jesus, the man, and the woman. That was from creation. If you don't recognize that order, you'll never find order in your life. Yes, liberals have destroyed that order and that's why our nation and churches are a huge mess. Women were the last of all creation and the most perfect, but they were easy to deceive. They still are. Men with power and money routinely manipulate women in our nation. The male and female brain are not alike, so we are each superior in our own ways. Women are far superior at having children, taking care of them, loving a husband, and multi tasking with exceptions. https://www.netnanny.com/learn-center/article/165/
The Military has it's virtues. Lately, since Vietnam it hasn't been as great in America as it once was. Maybe learn military history. Victor Davis Hanson is one of the two greatest historians in America today, David Barton is the other at Wallbuilders. Hanson writes a column in National Review every Tuesday and Thursday and I highly recommend everyone read it. He is extremely wise. He wrote a book called "The Soul of Battle" about three of histories greatest generals, Epaminondas, Sherman, and Patton, and it was ENTRANCING! He has many other books as well. If we didn't have a military, we wouldn't have an America. The Revolutionary War wasn't fought with B B guns.
Christianity and America is about equal opportunity, but not equal results. God is not mocked, we reap what we sow.
The Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. You have a bad habit of ridiculing what you don't understand. No one disputed Christ was the wisest man in history, but unlike you, Christ wasn't talking about race. Abraham, Job, and King David didn't qualify for Section 8 and SNAP. But being content in poverty is wise too.
I know I wouldn't want to have a Dad that is a member of Stanton as they can never really be a parent while having so much to do with working and all their man made mandatory classes piled on top of work. Why can't the church just leave families alone and let them be families at times. The control over families is sickening. They need to back off. You can't tell me one person in the church is happy with all the to do's that the church demands.
I'm curious on birth control being illegal until the year mentioned by MC when the condom was made and legally sold way before this?
https://www.yourtango.com/2013189729/condom-timeline-detailed-history-wrapping-it
Actually, if a man doesn't know the Bible and love God, he isn't fit to be a father or a husband.
Stanton did a great job overall, there were a few bad apples.
To think the fathers in Stanton are bad for inculcating their kids in the Bible, and keeping them around other righteous people, while spreading the Gospel is a cruel slander.
The fact that you had men who were faithful to their wives, never used drugs or alcohol, never gambled, and had as many children as they could while providing for them the best they could, makes Stanton men better than 90% of the men in America. Stop making excuses for degenerate libertine American men who sit there and have as much sex as they can with all kinds of women and excuse it by saying they didn't have kids. Pathetic!!!
It's appalling to look at all the old people, who are disgraceful JOKES!! They had no kids and are now in their older years, whining about how high their health insurance is and how the younger generation has no time for them. Ummm, you didn't have kids and when you did, you viewed them as a burden, so now they view you as a burden.
They should have learned from this story, A frail old man went to live with his son, daughter-in- law, and four-year old grandson. The old man’s hands trembled, his eyesight was blurred, and his step faltered. The family ate together at the table, but the elderly grandfather’ s shaky hands and failing sight made eating difficult. Peas rolled off his spoon onto the floor. When he grasped the glass, milk spilled on the tablecloth.
The son and daughter-in- law became irritated with the mess. “We must do something about Grandfather, ” said the son. “I’ve had enough of his spilled milk, noisy eating, and food on the floor.” Therefore, the husband and wife set a small table in the corner.
There, Grandfather ate alone while the rest of the family enjoyed dinner. Since grandfather had broken a dish or two, his food was served in a wooden bowl. When the family glanced in Grandfather’ s direction, sometimes he had a tear in his eye as he sat alone. Still, the only words the couple had for him were sharp admonitions when he dropped a fork or spilled food.
The four-year-old watched it all in silence. One evening before supper, the father noticed his son playing with wood scraps on the floor. He asked the child sweetly, “What are you making?”
Just as sweetly, the boy responded, “Oh, I am making a little bowl for you and Mama to eat your food in when I grow up.” The four-year-old smiled and went back to work.
The words so struck the parents that they were speechless. Then tears started to stream down their cheeks. Though no word was spoken, both knew what must be done.
That evening the husband took Grandfather’ s hand and gently led him back to the family table. For the remainder of his days, he ate every meal with the family. And for some reason, neither husband nor wife seemed to care any longer when a fork was dropped, milk spilled, or the tablecloth soiled.
Kids are very resilient. Lincoln and Churchill both were neglected by their fathers and turned out very well. Ben Carson had no father, and Booker T. Washington was a slave until 9, yet both did very well. Why? Because they read and learned the Bible.
It's better than the apathetic church where people play and work on Sunday, have no family time, and are constantly after money and pleasure. Selfish and empty. Yet you think that's a good thing?
It's nice that parents have time for their kids, but Stanton gave kids time with parents and kids were raised around other godly kids. Where else can you find that?
I can't find a church within 100 miles of me that knows their Bible more than the television, isn't dying off because they practice birth control, they don't use alcohol, meets all day Sunday, and the members actually know each other.
The solution to the problems in America is the Gospel. Kids do just fine when they are given godly principles, and are around other godly kids. My time with my parents was limited one on one, but I went to books and picked up what I needed. I had 18 siblings. Some of them say what you say, but in reality, if my father had been like what you describe, at least half of my siblings never would have been born. So you are just conforming to the world that says money and pleasure are more valuable than life. You are carnal and not spiritual.
Attitudes like yours are going to lead to old people going to the death chambers here in a few years. After all, if they bring no pleasure to anyone and they aren't making money, and are just a drain on society, why let them live, Right? That's your twisted ideology.
That's interesting.
AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM
Pagan cultures used contraception and murdered their babies too. Why you think that's worth imitating I have no idea.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/big_families.htm
It was never legal and it still isn't. It's a crime against nature, and as Augustine said, "An unjust law is no law at all".
Here are the fertility cults that you wish to imitate.
The Jews wiped them out easily.
https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/fertility-cults-of-canaan
The church needs a massive restoration.
Stanton has gone far afield of Campbell's restoration movement.
Due to the pernicious influence of the media and hellivion, most don't have an idea of what the church is supposed to be.
Bless Stanton, but having children, while wonderful, left little time for learning our history. It's a dry and thankless task.
The early thinkers of America had the keys and wisdom that we of the last fifty or sixty years lack.
It's very sad when I go to the library nearly half the books are of Americans who have lived in the last fifty years and whose lives aren't really worth learning about because they were historically clueless.
History has a nasty habit of deleting those who don't learn her lessons and letting future fools imitate them.
http://www.icotb.org/resources/Campbell,Alexander-TheChristianSystem.pdf
Good and honest intellectual thought Monte C. You have truly shown you are a swashbuckler extraordinaire. Keep it up and use the sword of the spirit to pierce the heart and soul asunder and the writer of Hebrews said. Tally ho and g'day mate.
May 3 2:54. and what about the children of the family who are required to attend all these classes,worship and fellowships even on school nights. As if getting a good education so they can support themselves is not a high priority. Oh that is right, they can raise them to get everything free from the government but yet don’t vote and not even educated about current affairs. They are clueless! And is it true the church must ok your vacation times and destinations? Think about this?
Thank you, AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 7:06 PM. Likewise!!
As Andre Maurois put it: "everything that is in agreement with our personal desires seems true. Everything that is not puts us into a rage." While M C recommends going to the library he then states most histories are not worth reading, he critizes both those who do not go to the library, and then the books in the library itself. Does M C ever admit when he is wrong? Narcissism is a delusion that few recover from and true to Greek mythology most narcissist end their own lives. He criticizes those who choose not to marry and have children for being lonely old people but he is not married nor has children. Is he therefore not criticizing himself without realizing It? Verbose to say the least. Conservative republicans are no better than liberal democrats as Sergant Shriver said in '68 their ain't a dimes bit of difference between the two. There are different groups on this blog, some are pro Merie group, some are anti Merie group, some like me are anti abuse no matter which group it is in and pro Christ. I love those who can reason out of the scriptures but inane rants are a waste of time.
Agree Anon 6:25
He's definitely off on crazy rants, and most definitely a narcissist.
The Sophists of Athens hated absolute truth, and put Socrates to death for speaking it.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/sci-techs/3035sophism.html
You haven't learned from them, AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 6:25 PM.
What's so hard to understand that books written in the last fifty years about entertainers and public figures are often inferior to those written prior to fifty years ago?
Do you ever admit when you are wrong? You seem to be the same man from Arizona who is full of criticism and narcissism, but constantly alleges others have it.
Narcissism is a love of self. I love objective truth. There is nothing I say that isn't beneficial for society long term. Just because you haven't taken the time to learn the lessons of history does not a narcissist of me make.
You have a very bad habit of making straw men arguments. Typical sophist. Your Maurois quote applies completely to you showing you have little self introspection and that "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
I criticized selfish libertines and lechers. I did not criticize the virtuous and abstinent. Please learn the difference and stop attacking what you little comprehend.
Your elevator doesn't reach the top floor if you think conservative Republicans are no better than liberal Democrats. Republicans oppose abortion, porn, and Islam. Liberal Democrats are for all of them. Democrats have infected the Republican party though, that's true. If America banned porn, and psychotropic drugs, and started learning history and got rid of their hellivisions, we WOULDN'T HAVE ONE DEMOCRAT OR RINO POLITICIAN IN OFFICE, AND TRUMP NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD A PRAYER OF BEING ELECTED, though he is a million times better than any Democrat or RINO (Republican in Name Only).
Here's a great intro into history from the Daily Wire. The Battle of Midway, one of the greatest and most thrilling battles in American history.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/30235/schaeffer-battle-midway-introduction-brad-schaeffer
I'm for the truth, wherever it lands. Stanton knows Christ and the Bible too, but it does them the same good it does you, none.
Both of you scorn wisdom you don't understand.
You have the same comprehension of history of a bilberry and yet call my posts inane. That's a hoot.
What wise person on earth do you expect to take you seriously?
Wise people demand evidence to base their conclusions on. You offer none. Only the foolish like AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 9:14 PM take you seriously.
If you examine the attacks on me, they follow a common thread. I'm attacked first, by people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Not one credible fact to refute any facts I have offered has been put forward, yet my posts are subject to censure and condemnation.
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
Nothing new. Plato wrote about it when describing Socrates.
"I am the gadfly of the Athenian people, given to them by God, and they will never have another, if they kill me. And now, Athenians, I am not going to argue for my own sake, as you may think, but for yours, that you may not sin against the God by condemning me, who am his gift to you. For if you kill me you will not easily find a successor to me, who, if I may use such a ludicrous figure of speech, am a sort of gadfly, given to the state by God; and the state is a great and noble steed who is tardy in his motions owing to his very size, and requires to be stirred into life. I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long 1and in all places am always fastening upon you, arousing and persuading and reproaching you. You will not easily find another like me, and therefore I would advise you to spare me."
I'm going to get off this blog. It's no longer Kevin's. It clearly has been taken over by an idiot who calls himself Monte Cristo.
I have been wondering what happened to Kevin and agree we need him to get the blog back on track or start a new one.
What??? You all anonymous guys and gals don't have the chutzpah (nerve, boldness, temerity) to sustain your own spiritual gabfest. This may be one of those….when the mob boss goes, so does the mob.
Don't run away just yet! Let me explain the importance of M C and his rants. Light and salt are metaphors for two different kinds of people. Light refers to higher understandings and is found in leaders, the leader points the way for the group to go, the leader gives direction. Salt refers to deeper understandings, that is how things are to be done. Both are of equal importance to any group, in the military the officers are the light providing direction and the soldiers are salt knowing the deeper technical details of how the equipment works. Christ said the light of the body is the eye, the leader is the eye, looking out for the both the direction to go and hazards to avoid for the group which is the body. If the eye be single the whole body is full of light, that is a single minded leader leads the group in one direction, like a general fighting on to victory. If they eye be evil they whole body is in darkness, that is when the leader is doubleminded the group is both ignorant and confused about which way to go and just what they are to be doing. Ryan offers no clear direction he only criticizes all others as stupid compared to himself. To follow Ryan is to be confused and conflited, a faithful Christian will see the need to reject such a conflicted and double purposed person as the leader. Christ was single minded he sought only to please God he was an eye that filled the body of followers with the light, one direction in life, that is follow God.
@AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 9:52 PM & AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 11:30 PM.
Mode of attack. Attack, when repulsed, cry, whine, and instigate. Threaten to take your toys and go home. Triggered snowflake response.
Amen AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 8:20 AM!!
They are whiny cowards.
AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 9:43 AM
You are a college educated deviant masquerading as a Christian. You are a clear racist, and have been infected with psychobabble
You've been on here repeating psychiatric nonsense for the longest, not realizing the truths that are a lot older than psychiatry.
I offered biblical and historical principles which you are free to reject or follow, the former to your own peril, the latter to your own peace. Yet, that doesn't satisfy you. You have to attack what you don't understand.
Once again, you've offered not one fact to uphold your nonsensical attacks, but constantly utter your emotional opinions as if they are gospel. Well, they aren't.
Kindly continue lecturing on the "tow truck preacher" whoever that is, and leave us in peace. If I was in Stanton and I dealt with your irrational attacks, you would have been withdrawn from for walking disorderly in less than a year. Rebellious son of Belial is what you are. I admire the patience of whoever put up with you.
When you see facts and scoff at them, that makes you a very foolish person. You don't even try to hide it, you advertise it.
You don't know the Bible or history. You've been on here bearing false witness, sowing discord, lying, and slandering people for quite some time, while representing yourself as an angel of light.
Repent.
And if you want to use my name, go ahead and let us know who you are. Only a coward fights in the darkness. Be a man and quit throwing pebbles from the shadows.
Boundaries are very important in life because they give you control over your environment. A fence around your property keeps unwanted visitors out, visitors who only want to free load off of your labors such wild animals who feed on farmers crops, and waste the labor the farmer has invested. Limiting your spiritual guidance to one source, such as the Bible, will prevent you from being led astray both by false teachers, and your own hearts lusts. When you start studying other books for your spiritual guidance you will become confused trying to go in different direction at the same time, you waste you life going in circles. Take control of your spiritual life by setting a boundary I will follow the word of God only and reject all other sources of spiritual guidance, you will have spiritual clarity and not spiritual confusion.
AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM
Brilliant. Yet you are a hypocrite as you quote your nonsense psychology courses which are unadulterated rubbish.
No one on here is disputing the Bible is the Supreme Book of wisdom and knowledge. But we are disputing your interpretation of it, which is radically opposed to Alexander Campbell and nearly 2,000 years of Christianity's profound thinkers.
Stanton says the same thing. Only study the Bible, never learn history or any other book. Where has that got Stanton? I think studying the Bible 2 hours a day is a great idea, but it doesn't mean I reject history and the Christians who came after the Bible.
Who told you to follow anything other than the Bible?
Most of the people I quote are heavily influenced by the Bible too.
For someone who says they follow the Bible you sure have a funny way of going about it.
You have told at least two lies, you evil surmise, you look at race, you ridicule what you don't understand, which is pride, you have very little patience, and you constantly stir up strife with your animosity towards ideas you don't like or understand.
So how about you live up to the Bible first, before lecturing the rest of us that that is all that you pay attention to?
Do not be offended by M C rants for they are child's play compared with some Jehovah Witnesses I have had to contend with. JW's are not only well versed in their bibles but present themselves in a professional manor both in dress and in their conduct, they are tough to beat. M C is only practice for me, a sharpening of my sword. I had expected M C with his self proclaimed superior intellect to challenge me on my interpretation of the metaphors of salt and light, but no challenge came. In Mark 4 Christ taught a the parable of the seed and the sower and described three kinds of soil, which are the three kinds of hearts found in man. The stony heart is the prideful, superiority complex where nothing penetrates (why? Because they know better than everyone else) the soil by the wayside is the lustful heart who do whatever feels good and Christianity feels good at first but when adversity comes it no longer feels good and they quit (or competition of other feel good activities for one's limited time) the third soil or heart in man is the good soil described as honest and sincere. When meeting and dealing with people I ask myself which kind of soil or heart they have and change my methods and tactics accordingly. The greatest weakness of the arrogant is flattery, sincere or not. In all future dealings with M C let us flatter him, and see what happens. I love you Ryan! Ryan you are the best! I wish I could be as smart as you Ryan! XOXOXO
Your impudence and impertinence are astounding. Please look those words up for the first time in your life. Thank you!!
I'm nothing close to the JW's.
The whole site sees you as a charlatan and you've been caught in race baiting, lying, and evil surmising. You need to ask forgiveness for all of that, and you haven't. Yet, you are still on here preaching. How about you follow 1 John 1:9?
I didn't challenge your metaphors, because you blatantly violate scripture so often there are no wise people who take your understanding of scripture seriously.
Yes, let's talk about the proud heart. That's the one that thinks they know, but clearly don't. Self deceit is the worst. Virtue is it's own reward. No one needs to apologize for learning history and the Bible. And only a shallow person attacks what they don't understand.
Maybe you can start addressing your own blatant wrongdoings which come from a stony heart before addressing any you perceive in me. Thank you. I didn't lie on here, you did it twice already. I also didn't race bait. You've done it. I never evil surmised. You habitually do it. So please take the four by four out of your own eye before you take the mote out of mine.
Learning knowledge is not pride. You didn't learn from Stanton. Pride is trying to dismiss others opinions without a shred of truth or evidence to refute them. Stanton and you have that in common.
I think you have potential as a man, but not until you develop the mind of a child. Children don't put on airs and haughtily challenge ideas they haven't taken the time to learn first.
Those know most that know they know least.
Your problem is you've gone through life thinking you know all you need to know and haven't bothered pursuing other knowledge. Those of us who know we don't know much, keep seeking and we always find knowledge and truth. "Seek and ye shall find". I recommend you adopt Paul's attitude, who thought himself the least, but that made him work harder than everyone else. Paul sure didn't dismiss ideas he didn't understand. He even learned other men's ideas, like the Greeks and used it to teach them with.
That you can continuously boast of using only the Bible, while habitually violating it, doesn't bode well for others taking you seriously.
Only those who can admit their errors ever grow. You never will until you admit your own falsehoods.
While I disagreed with some of your posts, I agreed with most of them. I simply didn't respond to them. But, you had no problem charging on and attacking mine, without a shred of evidence to refute anything I said. You claimed to be speaking for God, while blatantly violating the very book you claimed to use.
I have no hatred for anyone, but I do object to poseurs, blowhards, and braggarts.
Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Your rebuke consists of correcting true statements by others, deriding any knowledge you haven't personally looked into, pretending to follow the Bible that you obviously violate with no compunction, and evil surmising about the motives of others.
Persuading, convincing, and reasoning with others means you present your ideas and facts, not you hoist up the very Bible you violate routinely to dismiss what you little comprehend.
You also were told by numerous people not to use names, and you still do it, while not having the courage to reveal your own. Pretty sad.
I'd have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror if I privately attacked another man and called out his name, but refused to identify myself. This evidently doesn't bother you at all. That conscience of yours sure does pick it's moments.
Pretty sure MC has multiple personality disorder. If you read his stuff, one personality is taking to another one of his personalities.
One personality (see Monte's words above) surely said this to his other one, possibly the one named Ryan? "If I was in Stanton and I dealt with your irrational attacks, you would have been withdrawn from for walking disorderly in less than a year. Rebellious son of Belial is what you are. I admire the patience of whoever put up with you."
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I love you Ryan!
More psychobabble. Very sad. King David and Jesus would have been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. Depending on modern psychiatry for a world outlook is extremely foolish, but that doesn't appear to bother you. You appear to know a lot about mental illness. I've never used drugs or been diagnosed with anything, what about you? Can you detail your drug use for us? Thank you!
Yes, you are disorderly and I doubt there is any rational person on earth that can ever tell you what to do. You are irrational and illogical.
I'm not against anyone posting on this blog.. But I think MC should start his own topic link on this blog because it's so all over the place and so hard to keep up with and posts get lost in the shuffle. One certain subject turns into many different novels going in every different direction..
Guess what, my right to speak isn't from you, and it appears you don't think nearly as much as you should. Think about learning history and the Bible so you make sense. That would be nice.
It's hard to keep up with because you are lazy and uninformed. Go fix yourself before you critique me.
"Rivers and men both run crooked when they follow the path of least resistance"
Thoreau
So if you think you're the only ones who get insulted by MC and told that you're not smart enough because you haven't read enough books by the Founding fathers, then don't worry, he does that even to the Mayor of Vallejo! Here's an article that shows he is an equal opportunity offender!
And it's interesting he's been on this blog so much lately; I guess the locals have had enough of him.
MC, you're the kind of person who gives the rest of us who left the cult a bad name. You're the type of person they go and talk about to show that you'll just go crazy when you leave the cult. Just stop already. I hope there is still a way for you to get your sanity back.
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/government-and-politics/20180411/vallejo-man-removed-from-meeting-after-homophobic-remarks
So I Googled Monte Cristo and here's what I found…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Cristo_sandwich
A Monte Cristo is a fried ham and cheese sandwich, a variation of the French croque-monsieur. In the 1930s–1960s, American cookbooks had recipes for this sandwich under such names as "French Sandwich", "Toasted Ham Sandwich", and "French Toasted Cheese Sandwich". Swiss cheese is typically used.
So Yes "Mr Ham & Cheese" Give it a rest. You are preaching just like preachers of the Cult. Imposing ridicule and fear out of baseless ideas. Just because you read some books doesn't qualify you to shout at others. Take your preaching somewhere else and see if you gain any following. You are a grand nuisance on this blog. Perhaps you are buried in your books and avoiding real life. Do not spread your dire predictions about those you disagree with. You Ain't That Smart Fella.
When you find so many people that disagree with you. You are the one who is wrong. Do your self a favor and fix yourself before fixing others. People are not listening to your non-sense. It doesn't make you right just to shout when noone is listening. Try writing a book Just not all over the blog Mc Cheese
Wow… Just wow! Maybe MC should start up his own church.. I'll never understand how so many people are so concerned about others.. I believe in God but I certainly don't have the fear that so many have. I live my life being a good decent person and I don't try to shove my beliefs off on everybody else and rattle on about them. I'm quite happy in life going about my own business being a kind decent person, but I would strongly advise that Monte Cristo maybe start his own church in order to help himself. His posts make my head swim and I don't care to know all the info he has gone on and on about. The fear is not in me. Thank goodness.
A terrible idea to have him start his own church. So much false teaching and more dysfunction. That is the problem people starting their own church for their own ego and suck in more suckers. I am tired of having to load for so long to get to comments. My time is more valuable ….
I was joking about him starting his own church. I meant it in a way so he could be his one and only member. Because this babbling is totally out of control.. And then after seeing that article that was pasted above.. Wow.. Just wow
Ham and cheese? You make my frying pan sizzle! I am a vegan who eats fish a FEGAN! You eat donuts and vegetables a Dogan! 90 percent of all Americans over eat! When you go to the library next time stay out of the cookbook section. Cornnel Sanders was a communist plant with his eleven herbs and spices he is killing Americans with cholesterol in 70 to 80 years of eating his poison it will kill you! I spoke at the national association of donut devourers anonymous (NADDA) last night and quoted Ronald McDonald! You always criticize what you have not eaten! KF being a fellow Navy man like me you will understand me when I say: YOU MAKE MY PROPELLER SPIN! Captain crunch is not a real person!
Anon 11:38 I may be mistaken and MC can correct me but MC never fell away from the cult. And if they hadn’t unrighteously did him wrong he would still be attending.
You seem to be implying that if one is victimized then it is okay to victimize others? A victim/bully is no better than the bully himself. We have standards for our behaviors as Christians, that is the commandments of our God and have no right to slander, insult, belittle, false accuse other as was done to us. We are called to a higher standard especially when we have been abused.
AnonymousMay 5, 2018 at 11:38 PM
"if you don't know history, you don't know anything. You are like a leaf that doesn't know it's part of a tree"
Michael Crichton.
"My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge"
Hosea 4:6
The Mayor of Vallejo is interesting, but refuses to learn and is an authoritarian tyrant with no concept of virtue and history. Oh, but I repeat myself because that describes you and many others on the site. So you commiserate with him.
First off, your ignorance and lack of virtue give you a bad name. Go fix yourself. You are a disgrace to the Founders of America, your nation, the church, and everyone who loves liberty and virtue. Ignorance is bliss though, so since you don't know them, you are pretty apathetic. Go look that word up.
Homosexuality was criminalized in everyone of the original 13 colonies, and had the death penalty. Go read "Sexual Sabotage" and go learn about how it was shoved down our throat with "After the Ball". When you are done with your research, then you can talk. Until then, kindly shut your big mouth. Free speech was for informed opinions, not chattering parrots like you to impudently strut your ignorance.
KFMay 6, 2018 at 6:13 AM
How about you move to the world's biggest atheist nation, China? There you will be taught to appreciate America's Christian heritage.
Why are you in America and why do you vote and complain when you are historically clueless? How about you realize your problems are your own fault. You sound like a lecher and a libertine. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want to be around a God hating man like you either. Watching how you have no morals on here means you have even less in private. God knows what you do in your home.
Once again, go learn the "appeal to popularity" logical fallacy. Go study the history of ostracism in Greece while you are at it. You deride what you are too lazy to learn. A very bad habit.
If you wont' listen and learn, you will be used to teach those who will.
AnonymousMay 6, 2018 at 6:42 AM
You are a lukewarm Christian. Your hysterical hyperventilating is due to your comfort being disturbed. Church is a fun hobby for you, and you are biblically and historically ignorant, and hate to be reminded of it.
There is nothing I'm saying any different from what Campbell and Luther said. Maybe read more. Thank you!
RPGMay 6, 2018 at 8:05 AM
Exactly what is your concept of what a good church is. I'd like to hear this, and will get the popcorn out.
AnonymousMay 6, 2018 at 3:21 PM
Babbling is what you do when you talk with no idea what to talk about. You refute no facts, but simply parrot uninformed opinions.
You are right Craig. There were reforms I saw were needed,and when I mentioned them, I was reformed out of the church.
AnonymousMay 7, 2018 at 4:53 AM
Telling the truth is not bullying anyone. "A rod for the back of fools". Solomon.
There are specific steps in recruiting others to yourself. Step one is to pique others curiosity, step two is to make others dependent upon you through promises, step three is to close in the boundaries around your recruit, step four is to use threats to prevent recruits from leaving, step five is to make the groups leader omnipotent. My curiosity was piqued by the invitation to a bible study, I was promised deeper understandings of the Bible, I was encouraged at first then forced by threats to have roommates which belonged to the group, and I was told by the leader that he was to be to me a god and quoted exodus where God told Moses that he was to be a God to Aaron. What I got was little bible but instead mostly anti every other religious group teaching and few deeper understandings from my teacher. I realized one day that the reason he did not quote the Bible was because he did not know the Bible. When a man makes himself God on earth he is blasphemeing . The teaching of mark and avoid where a teacher or preacher decides to condemn and reject a person on their own council give that local leader power over spiritual life and death of the groups members and is false and destructive. How long before a corrupt leader uses the power of mark and avoid to extort sex or money from the groups members? Leaders are not omnipotent they are not to be respected as god's on earth.
Agree so why then does it take so many years for this to be revealed? Because they were vulnerable and they were duped?
Just a shot comment this time. Hey Mc Cheese!
Have you ever dropped acid?
I wouldn't call myself a Navy man but I knew a guy in the Navy who did do some acid and he jumped off our aircraft carrier into the Atlantic Ocean. You sound that wild in your outlet of tension. He went to Leavenworth military prison. Get help before your thoughts turn to action that may imprison you, including being involved in your own cult. Just write your book. Some where else please :} And "Leave Colonel Sanders Alone" he now has baked chicken, (not fried in More Crisco)
Our Founders Were Carnivores
The problems on this blog are the same in America. 90% of Americans know their hellivision more than their Bible. 90% can't even name 9 SCOTUS justices. 60% don't know the 3 branches of government. 80% can't pass a basic civics test. 90% have never read five biographies of the Founders. So the condemnation of me comes from people who hate to learn, and will attack any who remind them that their ideas are uninformed.
KF, I've never used drugs or alcohol. Have you?
So rather than indignantly attack me, you ought to be thanking me for showing you how to have an informed outlook to make you better individually. But no, instead, you want to crucify someone who tells you the truth. You're no different from those who put truth tellers of the past to death. Thank goodness the Founders knew your type well and gave us the First Amendment. They knew "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" as Lord Acton says.
Rather than attack me, what's wrong with you actually learning the Bible and history, and then changing your minds? What is so hard about that? Is it too much work for you?
Not one of you attacking me has offered one shred of proof that anything I've said is incorrect, yet you still hate it and me. That's your issue. Being a malicious and a malevolent person is bad for your health. Repent if you want to have a happy and a long life.
Monte Cristo Sir,
Write your book; hope that it sells a million copies as you predict in one of your earlier posts; gather a following of people who want to be enlightened by your beliefs and vast knowledge of history and literature. I doubt there are but a handful of people reading this blog that are remotely interested in your posts. You are wasting your time here as well as the time of others. You have the freedom to start your own blog, write your own book, speak at public assemblies, etc. but you have no right to hijack Kevin's personal blog. Yes, I admit I am one of the dull and ignorant in your eyes and yes, you could give me a written lashing for having such profound ignorance and the unmitigated gall to try to stop you but spare me and the majority of readers of this blog. I can probably write your response to this post and be spot on. Please stop.
When you set up your personal blog or website, please inform us. If there are any readers of this blog who would be interested in reading your material they would have the means and freedom to access it.
Seriously? You can't even spell!! Baffoon?? It's buffoon, which is what you are.
Who are you to say what's appropriate for this site? You can't even spell. Go learn how to judge your own writing before you try to judge what I say.
Go look up apathy. That will tell you why people aren't interested in what I say. But let someone talk about hellivision, movies, sports, music or other nonsense, and you will fall all over yourself to worship your idols, you miserable idolater.
Free speech was given to us so that we didn't have a kakocracy. Go look that word up. In a kakocracy, the worst informed, in other words, YOU, are the ones who run things and tell others what to do. Well that's not how our nation or this blog works, so go take your authoritarian, non spelling, totalitarian behind over to China and start bossing people around over there.
We have this same problem in our schools. The kids who don't want to learn and are uninformed gang up on and bully those who do learn. They make them feel bad just because some students actually did the work to learn.
So, kids are trained to be stupid and not appear too smart.
Well, I personally could give two hoots for anyone who tries to intimidate me for doing the work necessary to be an informed citizen of America, and a diligent student of the Bible.
God don't like lazy. And he really doesn't like lazy people who intimidate others into being lazy like them. It's bad enough lazy people are lazy, but it's worse that they actually make efforts to stop those who work hard.
Yesterday, at 5:25 P.M. PDT, yours truly walked into the Fairfield Church of Christ.
It happened to be the May Trip and so the preacher and teacher were away. It was quite a shock at first to them and me, but I calmly sat down, and heard some edifying words.
I was edified on how we need to leave our comfort zones. Pretty ironic, since as an excommunicated brother, my comfort zone had been shredded pretty good in the last ten years.
My reception was more hospitable this time around. Last time, they were speaking of calling the police on me.
It was the absolute most I've ever said in my life without speaking one word.
But, in unjust law is no law at all. If they won't follow God, then I'm not commanded to follow them where they depart. God certainly doesn't recognize my withdrawal or excommunication at all. So, I'm sinning against God if I do.
Saw a lot of familiar faces. Also saw that the church has not grown at all, and has actually shrunk since I was withdrawn from a decade ago. That was exactly what I told them would happen and it has. Prayerfully they will repent and lift their unscriptural teachings, but they have long been like Pharaoh, and think because they are in control, that they cannot be corrected or instructed. Hubris destroys people, nations, and churches.
I honestly love everyone there still, but I love God's truth more. We ought to fear God and not man.
To the heathens, lechers, libertines, scorners, and scoffers, kindly keep your opinions to yourself. Before the internet came along we all knew not to listen to you. Now that you are anonymous, you finally have a voice, and most of you have no problem using it, much to everyone elses misfortune.
May 7, 2:19. Knowledge without humility is ugly. Mighty ugly indeed. Your personal attacks are appalling. Which of the books you have read by men you esteem have ever argued their point in the manor you portray?
*manner. Humility is understanding our own limitations and not attacking others on ideas we aren't familiar with.
Humility is not putting up with people's atrocious spelling and horrifically ahistorical ideas. Sorry!!
A proud person wouldn't bother correcting people. They'd let them be wrong, and laugh at them in private.
I don’t believe laughing at people publicly is any more acceptable than laughing at them in private. I believe ‘putting up with’ atrocious spelling could be an admirable virtue much more then looking down your nose at the less educated or the mistaken. You give an answer to a man or woman’s words by laughing at their spelling and making a point to show your superior carnal ability; and you justify it. I’m not ordering you to stop; I am begging you.
Anon 5-6 @8:05 pm one reason the steps into recruitment are not well known is that they are so subtle only an astute observer would be able to identify them. I would watch the behavior of my teaching preacher and try to copy it with nothing but failure. Like Jim jones my teaching preacher was a master of influence using encouragement, discouragement, honesty and deceit flawlessly. I watch him change his personality when around the evangelist and back when the evangelist would walk out of the room, a true Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde (Dr. Jeckel is just an act Mr. Hyde is always there). He was worthy of an academy award some days. I did not know the unwritten rules of cult life such as everyone is required to report on everyone else to the leader and the leader is omnipotent and is never wrong, never to be told no, and to be adored publicly. With the three kinds of hearts, the honest and sincere would seem to be the most sought after but with Jim Jones he recruited all through manipulation. With the proud he would make an appeal to their pride give them a higher seat in his church then slowly bleed them of their riches, a master at manipulating others to serve him like be was a god. In acts 5 you read of a couple named annaias and Sephora who were not honest nor sincere and got rejected by Peter. Jim Jones is best known for the suicide murder of 900 followers but a study of his early life and preaching reveal the steps in manipulation he used on others.
One of the problems in relying on history books is that they are one sided, military history is especially biased as it is written by the victors alone. In the Vietnam conflict 58,000 Americans died but how many Vietnamese died? About 7 million. During the holocaust 6.6 million Jews died but 11.6 million total died in the concentration camps the seldom spoken about 5 million others were mostly polish citizens. There was a sign over the peoples temple agriculture project entrance in Guiana that read "those who fail to study history are condemned to repeat it" a ominous warning of the death to come for history is replete with stories of men leading their followers to their deaths. My favorite section of history is religious history, my library is full of books of personal stories of abused suffered in religion. The methods and tactics of recruitment and oppression are often shocking even years after the fact. History can be a teacher but don't let it fool you into thinking you are safe from evil, you never are. Viligence is required of all of us both wise and fools.
AnonymousMay 7, 2018 at 10:15 PM
When you read enough history books from all sides you eliminate bias. This is a common excuse used by those who try to excuse themselves for not learning history.
Take World War 2 for instance. We have versions from all sides, including the Nazi's and Japanese. It takes more work to examine them all, but it's possible to find the truth.
Christianity hasn't killed anyone, only those who distort it.
Well I agree and am currently reading Ivan's war by Catherine Martindale about the Soviet side of WW2. Like riches you do not reveal your wisdom to everyone. In the book of Daniel you can read of King nebchadezzar who was so angry he ordered all the wise men killed, not good to be known for wisdom at that time. In Cambodia during the late 70's a communist group called the Kramer rouge took control and killed everyone with any kind of knowledge leaving only the peasants alive, sometimes it is wise to be a fool. When under oppression the wise are seen as competition to be eliminated by the oppressive leaders. My first teacher decided to break my spirit by constantly mean and angry with me, using the proverb by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken. I played the fool following the proverb that you can beat a fool in a motor with a pestle yet will not his foolishness depart from him, you can not break a piece of rubber, though he tried. I became a fool for Christ inviting everyone and their brother to come to such a wonderful church, and as a result several of the people I invited came and got baptized. Wisdom is not appreciated but desperately needed by Christians in everyday life.
MC 2:46 good for you attending a Sunday evening class. Curious why they let you be? Anyhow I’m glad they left you alone. I may have to pay Portland a visit with my people. More out of fun for me though.
Thank you Craig. Well, if they called the police on me, they are violating scripture as Corinthians says not to call the law on your brother. Obviously I wouldn't leave if they told me. So they had two options. Either get up and leave the building, which they've done before, or let me sit quietly and do nothing. They opted for the latter.
I wasn't disrespectful in the least. I simply refused to obey a law they made that contradicted God's law.
So I Googled about Mc Cheese's two favoite subjects.
Founding Fathers and Homosexuality. But I'm too lazy to read it all. So Mc Cheese take a peak at what your fathers were doing when no one was looking. https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/1/18/15-gay-founding-fathers-and-mothers#slide-0
I was only in the Navy 4 years but it showed me plenty about the world. Yes much of the world is un-educated and want to believe in some sort of hope for themselves. That's where so many get duped by carnival-barkers of religion and everlasting-life.
Yes the un-educated fall for that sort of non-sense.
All your shouting of the words of others isn't getting you where you want to go. You are still following some other people's ideas. It is fine for people to just be themselves, educated or not. Judge others by their actions and not your hardened views of your small (hallucinogenic) world of French Aristocray. If you were a Navy man then you would know the world in a much bigger way than you are seeing now. Yes I have used drugs and alcohol and still do. It hasn't driven me mad or made me commit evil. No, on the other hand it is used much like your bible speaks of, as an enhancement to a social gathering or as a sedative to anxiousness. So Relax Mc Cheese! Kick-Back, Fire-up a Fat One and Pop-a-Beer
Don't be so hard on yourself and others.
China is Too Cold and they don't make good doughnuts
Big mistake, KF.
Google is leftist propaganda. I never use it at all. Not only do they spy on people, but they spread propaganda and their algorithms are designed to lead you to left wing sites, which you fell for. I recommend DuckDuckGo as a search engine, which does not spy on you, and is far less biased.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/will-the-left-gain-control-of-every-web-search/
And the site you posted is comprised of total lies. You need to read five biographies of the Founders.
Google just duped you, so I wouldn't be worried about the religious getting duped.
Your approach is that of apathy, which never gets anyone anywhere. I prefer dangerous liberty to peaceful slavery.
Until you get away from alcohol, drugs, and probably porn too, you'll never be able to see straight, and will remain angry, confused, vindictive, and blind until you die. Hopefully you repent.
May week for the cult. I’m wondering if they’ll come up with two elders this year? Any input on what they are discussing this year?
Another painful reminder today not to trust the complaining buddy at work. I have a coworker whom I deal with on a daily basis who will complain about everything related to work, from his required daily tasks, to the boss, to the industry we work in, to his point of view the grass is greener somewhere else. I usually remain silent and allow him to dominate the conversation, but I did agree with him recently and said perhaps I should look for employment somewhere else and the next day the supervisor asked me when I was quiting, to which I asked him who told him that I was quiting? Rumor mill he replied, no I am not quiting I told him and there was only one person whom I did mention it to. The complaining buddy at work is no buddy at all but an enemy in disguise. The boss is very sensitive to his employee's moods and reacts very quickly to remove bad apples from his barrel of employees and the complaining buddy was just setting me up for a fall. I do not join in when others start expressing their discontentments rather I now know to get up and leave quickly if possible if not I shut down the complaining with a reproof that it is time to get back to work. Do not trust a complaining buddy, they are an enemy to be rejected.
Good advice! Sad people cannot be trusted. When you think you have a true friend and they betray you. Like when you leave the church you are shunned. Like when they say Love thy neighbor like you love yourself. How disappointing….
The SCOC has a history of taking things to extremes. Members are not allowed to fellowship with outsiders including family, one has to wonder how then does one let their light shine to the outside world? Once I became a member I had instant new friends, that is the members of my local church, people I just met, but really did not know. I was told two weeks after baptism that I was not to eat dinner at a coworkers house because friendship with the world was enmity with God. I was obedient and let all my relationships with people outside the SCOC wither away. The amount of social pressure the tyrant of a preacher was able to exert upon my life was unbelievable after having lost all family and friends outside the SCOC I was quite isolated socially and had no one to point out just how abusive an environment I was in. After I left I was on my own having lost all my instant friends, and having no family or friends outside the SCOC. I had to start over with nothing but faith to go on, but I survived and now know the importance of healthy boundaries in relationships. A brotherhood (or sisterhood) can be a great support or a great enemy depending if the leader likes you and encourages others to support you or the leader does not like you and discourages others from supporting you. For me life got better once I left the abusive church I was in.
Anon 5:48. You were spot on as I experienced the same, however, I remained connected with my parents thank goodness. Though I missed regretfully family outings that I should’ve been on because I may of missed a midweek class, nonmember class or personal work which none are a commandment to keep. TC wants to use James 4:17 ha ha clown use that scripture to lift all your unscriptural withdrawals including mine. Oops no name calling. I’ve thankfully have reconnected with many old friends that are great people. Life has been awesome getting away from the cult though my wife is a cult follower and getting involved with a healthy church.
I believed the same thing until I began to understand these passages –
Luke 16:8-9
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
The church wants us to sever our ties with those in out lives and rely on them, but when it comes time to rely on them they fail to help. I got more excuses of why they wouldn't help in times of need (not just with bills) than any help at all.
When my wife and I were laid off and she had to go back to school (paid for by the state) and I was fighting for disability, we really got no support and help from the church. The preacher from the south would always ring with the motto of "ask not what the church can do for you. but what you can do for the church".
Those passages kept me from breaking all ties and burning all bridges with friends and family. In almost all cases they helped me and my family when the church wouldn't. Almost all of my mother's side of the family lives here and I know a lot of people outside of the church. Even though I wasn't unequally yoked together with them in a lot of cases they were there for us. My wife's mother and step father live less than a block from us and they help us so much. Knowing my physical limitations they would help get the kids to school and pick them up when wife was in school and working. Even to the tune of buying them school clothes.
I believe that God opened the doors through those who are not in the church when the church kept their doors closed. I believe that God, through them, bought us the house we are living in and a new vehicle when we needed it. We came out of our demise better off than before the demise happened and it was almost all through those who I had in my life that were not Christians at all. I can't thank God enough for that.
Craig Cusick
One thing through all of this that I have been trying to emphasize on is that we will have to stand before God and give account to what we did to each other. This scares me to not want to offend the people of God in any way or fashion.
Lynn mm, well said. I do not view the cult and it’s followers of God or the people of God. Including my wife. Actually we do not want to offend anyone period. The cult and its followers do a pretty good job of offending people not only within their group but also outside of it as well. Awesome Lynn mm that you saw God work and it was those who were not members of the cult that helped you. The Tacoma congregation are quite a reproach. Actually all of the congregations are.
I agree.
One of the subtle methods of Satan and those who personify him is to change the reason behind what you are required to do. Work is required of all of us to be productive but the wicked change work as a method of productivity to work as a method of control and punishment. I started the personal work out of joy to be one of the few to spread the gospel to the world. Soon however the teaching preacher became very demanding about the personal work saying that although the church was having baptisms they were comming through family and friends or coworkers and not from the personal work and more effort needed to be put into the personal work. The motive for doing the personal work changed from the joy of spreading the gospel into keeping the overbearing teaching preacher appeased and with the change In motive the joy of doing the personal work also changed into a motive of slavery to the oppressor, and one of misery. It is important to stop and ask why am I doing what I am doing, that is examine your motives behind what you do and ask yourself if they are the right motives or wrong motives. How you feel about what you do is very important, is it joy or the misery of slavery?
Instant gratification is a trap of Satan. Satan tempted Christ saying he would willing give Christ rule over all the kingdom's of the world if he would just fall down and worship him, why suffer and die when you can have it right now? Satan was lieing as he always does because it is God that rules in the kingdom of men as Nebuchadnezzar found out. This is the fourty year anniversary since the Jonestown murder/sucide and many former members are speaking out about their experiences. One of the ways Jim Jones cemented the loyalty of his followers was through instant gratification. Women in their early twenties were put on the planning commission and put in charge of millions of dollars in assets, a position they had little training for and would not be given in corporate America, they became very loyal to their generous master. In the SCOC I saw similar practices with the selection of preachers and teachers. Often it was babes, new members who were chosen to be the preachers and teachers with little to no experience in counseling in any area no experience in preaching, but loyal to church leaders. We had one teenage couple get baptized, get married and within six months got sent out to a congregation in the Carolinas to be the preachers and teachers, their only qualification was the boys mother was a teacher who was under Merie. They were very loyal to church leadership as they did not know how to govern a church at 17 and 18 years old. Instant preachers and teachers with little to no training in ministering to others. History does repeat itself, not exactly but it does repeat.
And what blows my mind is they have no education for teaching,preaching and counsel as they want to keep them dumb and dumber so the maniacs at the top can control them and what for? The one true church is just the opposite of being true and a church. A fraud! A cult! But you know what? God knows all about it and what do you think he thinksabout it? what about how they interfere with the families and how ridiculous to tell a couple when and how to make love and not to use birth control. I could go on and on about what happens but now that I have vented I thank my God that I will not have anything to do with them. They give me the creeps. Thank you God for leading me away from them and their ways and setting me free.
Those that I saw put in a position of authority did not humbly serve others but rather use their position to create a following after themselves. I saw insider/outsider mentality develop very quickly between the local preacher and his groupies and the rest of the members of the church. If you were an insider you received status and privileges the rest did not. If you committed adultery or child abuse that was no big deal but if you told someone to "quit complaining" you were threatened with mark and avoid. Gnat attack was the method of control, if you showed up to personal work on time you were reproved for being "almost late". The more important problems like the freeloading off of others in the church was ignored. When I see gnat attacks, that is going after tiny, petty issues and ignoring bigger problems such as abuse I know that leaders are not qualified to lead and it is time for a change. Developing quality leaders is essential to the success of any group, when this is ignored in favor of developing a cult following after oneself not only does it insure the eventual failure of the group but the destruction of others lives, financially, emotionally, and spiritually. For any group to continue leaders have to be held accountable for what they do and what they neglect. You as a member have the responsibility to prove your leaders and when this is prohibited from doing so you are in a cult of personality.
AnonymousMay 13, 2018 at 11:40 PM
Education? You mean like Christ and his apostles, who all had college degrees? Good thing they did or where would we be?
Good thing Abraham Lincoln and George Washington had college degrees, along with Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, and A.P. Giannini. Yes Sir!! A college degree is totally necessary. It's the biggest business in America at $1.3 trillion, and don't listen to the naysayers who say it's all brainwashing. They are really learning useful stuff in college like how to use drugs, fornicate, debauched sexual practices, party, basket weaving, multicultural studies, adult beverage consumption, communism, and how to hate America and Christianity. Great stuff in college!! Make sure you send your kid there so they can get "edicated" out of their common sense!! Hallelujah!!
And make sure you practice birth control so you can kill off your family and nation!! Every one knows humans are a virus!! Chicken Little was right!! The sky is falling. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/big_families.htm
Let's imitate Pharoah and limit the birth rate. He did it to weaken the Jews, we can do it to weaken our families and nation!! Hurray!!! Genius Idea!! Praise the Lord!!
It's great you are free of common sense!! Hopefully we all can get liberated like you!! Maybe if I smoke pot and get high as a kite I'll be able to be as wise as you!
Come on MC. I can understand by your reply you have been in this church??? a long time and only looking at the negative of a further education or training. I know you are from a large family and that is fine for some people but not for all and should be no ones business in a church how many children they choose. I do not believe couples should have children and then expect others to support them or the government. Each to their own. You are wrong! I have never used drugs. Nor do I plan to use them so you see you are labeling people ….and you are wrong. You do not know everything by reading your books. Do you have any friends outside of your church? Just curious but please answer me on another thread. This one is too long.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 11:00 AM
Can you tell me what can't be learned at the library for free that is taught in college for a fortune? Last I checked, it was nothing. I have a 5,000 volume personal library, and just bought 87 more great books for $60 Saturday. Got the 6 volume hardback Winston Churchill history of World War 2 for $2.50 at a library book store. One of the truly greatest days of my life, besides when I bought my Bible from DS after mowing lawns for him, and getting a tattoo on my arm from being seared from the weedeater motor that is there to this day. Also, besides when I was baptized in LH's garage in Stanton, and when I graduated from Bootcamp and from Nuclear Power school.
Lincoln went to a single year of 2nd grade for his formal education. He was far smarter than every college graduate today. Why? He never used drugs, never viewed porn, never watched hellivision, and read a ton. When I went to that library book store, there was zero 30 and unders there. The 30 and under crowd aren't interested in reading and are the dumbest generation in American history. The most corrupt too, since ignorance and corruption are married commonly. Also, minorities were severely under represented. I looked around carefully, and besides my friend who was 33 and Latino, there was not one latino or black person there at all, besides one older woman. So out of hundreds of shoppers, only one black person and no latinos. And we have to constantly hear about how it's America's fault and white people's fault about why crime and poverty levels are so high in the black and latino communities. Ummm….NO!! No matter your race, if you are wise and virtuous and read a lot of the Bible and great literature, you'll get anywhere you want in life. The same race baiters who are always whining about high incarceration rates in the black community, are silent about 75% illiteracy rates among black boys and 75% illegitimacy rates in the black community. I was just on my friend Jesse Lee Peterson's radio show this morning. What an amazing man he is. Stanton and a lot of people on this site can learn a lot from him. He understands that the man is the leader in the home, that women need to honor him and be in subjection to their husbands, and that when you repair the man and the family, the nation will be healed. Highly recommend his book. https://www.amazon.com/Antidote-Healing-America-Poison-Victimhood/dp/1942475004
As for large families, the sex drive was intended so that we get married and have children. Period. Only selfish people disagree. If you want to have sex then get married and have children. If not, then don't get married and don't have sex. This has nothing to do with Stanton. Even Libertarian non Christian news sites recognize the damaging effects of low fertility rates. I'm Italian, and birth control is destroying Italy. https://www.dailywire.com/news/30606/italy-headed-population-crash-2065-thanks-paul-bois
It's not the government's job to do welfare, it's the churches job and the wealthy. The churches and the wealthy aren't doing their job.
It's good to hear you've never used drugs, but if you've looked at porn, you've used drugs. https://fightthenewdrug.org/
I've got hundreds of friends. LOL. Sorry your world is so restricted that you think truths that are centuries old aren't popular. People like the truth, and not all people are stubborn and allergic to it like you.
https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Sabotage-Scientist-Unleashed-Corruption/dp/1935071858
I'd like to share the problems that the 35 and under have by sharing a recent experience with a 32 year old named David. I met him when I was on a tele conference Thursday night with America's Party, which is the closest to the Constitution of any I know of. For the Christians who want to sing out about how we don't get involved in politics, zip it! You wouldn't have America if the Founders thought like you. You've watched all kinds of Hellivision and Hollyweird but you are triggered snowflakes when we talk about politics even though you've never read five biographies of the Founders of your nation. Shameful!
http://www.selfgovernment.us/
So I was on the call when this whippersnapper named David enters a conversation on Israel. Trump is rightfully making Jerusalem the place where our embassy is, as it's Israel's capital and has been since the days of King David, despite it being terrorized by Islamists over the last 1,400 years.
Here is a great intro to Islam and it's pedophile butcher profit. https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1142
https://thereligionofpeace.com/
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html
David, at the wise age of 32, decides he's going to come on the call and start lecturing us all about how wronged and injured the Palestinians are and how bad Israel is. That's absolute nonsense, as if you took Israel's weapons away, they'd be exterminated in a week, and if you took the Palestinians weapons away, nothing would happen. So we started going over his sources and of course, like most brainwashed Americans, he'd never read seven conservative news sites for two months of his life. But that didn't daunt him.
I will post our conversation. It's pretty typical of how interactions with 35 and under's go. You have to shut them down and be firm with them, or they will argue all day. They are like grown kids. It's very bad.
David responds with this.
Ryan Messano,
Thank you for sending me these links. I appreciate it.
Following is a link to Framing the Word's documentary Marching to Zion which is in partnership with Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ where Steven Anderson is Lead Pastor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k&index=1&list=PLZ0McjOGQbq5OxjlGYd01LyxzO_XrdWYy&t=5210s
You can purchase this DVD documentary at http://www.framingtheworld.com.
I believe, according to God's Word, that the New Covenant is made between God and ALL of those who choose to believe and accept Jesus Christ. For example, the famous passage of John 3:16-17 which quotes Jesus himself, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
However, the teachings of Judaism reject Jesus Christ and the gospel message, his new covenant with the world, trusting instead in their ancient designation of God's "peculiar people" instead. Yet, their ancient designation of distinction was for the purpose of establishing a bloodline for the coming Messiah or Christ NOT a perpetual "chosen people". The apostle Paul wrote a rebuttal to this false doctrine rooted in Genesis 12 in his letter to the Galatians who were succumbing to Judaism. He wrote in chapter 3 verse 16,"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ."
In fact, I believe Judaism is satanic.
I believe, according to Stephen's testimony in his trial before the Jewish Council where he specifically pointed out their adoption of the Star of Remphan of the Temple of Moloch in Acts 7:43, that the so called Star of David is in fact of pagan origin. Furthermore, the prophet Amos criticized Judah for adopting the symbol of their star god of the Temple of Moloch in Amos 5:26. This, along with the fact that the Star of David is found nowhere in scripture nor was it his signature on any of his royal seals, I have concluded that the Flag of Israel is a wicked symbol.
I believe, according to Jesus Christ in John 14:6, that ALL non-believers, including Jews, are eternally damned, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." In 1st John 2:23, the apostle John wrote, "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
I believe, according to the Talmud and the Kabbalah, that Judaism is anti-Christ. Therefore, I believe that the book of Revelations is accurate in its description of Judaism as the Synagogue of Satan:
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." -Revelations 2:9
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." -Revelations 3:9
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Sincerely,
David
Notice how they use Google and YouTube, and that's the extent of their knowledge. Also, he big time misquotes the Bible. Thankfully, Stanton taught me how to deal with people who do this, and to nip it in the bud.
I don’t believe the Jews are going to heaven unless they accept Christ, but they are worlds better than Muslims.
His response
Ryan ,
Please forgive me if I cause you any offense, but I simply don't believe you read and comprehended my entire email, then replied to it with any real intelligent thought in 6 minutes. Furthermore, I fail to understand what Islam has to do with the relationship between Judaism and Christianity? It too is a false religion and anti-Christ. Both have a history of persecuting the Church. Besides, it was Steven I. Engel, a Jew, that began and continued the legal process that led to the Engel v Vitale case in 1962 in which the Supreme Court ruled 8-1 that School Prayer was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Frankly, I absolutely refuse to support the lessor of two evils. I believe that model of decision making has done significant damage to mankind and has made good leaders into bad ones.
Sincerely,
David
Dear David,
Please forgive me if I offend you by responding without reading through the information you presented, as it's nearly always the same with your age group. You rarely read, you don't have ten history books in your library, you watch YouTube propaganda, and you read Google propaganda. Wisdom is not on Google or youtube. Wisdom is obtained by vast reading from many different sources. You haven't even considered the rightwing sources because you've never been exposed to them. How can your opinion be taken seriously when you've never heard them. I'm very familiar with the pro Palestine, anti Israel sentiments. They are mostly petrodollar propaganda. Once you understand Islam, you'd never sympathize with Islam. The Jews aren't perfect, and neither is Israel, but it's a lot better than a caliphate. They are the only nation in the middle east that remotely resembles America.
Your generation and you don't realize you have two ears and one mouth so you can listen twice as much as you talk. You don't know what you don't know, and think Google has all the answers. It doesn't.
Not only does your generation not know a lot, you are into drugs and porn more than any other generation in American history. So not only are you ignorant, you are also corrupt, which is a deadly combination.
Israel is a beacon of hope in a Middle East saturated with Islam.
Leftist Jews from Marx to Freud are a cancer, but that doesn't make Israel or the conservative jews like Levin, Medved, Shapiro, or Dershowitz bad.
The schools, your parents and friends often, the media, Google, YouTube, hellivision, and the newspapers have badly brainwashed your generation. It's time to get off the internet and start checking out books or reading them.
Best,
Ryan
Ryan Messano,
I am aware of the National Review publication, Townhall.com, as well as Breitbart. The other sources NOT so much. I do not utilize these sources for my daily news. I often listen to the Glenn Beck radio program on the Blaze from 9 AM till 12 NOON. This fits my schedule best.
No, I do NOT have 10 biographies, but I do have a two. I have Team of Rivals by Dorris Kearns Goodwin and John Adams by David McCullough. After reading over 600 pages of Team of Rivals I got bored and I haven't touched it in several years. I read the first chapter or two of John Adams, then the HBO miniseries of John Adams came out and I lost interest in reading the book because the miniseries was 8 hours long. I received more than my fill of John Adams.
For the last year or so I haven't read much other than the textbooks for my Medical Billing & Office Administration course or MIBOA program at Ross Medical Education Center in Davison, MI where I obtained my Certificate of Billing & Coding Specialist. I put in a lot of hours while also talking care of my mother and maintaining our property. Still, I am extremely proud of the fact that I received a 3.6 GPA and near perfect attendance. I never missed a day.
Since then, I've been reading a book by Thomas J. DeLorenzo called Lincoln Unmasked. Currently, I'm on chapter 10.
However, in my last email to you I quoted several bible verses and I hope you'll agree that the Bible is a wonderful history book filled with the most trustworthy facts and sources available to mankind.
I am confused as to the reason why you believe I am an Islamic sympathizer. It seemed to me that you were attacking my age more than anything in relation to your charge. Could you explain to me why you labeled me an Islamic Sympathizer after I called Islam anti-Christ?
Sincerely,
David
It’s great you know of National Review and Townhall, though the former just had an article recently that we ought to accept transgenderism and Guy Benson, a homosexual, is a writer at the latter. Both ideas are crazy. Glenn Beck was a favorite of mine, as I supported Ted Cruz, but his Mormonism and absurd never trumperism is nonsense, imo.
The “Team of Rivals” book by Kearns Goodwin, and John Adams by Mccullough are inferior to books on the two written over seventy years ago. Carl Sandburgs biography of Lincoln was a masterpiece, and books Lincoln written before 1900 are far more accurate and use primary sources. Biographies of John Adams written before 1950 are far more insightful, as Americans weren’t using drugs, watching hellivision, viewing porn, and they were reading voraciously. Resultantly, their historical insight was a lot more accurate than the nonsense and revisionism we get today.
That is good you studied and did well in
School, however, schools are overwhelmingly leftwing and are brainwashing students along with the media, hellivision, entertainment, and Hollyweird. I just attended a library book sale yesterday for two hours and it revealed Americas problems. My friend was 33 and was THE YOUNGEST PERSON there, other than kids there with their parents. There wasn’t one black person there. Low literacy rates are a surefire indicator of poverty and crime rates being high in any community. There were hundreds of whites from fifty on up, buying books which were in great shape and included the classics in human literature. I personally purchased 87 books for $60 which is the greatest deal on books I’ve ever gotten, considering it included hardbacks and all were in great shape. Some were still in the packaging.
The Lincoln Unmasked book is nonsense. You need to learn about Bloody Kansas, John Brown, Beechers Bibles, Uncle Toms Cabin, Charles Sumner, Dred Scott, Fort Sumter, and the radical Souths firing the first shots.
I’d highly recommend not reading many history books written in the past fifty years, as they are of inferior quality and dubious motives.
I do believe the Bible is the greatest book in history. However, it can be distorted.
Your entire argument against Israel ignores the much larger threat of Islamism. With 1.8 billion adherents worldwide, its a much greater threat than Israel, and Muhammad was a bloody pedophile. The Palestinians are majority Muslim, and there is a lot of propaganda to stir up Americans to sympathize with Palestinians, and to turn on our own government, which is merely defending our best interests. You’re geberation is particularly susceptible to this. The 18-29 crowd votes 70% Democrat, as they are suckered by schools and the media.
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
Malcolm X. He was right. He learned too late of Islam’s bloody tendencies.
The youth in America are the most foolish and corrupt in American history due to drugs, porn, the internet, hellivision, and a lack of reading of quality literature and reliable history.
https://www.amazon.com/Dumbest-Generation-Stupefies-Americans-Jeopardizes/dp/1585427128,
Most of what you believe is disinformation,
https://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Strategies-Undermining-Attacking-Promoting/dp/1522605088
Notice how your generation references google, YouTube videos, and recent books, while knowing practically nothing of history, the classics, and great literature. This is dangerous.
Our education system shifted towards math and science when the Soviets launched Sputnik in 1957, and we lost our moral understanding. “If you educate a mans mind and not his morals you create a menace to society”.
Theodore Roosevelt
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action”
Goethe
Sincerely,
Ryan
Ryan you must have been out playing the simulated war game paintball again to explain your absence. Now it's back to the blog to relieve your aggressions with straw man arguments. College education is amoral, it is neither good nor bad but how one uses knowledge determines if they are a wise man or a fool. You disdain further education but boast of your own further education a contradiction to even the simplest of us. I don't want to buy the religion you are peddling my religion is free to all.
Ryan Messano,
National Review and Townhall.com were on your list of trusted "right wing" conservative sources that you sent me in your initiall e-mail to check out. You vilified me for not being aware of them, labeling me as ignorant and indoctrinated by liberalism. Now I mention that I utilize them from time to time to look up specific-based information, you criticize them as corrupted and biased by their Pro-Homosexual stance.
You challenged me to compare my library of biographies to yours. In fact, you wanted me to list 10. I informed you that I have biographies written by Doris Kearns Goodwin and David McCullough, then you criticize them because they weren't written before 1900 and you touted and author that you think is better, Carl Sanburg.
You claim that I have been "brainwashed" by liberalism because I completed a 9 1/2 month certificate program at a local medical school for medical billing. You've attacked my age once again and to add insult to injury you sent me a link to a book on Amazon titled, "Dumbest Generation Stupifies America.
MOST OF ALL, you claim that I have distorted scripture even when you admitted that you refused to read the e-mail in which I listed them. You have made the charge in multiple e-mails that I support Islam. If you would have read that e-mail I sent you, then you would know that I called BOTH Judaism & Islam anti-Christ. Why? 1 John 2:22, "Who is a liar but he that denieth the Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR9Z5BlcZU8
Please do not distort what I said, I merely pointed out anomalies in their normally trustworthy reporting. I did not say they were totally corrupt.
Also, try to keep the facts straight, I said written before 1950, not 1900. If you can’t keep facts straight in a simple email exchange, you are really in trouble when we are dealing with facts over centuries of time.
Then you distort what I said again. This is a common problem with your generation. I never said your education specifically was brainwashing, but higher education at large is.
Also, we really don’t start letters off with no form of salutation and simply a name. The education system is largely fraudulent.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1451683200/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8
Any scripture promoting Islam over Judaism is whack. Anyone who knows the Bible halfway decently knows this. Islam stones women for adultery, meaning they are the modern day Pharisees. Please study Islam so you can differentiate.
Your generation wants respect, but you refuse to do the work necessary to earn respect. You also hate to be corrected, and you like to argue. You lack humility, yet demand honor, refusing to recognize humility comes before honor. Bad enough your ideas are half baked, but you state them confidently and defend them.
Another young man was on the calls before you. He had your same attitude. He no longer is on the calls. He couldn’t handle being corrected so chose to leave on his own. We will see what direction you take. I empathize that your generation was misled, but I don’t sympathize with the dangerous ideas your generation has been infected with at all. You wish to be seen as a person, yet you parrot propaganda due to your lazy intellect. I have family members with your same problem, and I treat them the same.
I was addressing your failure to contrast Islam and Judaism. There are marked differences, and if you want to sympathize with Palestine, you need to recognize them.
Every last televangelist and YouTube preacher is teaching a false doctrine. So I’d recommend stopping watching Mr. Anderson. He’s full of nonsense, and instead of watching YouTube videos, you’d be better served sitting down With a Kjv Bible and Matthew Henry’s commentary, along with a thesaurus, a dictionary, and Bartlett’s book of quotations. When you do your own work to find the truth you will cease to be so naive and gullible
Ryan Messano,
I will write you a check for $100 if you can quote anything that I have written that either favors, promotes, or even defends Islam. May God strike me down on this very spot!
You attack your own sources that you esteemed so highly and have the gull to deny it when I bring it up. You've attack my education. You've attacked my age. You have been so critical and insulting towards me with your unreasoning logic, arrogant boasting, and self-righteousness that you've exhausted my patience with you.
Yes, you did type 1900. Get YOUR facts right, "The “Team of Rivals” book by Kearns Goodwin, and John Adams by Mccullough are inferior to books on the two written over seventy years ago. Carl Sandburgs biography of Lincoln was a masterpiece, and books Lincoln written before 1900 are far more accurate and use primary sources. Biographies of John Adams written before 1950 are far more insightful, as Americans weren’t using drugs, watching hellivision, viewing porn, and they were reading voraciously. Resultantly, their historical insight was a lot more accurate than the nonsense and revisionism we get today."
While you protest you don’t support Islam, you take the side of the Israeli hating Palestinians who favor exterminating Israel from the earth, along with Iran. May I recommend you sit down with the Kjv Bible, dictionary, and thesaurus WITHOUT THE INTERNET, and study the word PRIDE for the first hour of your entire life? Thank you! This is the root of your issues.
Just because you don’t understand that the youth in this nation is being seriously brainwashed by the twin weapons of the left, the media and schools, for not make me arrogant for saying it. Once again, it’s your pride. Had you opened the conversation with an open mind, which shouldn’t have been difficult since you obviously know so little about conservatism, you wouldn’t have these problems.
I was addressing Lincoln, not the Founders with the 1900 quote. You took it out of context. Though the best books are the oldest books, as time tells all tales. Don’t get mad at me for telling the truth. Get mad at Google, YouTube, Mr. Anderson, the schools, Hollyweird, hellivision, and our society for feeding you lies.
Also, get mad that 70 million Americans are on psychotropic drugs, 110 million have an STD, 80% of 11 year old boys are looking at porn, 200 million Americans have been slaughtered by abortion and contraception since 1965, and we spend $700 billion a year on drug, tobacco, and alcohol issues annually contrasted to $600 billion a year for national defense.
Get mad at that.
I’d recommend reading David Kupelian.
http://superstore.wnd.com/The-Snapping-of-the-American-Mind
http://superstore.wnd.com/The-Marketing-of-Evil-Paperback
Those lead best who learn to follow truth first.
Best,
Ryan Messano,
Palestinian Christians and even many Muslims simply want to live in peace in their country. These people do NOT want to be evicted from their homes and driven into another country simply because foreign Jews want their ancestral homeland back. That's no different than American citizens being evicted from their Georgia homes because the Cherokee want their ancestral homeland back. If this be the logic behind your reasoning, then the United States should forfeit rights to New Mexico, Arizona, and California to Mexico and the border line separating Texas from Mexico should be redrawn to its original border north of the Rio Grande.
I remind you that the #1 target of Muslim Extremists are other Muslims who want to live in peace with Christians & Jews.
Furthermore, there is no more "pure" Jewish bloodline. The prophecies of the Christ coming to earth and of the Temple being destroyed resulting in the Jews being scattered throughout the world has come to fruition. DNA evidence proves 100% without a shadow of doubt that EVERYONE has Jewish blood in their veins since the Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. Roman Emperor Hadrian, in an effort to erase all Jewish claim to the land of Israel renamed it Palestine. However, the land was never vacant. Therefore, these people, regardless of their national origin or ethnic group, were called Palestinians.
After the success of the Zionist Movement in 1948 which re-established the nation state of Israel, Yasser Arafat revived the name distinction in an effort to better represent and symbolize his people other than the label of "Arab". This is no indication that I approve of nor defend the actions of Yasser Arafat who is, as we correspond with each other, suffering the torments of Hell and justly so.
Today, Judaism relies heavily upon the Talmud and the Kabbalah which are anti-Christ. So too is Islam whose teachings rely upon the Koran which was written by those quoting the aged disciples of Muhammad by relying upon oral tradition after he had passed away. They claim that he ascended into heaven, but I am curious if his earthly remains can be found at their holy sight in Mecca.
Regardless, your belief is based on the inaccurate assumption that ALL Palestinians are Muslim Extremists who want to nuke the State of Israel and kill Christians. My heart goes out to my Palestinian brothers and sisters in Christ who are enduring hardship by the Israeli government and the Islamic terrorists as well as being ignored and ridiculed by their Christian family in the West. My spirit is disturbed by their unjust treatment simply because of their geographical location and the ignorance of those who should know better.
David
Well, that’s too bad. I recommend you read a biography of Harry Truman, he knew far more history than you, and understood the people and history of the Middle East very well. Israel was there long before the Palestinians got their Islamic hands on it. Christians aren’t being attacked by Israel and the Jews, they are being exterminated by Muslims, whose Quran commands the extirpation of Jews and Christians. I’m frankly very frightened at how tenaciously you defend the most ridiculous ideas. It shouldn’t take this much work to convince you of the utter folly of your beliefs. Stubbornness is commonly associated with pride. How about you get your own library, get off the internet and start reading? We will be debating all day and I’m frankly sick of debating people who refuse to educate themselves.
You really don’t care about the truth, you just want to be right, truth be damned. Defending Palestinian terrorists doesn’t bother you a whit.
The Jews had that land for centuries. It was their promised land, your precious Bible ought to have taught you that.
The Cherokee’s were a bunch of pagans and they had no land laws, so stop trying to apply our land laws to them. Just because you are the first person on some land, doesn’t make it yours. God gave the Jews their land, he never gave the cherokees theirs. You are a lukewarm Christian definitely. Defending Islamists and pagan Indians, both with savage habits. Keep it up and you’ll be beheaded just like James Foley, who thought America was mean and bad, and didn’t realize until it was too late who the real bad people are.
Go read a book on the Mexican American War, we keep bumping up against your ignorance which inevitably leads to your being brainwashed. You evidently love being lied to and tenaciously defend your haphazard ideas. We could have taken the entire nation of Mexico, but didn’t. Many Mexicans wish we had. Sam Houston and Winfield Scott defeated Santa Ana fairly. This after the Alamo was slaughtered by the tyrant Santa Ana. Please let me know what book you’ve read on the Mexican American War on your own, as I doubt you’re read one. You are continuously being suckered.
Islam hates everyone. The Quran has 109 commands to kill those who aren’t Muslims, stop justifying the biggest death machine in world history.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/05/the_five_stages_of_islam.html
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html
Didn’t I just get done saying that I don’t think Jews are going to heaven? It’s more complex than simply opposing all Jews and Muslims.
The Jews don’t have a holy book commanding them to kill other religions, Islam does. Not hard to understand. You are deceived. Christian are treated far better in Israel than in Palestine. I just had two of my Christian friends return from tours of Israel.
My spirit is disturbed by your instransigence and recalcitrance. Being young and foolish isn’t bad until you are stubborn.
That’s your problem.
Please don’t respond to me until you’ve studied the word pride and humility for one hour of your life. I’m frankly uninterested in hearing you repeat the propaganda you’ve been fed and wasting my time.
Thank you.
If you respond without proof of that, you’ll be blocked, and I will be certain to publicly excoriate you at the Tuesday’s meeting, whether you are on it or not.
Ryan
There are at least three words you’ll need to look up in a dictionary. It’s sad you rely on Google that misleads you and keeps you deceived
Ryan Messano,
Santa Ana was democratically elected by Mexico to be their President, but he turned into a military dictator which is why local Mexicans & American immigrants joined together under Sam Houston (who fought with General Jackson) and fought Santa Ana's military rule and established the Republic of Texas on March 2nd, 1836 which was later annexed by the United States on February 19th, 1846.
However, the Mexican-American War was a separate conflict. President Polk was a firm believer in Manifest Destiny and wanted to make the United States a continental nation which was accomplished by his signing of the Oregon Treaty with Great Britain on June 15th, 1946. However, President Polk coveted land belonging to the United Mexican States, especially California and the Rio Grande near the Texas/Mexican border. President Polk sought to provoke a Mexican attack by sending General Taylor and his troops south of the then established border into the coveted Rio Grande on Mexican soil. The Mexican Army attacked our army which prompted an immediate Declaration of War from Congress.
The morality of this war was questioned by then Illinois Whig Congressman Abraham Lincoln. Following is a link to his speech on the floor of the House of Representatives: http://global.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780195375701/pdf/SPD4_Opposition_Mex_Am_War.pdf
Document No. 4. Opposition to the Mexican-American War in …
Document No. 4. Opposition to the Mexican-American War in the United States . Abraham Lincoln, Speech in U.S. Congress, January 12, 1848 . Although most U.S. politicians supported the Mexican-American War, among the
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You have made inaccurate claims about me and have hurled accusations and insults to boot. You sir, are guilty of the charges you have so arrogantly thrusted upon myself. Your age does NOT protect you from indoctrination and I strongly encourage you to read the King James Version bible verses that I have used in previous e-mails to explain why I believe the way I do about Judaism and Israel.
You have my phone number. If you want to talk instead of trolling me you are free to do so.
David
Look David, I know all that. I grew up without a hellivision, and read a ton. Please stop telling me what you find on Google. Been there, done that. It’s hard not to be contemptuous with your age group because you don’t know what you don’t know.
Can you read?
I’m NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR GOOGLE SEARCHES!!
If you don’t know it from memory, then get to reading.
You were told not to respond until you sit down and study pride and humility for one hour. You did it anyway.
Google searches are meaningless and there is plenty of propaganda to fool you with.
Keep your mouth shut, go read, and don’t waste my time with your arrant nonsense anymore.
I love how you recite information from your silly google searches as if you actually know what you are talking about. You don’t.
Don’t talk to me until you’ve read those seven conservative news sites for two months of your life, you’ve read five biographies of the Founders, and you’ve studied pride and humility for one hour apiece. I shouldn’t hear anything from you for two months.
Your opinion isn’t worth anything, sorry!! Until you inform it, you’ve got nothing to say.
We will be here all day with your dumb google searches. No time for that.
Also, don’t talk to me if you use porn or drugs, you are incapable of reason and need to fix yourself.
Lincoln and Thoreau opposed the war. There was some merit to their opposition, but if we hadn’t taken the territory, Spain, France, Britain, or Russia would have taken it. Long term, it was a very good idea. If we hadn’t taken it, other nation’s would have used it as a springboard to launch attacks on us from.
You have some serious work to do, and googling and responding to me isn’t part of it.
You were warned once, and this is your last warning.
If you respond once more before two months are up, you’ll be blocked, I will not respond, and I’ll address you publicly at our next meeting whether you join or not.
From experience, I expect you to respond, and expect I’ll have to block you. Willful stubbornness is a fault of youth.
Sure enough, he responded and was blocked.
For the lukewarm Christians who are allergic to severe teaching, let me introduce you to Martin Luther, who was here centuries before Stanton.
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Monte, I believe I am speaking for the vast majority of readers of this blog. ZIP IT!!!! Keep your mouth shut, go read your Bible, and don’t waste my time with your nonsense anymore! That last dump of comments was completely uncalled for with respects to what this blog is about. It might make you feel good to see your words in print and to know that your thoughts are not going unnoticed but this is ridiculous! Go have your discussions elsewhere on your own blog and with people who are interested in what you have to say! You are so exceedingly rude.
To MC on the subject of college education… I can tell you who can't practice their profession without a college and/or post secondary education…doctors, dentists, teachers, physical therapists, nurses, radiology techs, speech therapists, librarians, pilots, military officers, engineers, CPAs, veterinarians, engineers, architects. Even barbers and cosmologists require post high school education. All the reading and studying in the world would not grant them a professional license.
Sure, one can learn anything by studying library books but one can't practice what they've learned if they are interested in pursuing any of the above professions.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 2:04 PM
I just love you impudent types who are totalitarian dictators. Who gave you the idea that you get to tell people what they can and cannot say?
That last exchange was for people like you to see what you need to learn. But you don't want to learn. You want to silence others and live your mediocre life and throw your weight around. Go look up the First Amendment.
You don't speak for the majority, and you certainly don't speak for the wise and virtuous even if you did.
It matters little who is right, it matters much what is right.
So take your happy self to your local library and go educate yourself and stop playing Mao on here.
Also, you can learn a lot from the crabs in a crab barrel. They all try to get ahead by pulling down the crab ahead of them. It never works.
Thank you!
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 2:52 PM
That's less than 25% of all college degrees. Most are for nonsense topics. Even those degrees can be learned in the library or on the internet for free.
MC, interesting how you can't hear your own words, such as 'zip it' and 'keep your mouth shut' without crying 'dictator'. Those are words you yourself have said to others in your comments on this blog, that's exactly why I used them on you.
MC you are such a contradiction. You have no problem blocking people when you are doing the blocking. You have a perverted sense of the word freedom. You don't even practice what you preach.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 3:15 PM
What's interesting is that you don't understand the First Amendment was for wise and virtuous opinions, not for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to spout off.
That's the problem. The sophists teach you that your measurement of things counts, and there is no absolute truth. Well they, and you, are both dead wrong.
https://larouchepub.com/other/2003/sci-techs/3035sophism.html
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
Not really, Solomon was for free speech for wise opinions too, but if you didn't know what you were talking about, he recommended a rod for the fools back.
So, let's see. Are you just talking, or have you informed your opinion?
Name five biographies of the Founders of your nation you've read?
If none, then stick a sock in it and skedaddle to la libreria.
Hey Everyone! We nominate Monte to be the First Amendment Police!! He will be the decider of all things wise and virtuous. Let Freedom Ring!!
Tom Dick and HarryMay 14, 2018 at 4:22 PM
Moe, Larry, and Curly, is that you? You misspelled your name.
The blog was for informed opinions, not jokers who are fond of impudently inserting their uninformed opinions everywhere.
Liberty is only possible with virtue, and when you don't know the latter, which you obviously don't, the former is endangered, which it is.
Here's a quick primer for you. I know you'll enjoy it. Cheerio!!
lib-er-ty 'lib-er-te` n [ME, fr. MF liberte', fr. L libertat, libertas, fr. liber free]
1. FREEDOM 2. POWER 3. CHOICE 4. RIGHT 5. PRIVILEGE 6. DUTY 7. STANDARD
vir-tue 'ver-(,)chu: n [ME virtu, fr. OF, L virtut-, virtus strength, virtue]
1. MORALITY 2. POWER 3. VALOR 4. MERIT 5. CHASTITY 6. FORCE 7. AUTHORITY
"[V]irtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government."
George Washington
"Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? "
George Washington
"[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists . . . an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness."
George Washington
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington
"The aggregate happiness of the society, which is best promoted by the practice of a virtuous policy, is, or ought to be, the end of all government . . . ."
George Washington
"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."
George Washington
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
"Laws without morals are in vain."
Benjamin Franklin (Motto of the University of Pennsylvania)
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
Benjamin Franklin
"A nation as a society forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society."
Thomas Jefferson
"No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government."
Thomas Jefferson
"It is in the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigour. . . . degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats into the heart of its laws and constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
"[In a republic, according to Montesquieu in Spirit of the Laws, IV,ch.5,] 'virtue may be defined as the love of the laws and of our country. As such love requires a constant preference of public to private interest, it is the source of all private virtue; for they are nothing more than this very preference itself… Now a government is like everything else: to preserve it we must love it . . . Everything, therefore, depends on establishing this love in a republic; and to inspire it ought to be the principal business of education; but the surest way of instilling it into children is for parents to set them an example.'"
Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.
"When virtue is banished, ambition invades the minds of those who are disposed to receive it, and avarice possesses the whole community."
Montesquieu (written by Thomas Jefferson in his Common Place Book).
"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition."
Thomas Jefferson
"Liberty . . . is the great parent of science and of virtue; and . . . a nation will be great in both always in proportion as it is free."
Thomas Jefferson
"The order of nature [is] that individual happiness shall be inseparable from the practice of virtue."
Thomas Jefferson
"Without virtue, happiness cannot be."
Thomas Jefferson
"The institution of delegated power implies that there is a portion of virtue and honor among mankind which may be a reasonable foundation of confidence."
Alexander Hamilton
"To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea."
James Madison
"The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
James Madison
". . . Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed . . . so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger."
Patrick Henry
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
Patrick Henry
"The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a great Measure, than they have it now. They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty.
John Adams
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net."
John Adams
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
"Liberty can no more exist without virtue and independence than the body can live and move without a soul."
John Adams
"Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics."
John Adams
"[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue."
John Adams
"The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy."
John Adams
"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, they may change their rulers and the forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty."
John Adams
"Honor is truly sacred, but holds a lower rank in the scale of moral excellence than virtue. Indeed the former is part of the latter, and consequently has not equal pretensions to support a frame of government productive of human happiness."
John Adams
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty. There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration of virtue. These amiable passions, are the "latent spark"… If the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling the differences between true and false, right and wrong, virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
John Adams
"Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers."
Fisher Ames
"It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people."
Richard Henry Lee
"Whenever we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
Thomas Paine
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man."
Samuel Adams
"The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals."
Samuel Adams
"[M]en will be free no longer then while they remain virtuous."
Samuel Adams
"If virtue & knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslav'd. This will be their great security."
Samuel Adams
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."
Samuel Adams
"A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy…. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader…. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
Samuel Adams
"No people can be great who have ceased to be virtuous."
Samuel Johnson
"No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
George Mason
"[A] free government . . . cannot be supported without Virtue."
Samuel Williams
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look at his character. It is alleged by men of loose principles, or defective views of the subject, that religion and morality are not necessary or important qualifications for political stations. But the scriptures teach a different doctrine. They direct that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds, breaches of trust, speculations and embezzlements of public property which astonish even ourselves; which tarnish the character of our country and which disgrace our government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he not only sacrifices his own responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country."
Noah Webster
"…if the citizens neglect their Duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizen will be violated or disregarded."
Noah Webster
"Let a man's zeal, profession, or even principles as to political measures be what they will, if he is without personal integrity and private virtue, as a man he is not to be trusted."
John Witherspoon
"… the manners of the people in general are of the utmost moment to the stability of any civil society. When the body of a people are altogether corrupt in their manners, the government is ripe for dissolution."
John Witherspoon
"So true is this, that civil liberty cannot be long preserved without virtue."
John Witherspoon
"… but a republic once equally poised, must either preserve its virtue or lose its liberty, and by some tumultuous revolution, either return to its first principles, or assume a more unhappy form."
John Witherspoon
"A country cannot subsist well without liberty, nor liberty without virtue."
Jean Jacques Rousseau
"Machiavel, discoursing on these matters, finds virtue to be so essentially necessary to the establishment and preservation of liberty, that he thinks it impossible for a corrupted people to set up a good government, or for a tyranny to be introduced if they be virtuous; and makes this conclusion, 'That where the matter (that is, the body of the people) is not corrupted, tumults and disorders do not hurt; and where it is corrupted, good laws do no good:' which being confirmed by reason and experience, I think no wise man has ever contradicted him."
Algernon Sidney
"[L]iberty cannot be preserved, if the manners of the people are corrupted . . ."
Algernon Sidney
"[A]ll popular and well-mixed governments [republics] . . . are ever established by wise and good men, and can never be upheld otherwise than by virtue: The worst men always conspiring against them, they must fall, if the best have not power to preserve them. . . . [and] unless they be preserved in a great measure free from vices . . . ."
Algernon Sidney
"Fruits are always of the same nature with the seeds and roots from which they come, and trees are known by the fruits they bear: as a man begets a man, and a beast a beast, that society of men which constitutes a government upon the foundation of justice, virtue, and the common good, will always have men to promote those ends; and that which intends the advancement of one man's desire and vanity, will abound in those that will foment them."
Algernon Sidney
"[I]f vice and corruption prevail, liberty cannot subsist; but if virtue have the advantage, arbitrary power cannot be established."
Algernon Sidney
"If the public safety be provided, liberty and propriety secured, justice administered, virtue encouraged, vice suppressed, and the true interest of the nation advanced, the ends of government are accomplished . . ."
Algernon Sidney
"[L]iberty without virtue would be no blessing to us."
Benjamin Rush
"Without virtue there can be no liberty."
Benjamin Rush
"The only foundation for… a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
Benjamin Rush
"No free government can stand without virtue in the people, and a lofty spirit of partiotism."
Andrew Jackson
"Lastly, our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits."
Daniel Webster
"[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us, that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity."
Daniel Webster
"Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith."
Horace Greely "What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint."
Edmund Burke
"Among a people generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist."
Edmund Burke
"Manners are of more importance than laws. Upon them in great measure the laws depend. The law touches us but here and there, and now and then. Manners are what vex and smooth, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in. They give their whole form and color to our lives. According to their quality, they aid morals, they support them, or they totally destroy them."
Edmund Burke
"It is better to cherish virtue and humanity, by leaving much to free will, even with some loss of the object , than to attempt to make men mere machines and instruments of political benevolence. The world on the whole will gain by a liberty, without which virtue cannot exist."
Edmund Burke
"Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their appetites; in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity; in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption; in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsel of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters."
Edmund Burke
"Among a people generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist."
Edmund Burke
"[T]he very best forms of government are vain without public virtue . . . ."
William A. Cocke
"No polity can be devised which shall perpetuate freedom among a people that are dead to honor and integrity. Liberty and virtue are twin sisters, and the best fabric in the world . . . ."
James H. Thornwell
"[P]erfect freedom consists in obeying the dictates of right reason, and submitting to natural law. When a man goes beyond or contrary to the law of nature and reason, he . . . introduces confusion and disorder into society . . . [thus] where licentiousness begins, liberty ends."
Samuel West
"When was public virtue to be found when private was not?"
William Cowper
"The laws by which the Divine Ruler of the universe has decreed an indissoluble connection between public happiness and private virtue, whatever apparent exceptions may delude our short-sighted judgments, never fail to vindicate their supremacy and immutability."
William Cabell Rives
"Unless virtue guide us our choice must be wrong."
William Penn
"If men be good, government cannot be bad."
William Penn
"Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them."
Joseph Story
"The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful and virtuous."
Frederick Douglas
"[R]eligion, morality and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged."
Northwest Ordinance of 1787
"I consider the domestic virtue of the Americans as the principle source of all their other qualities. It acts as a promoter of industry, as a stimulus to enterprise and as the most powerful restraint of public vice. . . . No government could be established on the same principle as that of the United States with a different code of morals."
Francis Grund
Should have just told him in the beginning if he uses porn or drugs not to talk to you and gave him that choice firt. Might have prevented a mini novel. Lol
"The American Constitution is remarkable for its simplicity; but it can only suffice a people habitually correct in their actions, and would be utterly inadequate to the wants of a different nation. Change the domestic habits of the Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter in the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."
Francis Grund
"History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster."
Douglas MacArthur
"[Liberty] considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom."
Alexis de Tocqueville
"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her comodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies; and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast commerce, and it was not there. Not until I visited the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
An old adage attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville
"Somehow strangely the vice of men gets well represented and protected but their virtue has none to plead its cause — nor any charter of immunities and rights."
Henry David Thoreau
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society."
Theodore Roosevelt
"We have never stopped sin by passing laws; and in the same way, we are not going to take a great moral ideal and achieve it merely by law."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
"No government at any level, or at any price, can afford, on the crime side, the police necessary to assure our safety unless the overwhelming majority of us are guided by an inner, personal code of morality. And you will not get that inner, personal code of morality unless children are brought up in a family — a family that gives them the affection they seek, that makes them feel they belong, that guides them to the future, and that will build continuity in future generations. . . . the greatest inequality today is not inequality of wealth or income. It is the inequality between the child brought up in a loving, supportive family and one who has been denied that birthright."
Lady Margaret Thatcher
"A state is nothing more than a reflection of its citizens; the more decent the citizens, the more decent the state."
Ronald Reagan
"Today it would be progress if everyone would stop talking about values. Instead, let us talk, as the Founders did, about virtues."
George Will
"The ultimate success of this government and the stability of its institutions, its progress in all that can make a nation honored, depend upon its adherence to the principles of truth and righteousness."
John Lord
"Righteousness exalteth a nation."
Proverbs 14:34
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 4:44 PM
Good point. Every man has viewed porn, and drug use is rampant.
Everyone go to a new thread so we can discuss what this blog was intended for and get away from MC for goodness sake. He has taken it over and most of it tooting his own horn and trying to shame others. He has porn and drugs on his mind…and anyone who disagrees with him ….well you know the rest of the story.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 5:38 PM
Speak for yourself. Not everyone hates wisdom and virtue. Just because you have an allergy to it, doesn't mean you should lead everyone else to disaster like the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
You have a severe problem with evil surmising, also with pride, as you insist on forcing your uninformed opinion on others and demand that it be respected. When people spit on it, as it should be, you throw a conniption fit and try and take your toys and tell all the other kids to leave too. Pathetic!!
Kindly confirm you don't use porn and drugs, and that you've read five biographies of the Founders of your nation. I definitely know you haven't read the five biographies, because if you had, you'd never spout the absurd nonsense you are in the habit of spewing.
I'm very happy Kevin is assisting me to start a new website. I'll be sure to have a block feature, so that impudent and insolent types like you can be warned and then blocked. You never learn and you love to stop others from learning too. A typical scorner and scoffer. Going nowhere and you hate those who are going places.
When Christ exorted to make friends of unrighteous mamon so that when you fail they may take you into everlasting habitation when applied to his life it meant that he was friendly to a rich man named Joseph who buried him after his death. Fail being his death and everlasting habitation being the grave.
When someone walks after their lust they develop an inferiority complex and become known as a doormat. Doormat treat others well but treat themselves badly. One of the behavioral fruits of doormat is they are menpleasers, moral cowards. All leaders are man pleasers to a certain extent take Herod for an example when he made the foolish pledge to give the girl that danced for him and his guests anything she asked for up to half his kingdom and she came back and asked for a man's life Herod should have had the moral courage to tell her she was asking to much but being a man who pursued his lust he was weak and gave in and in so doing had a righteous man killed. God did not treat Herod kindly for his merciless act. Living a life of strict moral discipline that is following God's commandments not to lust in our hearts give one the moral strength to stand up and reject evil both in ourselves and from others. When you decide on 100 percent rejection of evil and it's influences you will become respected by both man and God. Every rejection of evil will make you stronger and the next demon Satan sends your way won't seem as difficult to overcome.
I have to wonder about my first teaching preacher in the SCOC about his hidden life. One of my frequent prayers is that serial killers may be identified and punished that evildoers learn to fear God, especially that cases that have gone cold be solved so that evildoers do not get away with their crimes. With the arrest of the golden State killer, Joseph James deangelo 72 years old and a former police officer I know that God hears our prayers and provides us our safety from such evil people. In the news reports several of his neighbors commented on his short temper screaming at them so loud that even from inside his house they could clearly hear him. This reminds me of similar behaviors of my teaching preacher, screaming so loud during a nonmembers class that as I arrived 15 minutes late one night I could hear him as I parked my car across the street. His Sermons were often scream fests and he bragged about going to another congregation and screaming at them for four and a half hours, I have to ask not if this is normal or acceptable behavior for a Christian preacher; but rather I ask myself if this is the tip of the iceberg of a truly evil man. Intimidation and harassment were taught as persecution and Christ persecuted the pharissees, so this was somehow an acceptable method of leadership. I ask now for prayers of manifestations that if he is hiding some past evil as his behavior suggests that God would show it to the world and let everyone know that he is not a God who let's evildoers go unpunished.
Where on earth were you attending and please say you are not still there and left immediately. How could anyone sit through this? Insane!
It was the Phoenix congregation 1990-1993. No I don't attend since 2002. As I study psychology I am taught to observe human behavior and for each and every behavior their is a reason behind it. The reason behind the behavior may not make any sense to others or even to the person exhibiting the behavior at the time but if you go below the surface the reasons become very clear. For example a person may have a phobia of dogs and not know why but in questioning the individual they may have been taught the phobia by a parent who was bitten as a child this is called phobia indoctrination. The superiority complex is often rooted in the inferiority complex and an individual will over compensate their behavior to prove to themselves they are not inferior and weak. The teaching preacher I was first under was constantly angry, yelling for two hours the entire time of bible studies, he was very abusive verbally but not physically. In studying others who exhibit the superiority complex you can see a gradual removal of all boundaries, social, financial, and legal, in a constant attempt to reassure thier ego that they are superior to others. The reassurance is always short term as someone else will cause doubts with intentional or more often unintentional behaviors and with each new doubt an escalation in behavior follows until the person commits murder, the ultimate act of superiority. My first teaching preacher may not have committed violent acts but he was certainly on the path to it. Observation is one of the first steps into wisdom as Solomon said go to the ant thou sluggers consider her ways and be wise, observation of ants helps one overcome slothgulness, observation of human behavior helps identify the wicked and when their behavior is going to get worse. When people are on the verge of a violent act it is time to get up and flee not a time to try and reason the person down to earth. I left the SCOC in 2002 as it was abusive to all the children and adults like the Penzoil truck driver and USMC drill instructor started making threats of violence to their fellow Christians. It was church of Christ in 1990 but through evil leadership it turned into a church of Satan. News stories of egregious behaviors today bring back memories of my time spent in the SCOC.
One thing I was considering tnis week was the fear of God. God is no respecter of persons, no matter who or where you are come judgement day you will be judged by the law God gave man to obey. Knowing this you take Christ into consideration that if he had sinned he would judged for his disobedience by God. Christ was obedient in all things required of the Jews by God which shows the level of fear he must of had to be obedient at all times, I wish I had the level of fear of God to be obedient at all times as Christ was, Christ is the example I strive to follow. Knowledge alone is not enough as we see with Solomon and his fall from grace in his old age, Christ had both knowledge and fear.
Lord Acton a British historian made an observation that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely meaning that as a persons sense of power grows their morality decreases and this can be seen with king Solomon but not with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ like King Solomon had absolute power that is the power over life and death of others but Christ used his absolute power not to take life but go restore it not once but time and time again. What separated Christ from other leaders was his fear of God, he retained it all throughout his life. When you see a religious leader turn abusive toward their followers realize that they have lost their fear of God, they may retain knowledge of the Bible but stop following it in their own lives and as such should be reject for becoming a hypocrite. I seek to retain my fear of God in my everyday life through daily study of the Bible and humbly telling myself as the apostle Paul asserted that among sinners I am chief.
Interesting lesson this week on expressing discontentments, or murmuring. Expressing discontentments privately is murmuring compared to expressing discontentments publicly which might be sowing discord or rebellion. I was taught that murmuring was a fruit of uncleaness but that is not always true. People express their discontentments privately for a vast number of different reasons such as trying to sound more important to one's peers, or following the bad example set by another who express discontentments out of habit. One of the subtle or difficult parts of wisdom is that the wise do not express their discontentments but rather their contentment. To privately agree with one's boss or leader is wise and to refuse to express one's discontentments is also wise but often goes unnoticed by the crowd. To be the one who does not complain is like a chain of gold around one's neck, that is it makes you more attractive.
In making moral judgements we are often told to ask what would Jesus do and go with that. If you are a little on the slow side like me this can present problems as I don't always know what Jesus would do so I have to ask myself would would Satan do and then do the opposite. God always tells the truth and Satan always lies therefore if Satan says take the easy way or the wide gate I know that he is lying and to take the hard way and the narrow gate. From scripture one in Census we see Satan a false witness of what God says or means and he is never to be trusted for any advice.
What is a Christian to do after leaving a dead Church? The church is supposed to be the bride of Christ and a bride should be a virtuous woman. All the behaviors mentioned in Proverbs 31:10-31 of a virtuous woman should be looked for when seeking a virtuous church. As the virtuous woman stretched out her hands to the needy so the virtuous church should stretch out their hands spiritually to feed the needy saints. If your not being feed spiritually, that is not being edified then perhaps you need to reexamine the behaviors of your church as see if it still retains its virtues. Seek and you will find, virtuous churches do exist
Yes they do and I encourage you all to do so. Please don’t turn away from God simply because you have been in a devious one. Actually cannot be called a church. Cult is a better word for it.
In the proverbs it is written twice that there is a way that seemeth right into a man but the end thereof is death and an example of this is seen in the new testament with Herod how he gave a speech and the audience said it is the voice of a god and not of a man and the angel of the Lord smote him down and he died, failing to give God the glory as a leader resulted in his death. When a person is granted understandings of the scriptures by God that same person bears the responsibility to give credit where credit is due and refuse to be exalted themselves, but rather glotify God as the source of thier wisdom. Christ did this when a young man called him good master and he asked him why callest thou me good there is none good but God in heaven, Christ glorified God and not himself. Cult leaders do the wrong thing and exalt themselves as God on earth which is the first step toward their own death and the death of their followers, examples are Jim Jones, David Koresh, and on and on. If your spiritual leader is glorifying themselves instead of refusing the glory and redirecting it to God then you are on the path of self destruction even though it may seem like the right thing to do or allow your leader to do.