Where do our rights, like the freedom of conscience, come from? The Bill of Rights? Government? Church leaders? The Bible? God?
The real question is do they come from God or from man? If from man, they can be taken away, because what man has a right to give, he has a right to take away. If our rights, on the other hand, come from God, mere mortals cannot take them away. Politicians, kings, and despots may come and go, and may very well infringe on those rights. But they lord illegitimate authority, not God-given authority. The rights that unprincipled men usurp, in a proper worldview, can still be returned to their rightful owners by rejecting the usurpers. This is the concept of “natural rights.”
This idea is essential to American liberty, but should not be confused as a “political” idea. The concept is critical to all of humanity, greatly affecting our liberty from those in every generation who would attempt to rule over us, not just in the political realm, but in the spiritual as well. As humans, we must know from whom our rights originate. If we don’t, we’ll be easily enslaved, as the whole of human history shows.
Like the people who followed the Pharisees, the people following Stanton’s teachers have given their freedom of conscience over to them—not unlike Esau selling his birthright—and thus put themselves in bondage to them. And yes, “teachers” at Stanton are an exact replica of the “rabbis” of Jesus’s day in a very real sense, since “rabbi” just means “teacher,” and their sole purpose is to interpret the will of God
This bondage to the opinions of fallible humans is expressed by “seeking counsel” from the religious authorities–the teachers–not just in major decisions, like who you can date or marry, or where you can move, but also in everyday decisions, like what activities are acceptable for parents to let their kids take part in, whether you can have a glass of wine at a restaurant with your wife, or what clothing you can wear (without getting rebuked or looked down upon, at least).
In short, every decision in life must be run through the “counsel” of these self-appointed “rabbis.” In the first century, this was expressed by asking the rabbis if they should tithe their spice rack, or how long was a sabbath day’s journey, and if it’s “work” to help your ox out of a ditch. Now, it’s expressed by asking the rabbis if a family vacation is OK, or if one can go into another church’s meeting place for a wedding, or whether women can wear ankle bracelets. And the list goes on. And don’t think you can speak out against this rabbi class without repercussions. Remember, your right to hold your own conscience sacrosanct—to stand or fall before God alone—has been handed to the rabbis. You’ve sold that birthright for a bowl of soup, or some pretended unity.
Without true freedom of conscience, leaders cannot lead, they can only enforce. They become tyrants lording their own consciences over their subjects, whether intentionally or not; whether maliciously or not. This is indisputable when church members have no freedom of conscience of their own to form their own opinions. They must submit to the opinions of their superiors.
And this is the crux of the bondage Stanton members are in. They willfully hand their consciences over to their teachers/preachers/rabbis/pastors/overlords (a rose by any other name…), in the same way a Catholic might subject his conscience to that of his priest or pope. Opinions are handed down from above, and the people must accept them or have their consciences pressured, usually by social repercussions, into submission. But as my parents used to tell me as a teen, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.” He just can’t tell anyone without fear of reprisal.
The irony is that Alexander Campbell led the charge in freeing men’s consciences from the shackles of other religious leaders of his day. He argued strenuously for the elimination of manmade creeds, equating them to instruments of torture for the consciences of free people in his essay The Parable of the Iron Bedstead. But the heirs of his movement in the Stanton sect have designed stronger and more cunning shackles than their forebears, all but stripping any freedom of conscience from their subjects.
Stanton teachers may not have written creeds, but they sure do have plenty of unwritten ones. And one dare not cross them, under penalty of “withdrawal” for “murmuring.” As the saying goes, if you want to know who your masters are, find out who you’re not allowed to criticize.

If Peter, or Jesus, Paul, or any other New Testament writer had appealed to their religious authority instead of simple persuasion, we would be having a different discussion. They didn’t. They presented evidence and arguments with the intention of educating consciences and persuading them, not bringing them around by compulsion.
We have only to recognize Luke’s praise of the Bereans as “more noble than those in Thessalonica” to see this principle in action. Why were they “more noble,” we should ask? Because they searched the scriptures for themselves. It was not because they got the right answer from the most highly esteemed rabbi. Or the most highly esteemed evangelist or teacher, for that matter.
Well said, Kevin!! The teachers/leaders/Rabbis use what I call double speak-they will tell you that you can make your own decision. They will even tell you that they are NOT telling you what to do. But if you make the "wrong" decision and go against their "counsel", you will find out that you really didn't have a choice. You will suffer for making the "wrong" choice.
Take a look at what Gary said during his talk on Labor Day 2013. He says to "go ahead and look at it". Really? I dare those of you who are reading this blog to make it known that you are. See what happens. Did he really and truly mean that it was ok for you to read this blog, and that nothing would happen to you? That you would not be rebuked, or worse?
That, folks, is double speak. The person using it is laying a trap for you. Testing you.
And if you don't believe me, or Kevin, try it out! Don't wear knee hi's or socks to personal work. Don't wear a suit and jacket to Sunday worship. Tell, don't ask, your teacher that you are going on a vacation and will worship at another congregation that Sunday. See what happens!
The problem with this taking away of one's rights is that folks don't learn judgment. If a person can't exercise themselves, how do they learn? This sets them up to be oppressed, which is what the group wants.
But beware, because if you let the wrong people "oppress" (lead) you, you will be held accountable by the group too. You will be told how wrong you are and carnal, and that there is something wrong with you because you allowed yourself to be oppressed.
But in all of this, remember that your teacher may well be in that double bind too. They are between a rock and a hard place-they have to follow the party line whether they agree with it or not. They have to counsel and rebuke according to what the group's unwritten laws say. If they don't, they find themselves in trouble too.
We need to keep them all in prayers, and hope that they will be able to find their way out of the unrighteousness. And into the love of God and His Son.
Well stated Debby. I have always found it ridiculous that members are not able to openly disagree with a teacher by word or action but when the teacher is finally ousted for oppression the congregation is at fault for allowing themselves to be oppressed. This has happened recently in Phoenix.
I also agree that teachers, especially the ones who were quickly appointed to be 'the teacher' when the previous teacher fell, are teaching things they are being required to teach and not necessarily agree with. Everyone knows what happens to teachers who say "I can't teach that", just ask Tracy Geautreau. Can any readers remember other brave souls who dared try to change things?
I have something on my heart and it's been there for awhile, and I'd like to share it if ones will bear with me!
It wasn't just one thing that opened my eyes that I needed to leave the Stanton group. It was a lot of little things. Early on in my Christianity I had taken a scripture completely to heart and followed it "In all thy getting, get understanding". So I prayed and strove to understand scripture, my heart and God and Jesus. This led me to ask a lot of questions.
It was in that pursuit that I came to realize that the church that was first presented to me by the group was not the one I was actually a part of. For years I had labored under the delusion that it was a "church" that really did follow the bible and only "spoke where the bible spoke and was silent where the bible was silent." I knew that what I saw and heard being done in the group was not right.
I heard things being taught as doctrine but were actually private interpretations and personal opinions.
And, most of all, I was living with the realization that what I was seeing in my bible and what I was being taught by the group were not compatible. In fact, they were opposite. For now, I'm not going to get into what those things are, that's not the point of what I'm trying to say.
I'm speaking to those who are still in the group, and are living in fear everyday. You are actually a sheep in wolves' clothing. Outwardly you try to appear as if you are believing the same as the are, but inwardly you know you are not. And you are walking and living among them knowing that if they find you out, they will attack and devour you. You have seen what they do to those who dared to oppose them, even if done privately.
My heart and prayers go out to and for you. Because I understand the conflict you feel, and the fear you live with everyday. You may be asking yourself "what to do? If I leave, where will I go?" Even though you realize the Stanton group does not have the truth and doesn't honor it, you have been taught that no one else does either.
But what you need to remember is that we all have the Holy Spirit. Remember that He is in you, will guide you to all truth. He's not just there for "teachers and leaders" in the group. He will guide you into understandings just as He has been all along.
If you leave the group, it doesn't mean you have left God. Actually, you may be leaving so that you can continue to follow Him, and Christ. If you remain with the group, you cant really and truly follow Christ without getting into trouble with the group. You might even be withdrawn from.
This conflict over the group vs Christ will not go away by staying in the group. Instead, it will eat at you and will wear you down. It will begin to dull your conscience.
It takes great courage to walk away. Especially when you have given so much of yourself and life to the group. But take a look around you, think about it. Of all the people that have left the group, how many were really and truly anxious to return? I sure haven't seen a great crowd beating feet to get back in.
If you decide to leave, you have help here. I'm willing to share what worked for me, and I believe there are others here too that would be willing. Know that you are lovable, and are loved!
My prayers are for you, love Debby
I agree, Debby. I prayed and contemplated it and prayed about it for a long time before I left. I thought it was only me that thought this way, but withing me I knew I couldn't live the way the scriptures dictated and what was being required of the congregation by the leaders as they were not the same.
Through much prayer I found this blog and do see that I wasn't the only one and thank God that I found you all. I have learned so much on here. I read more than post. I have, also, gotten a lot more courage from you all.
I never made it to being a preacher or teacher, so my knowledge of what was going on in the brotherhood was very limited and I only have myself as an example and how this affected me. A am learned enough to know that what was going on was wrong.
Thank you all for your stories and courage as it has been helping me out a lot.
Kevin, you are so correct. This is why individual study is so crucial. In the nonmember classes is was said that people need to know their bibles because the preachers won't be there with them on judgement day. Well, the same goes for us. I will be held accountable for what I don't know and the sin that is in my life regardless of what the church leaders tell and/or teach us. Our leaders are not omnipotent nor infallible and my Christianity is up to me. I have to know the difference between right or wrong. Our leaders can help us, but it is up to me to know and have that knowledge and understanding.
Even though a church leader can be disciplined by God for false teaching, I will also be disciplined if I blindly follow them without having the knowledge of the scriptures.
Responsibility of my salvation is on me.
I did see what was happening as I was studying for myself and after I saw that the counseling was off I quit going to this congregation's leaders for it and it did not sit right with them. They brought it up a few times that I wouldn't counsel with them. Through my knowledge of the scriptures I knew the difference between right and wrong.
This needed to be said Kevin, thank you. I believe you are getting to heart of the problem in the church. Instead of a Christian being allowed to exercise their own conscience, the conscience of a few people living in South Carolina and California is forced upon the entire brotherhood. Babes are lead to believe that their teacher has some sort of special spiritual wisdom to run the lives of everyone in the their congregation and a few people living in South Carolina and San Diego have the special spiritual wisdom to run the entire brotherhood. Babes are encouraged from the beginning to seek counsel and they are taught to fear the repercussions of going against counsel. I believe the Staton church hierarchy is a dictatorship and has been since Merie started it.
Yes, freedom of conscience is a huge issue. I can tell that my mom and others in the sect have agreed with me on some of the points I've made over the years, but have been unwilling to say it for fear of reprisal.
TO "Grow in understanding" as per Merie's church means to allow your conscience to be taken over by your teacher's conscience. That phrase has been used so much to make you think that you're just not there yet and should comply until it is.
This is very true. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually believe it, but it ends up being a tool to keep people enslaved to false ideas.
If you can't question an idea for yourself (because that would be murmuring), and you have to blindly accept incorrect teaching from the teacher/preacher/evangelist until you "grow in understanding" because of a false idea of "unity," it becomes nearly impossible to purge erroneous ideas from the church.
Good point Seeking. If a member disagrees with something taught by the church they are told to 'put it on the back burner '.
I call it "to GROW IN COMMON SENSE"!
You would think that a cult that controls and incriminates its members would be easy to bring down by using the Bible. But as Kevin pointed out don't try to use the Bible against them unless you know it. Most cults and false religions are bible illiterate but these guys you don't want to debate. They will nail you to the wall. Interesting fact.
Clarification: They will throw a bunch of out of context verses at you to make you FEEL nailed to the wall…unless you know your Bible yourself to know the difference.
Just a few scriptures and one or two questions is good enough. John 13:35 says that by love all men will know you are my disciples, brotherly love is an identifying mark of Christians and then ask if child abuse is love and if not then why is it so common among their members? Ask if adultery is love and if they say no, then ask why teaching preachers, like the man from Albuquerque, condones it. Ask if extortion, the threat of having to go through some unpleasant experience for not complying is love, and if no then ask why members are threatened with withdrawal, mark and avoid. Ask if Merie was one of the inspired writers and if no then ask if Merie could have been wrong is any of her understandings or behaviors? Take and apply the Bible to their own teachings and behavior and it very clear how cold and even cruel they are to their own members in the name of God.
If only we could know the one that knows the difference in this world. So many opinions, so many doctrines, so many bible scholars. If I remember correctly the cult you speak of is taught to keep the scriptures in context from the time they are very young in the church. And they are taught to double check their teachers on everything. Can you refer us to someone we can trust?
@Anon 7:07…that's the point. You don't trust a fallible human being. You don't trust my word for it. You don't trust their word for it. You dig in, like the Bereans, to find out "whether these things are so."
As for them being taught from the beginning to keep the scriptures in context, I think their outlandish exegesis on numerous scriptures betrays their complete failure in that regard.
@Anon again, it sounds to me like you are speaking rather disingenuously, defending "the cult" by suggesting Biblical context is so confusing, we just have to trust "the cult."
"They are taught to double check their teachers on everything."
Really? Does that mean double check in order to "prove" to themselves that their teachers are right, or to genuinely question their teachers' doctrines? Because if you're theory is that the teachings of the church can be questioned by any member, 50 years of actual history, with a trail of withdrawn from folks who merely questioned teachings of the church, contradicts you're quaint theory.
Just to clarify-I was in the group for a very long time and we were NEVER taught to check the context, let alone double check the teachers. Of course, I did those things and was promptly and continuously rebuked for it.
If they really taught to do those things, then there would be healthy discussions, and it would be ok to disagree with someone's exegesis. But it's just not so in the group. You have to believe their interpretations, or stay silent, or be withdrawn from. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.
Thank you, Debbie. I think they start believing their own propaganda after awhile.
Great article!! Especially love the Voltaire quote, as you are absolutely not allowed to criticize the leaders or their ideas at all. There are discrete ways to disagree with them, but I haven't seen anyone disagree privately or publicly with a teacher and live to talk about it.
It's pathetic the Founders of America fought and bled for the right to free speech, yet Stanton, who refuses to fight at all, wants to suppress it and crush dissenters. We have plenty of evidence that shows when churches suppress dissent, it never ends up well. Catholics, the Salem Witch Trials, the Inquisition, the Catholic and Protestant wars in France and England, and the Anglican and Puritan clashes in England AMONG MANY OTHERS. But Stanton insists it's way is the only way.
When you crush dissent, you crush the heart and spirit of a man, and you open the door to his trying to grovel for approval among base pleasures, which the church objects to as well. Of course sin is always wrong, but Solomon rightly said, "Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad".
Not all man can be oppressed and hold up courageously under it. Many fall. Thankfully, God is merciful and sees all. He alone is the judge of all circumstances, and it is to him the oppressed should run to for solace in the time for trouble.
It is only when they learn to cast their cares upon him and to spurn temporal escapes that they are delivered from their oppression, for God has always delivered in a way that man never can.
When the mightiest army on earth sought to keep the Jews imprisoned, though the Jews had no weapons, things started happening that never happened before. The Red Sea parted, the Jews were delivered, and Pharaoh was destroyed.
God is able to make a way, where no way exists, to tear down the proud, and to raise the humble. No situation is too hard for him, no sinner out of the reach of his merciful hands. He is able to exalt the valley and to bring down the mountain. To make a day of the darkest night, and to blacken the brightest day. To comfort the disturbed, and to disturb the comfortable.
Alas, Stanton has done so much good, if only they would turn from their rebellion and pride, they surely would be redeemed. But they love to be right, and care more about who is right than what is actually right.
If a circumstance means admitting they are wrong and losing power, they won't do it. They would rather hold stubbornly to power that God never gave them, than to humble themselves under the mighty hand of God and let him exalt them in due season.
So be it. God lifts up, and he brings down. We reap what we sow. As some teachers in Stanton have torn others down wrongfully, so it shall be done to them.
Interesting comments, MC. I do agree with some of what you said but want to address your statement that "Stanton has done so much good." I think many cults or movements do good, but it is their longest lasting effects on us that should be judged. Sure in the short term there are good things. But in watching even the Scientology documentaries I found that was the same thing people said-that they got a lot of good from it.
I grew up in an evangelical church and I learned a lot of good things there too. But it wasn't for me. And neither was Merie's church. There's no changing it or wishing it were better in my opinion.
14 the kite, falcons of all kinds, 15 ravens of all kinds, 16 the eagle owl, the short-eared owl, the seagull, hawks of all kinds, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the barn owl, the desert owl, the Egyptian vulture, 19 the stork, herons of all kinds, the hoopoe, and the bat.
20 “You must not eat winged insects that walk along the ground; they are detestable to you.
21 You may, however, eat winged insects that walk along the ground and have jointed legs so they can jump.
22 The insects you are permitted to eat include all kinds of locusts, bald locusts, crickets, and grasshoppers.
23 All other winged insects that walk along the ground are detestable to you.
24 “The following creatures will make you ceremonially unclean. If any of you touch their carcasses, you will be defiled until evening.
25 If you pick up their carcasses, you must wash your clothes, and you will remain defiled until evening.
26 “Any animal that has split hooves that are not evenly divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you. If you touch the carcass of such an animal, you will be defiled.
27 Of the animals that walk on all fours, those that have paws are unclean. If you touch the carcass of such an animal, you will be defiled until evening.
28 If you pick up its carcass, you must wash your clothes, and you will remain defiled until evening. These animals are unclean for you.
29 “Of the small animals that scurry along the ground, these are unclean for you: the mole rat, the rat, large lizards of all kinds,
30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the common lizard, the sand lizard, and the chameleon.
31 All these small animals are unclean for you. If any of you touch the dead body of such an animal, you will be defiled until evening.
32 If such an animal dies and falls on something, that object will be unclean. This is true whether the object is made of wood, cloth, leather, or burlap. Whatever its use, you must dip it in water, and it will remain defiled until evening. After that, it will be ceremonially clean and may be used again.
33 “If such an animal falls into a clay pot, everything in the pot will be defiled, and the pot must be smashed.
34 If the water from such a container spills on any food, the food will be defiled. And any beverage in such a container will be defiled.
35 Any object on which the carcass of such an animal falls will be defiled. If it is an oven or hearth, it must be destroyed, for it is defiled, and you must treat it accordingly.
36 “However, if the carcass of such an animal falls into a spring or a cistern, the water will still be clean. But anyone who touches the carcass will be defiled.
37 If the carcass falls on seed grain to be planted in the field, the seed will still be considered clean.
38 But if the seed is wet when the carcass falls on it, the seed will be defiled.
39 “If an animal you are permitted to eat dies and you touch its carcass, you will be defiled until evening.
40 If you eat any of its meat or carry away its carcass, you must wash your clothes, and you will remain defiled until evening.
41 “All small animals that scurry along the ground are detestable, and you must never eat them.
42 This includes all animals that slither along on their bellies, as well as those with four legs and those with many feet. All such animals that scurry along the ground are detestable, and you must never eat them.
“Never argue with someone who believes their own lies.” – Unknown
“it’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”
Attributed to Twain
Here is a wonderful study of a rebellious woman, LIVE!
This is how they operate, though they don’t like to be exposed, so she’s hiding.
Notice, each string of 20+ comments she does from Leviticus, she finds a new post to post them on. She isn’t interested in listening, reading, or considering any other viewpoints.
She doesn’t think she needs to defend her beliefs. In her mind, she’s right, and the world must bow down to her beliefs.
This isn’t unique to her, the women teachers in Stanton have been doing this for 50 years, this is likely where this sadly deceived woman learned her beliefs.
43 Do not defile yourselves by touching them. You must not make yourselves ceremonially unclean because of them.
Epic temper tantrum by an ignorant woman,
Determined to drown out truth she doesn’t like.
Like Jezebel. She’s enabled, like women teachers in Stanton, by men who are like Ahab, who tolerate and encourage boisterous and defiant women.
“It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument.” – William G. McAdoo
Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.
John Milton, Areopagitica, 1644
Stanton has never had this liberty.
Communism and feminism are designed by Jews to silence anyone telling the truth about them.
It works very well.
19,500 cities in America and less than 10 have men telling the truth about the Jews in public.
Who are your enemies when you tell the truth about the Jews?
Not God. He’s your friend, and the only one you need.
Big celebrities, athletes, entertainers, newspapers, television, radio, corporations, politicians, brainwashed men and women, social media, and friends and family are all going to attack you.
Few people can handle the emotional shock,
Eve distracted Adam from Satan, and rebellious women distract today from the synagogue of Satan, who are behind every evil agenda that exists.
“Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise.”
– Cato the Elder
“He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak.”
– Michel de Montaigne
This is a problem women teachers in Stanton have had since day one.
This is why Merie wrote brethren letters and didn’t debate, because a good male preacher who knew the Bible would have smoked her in a debate.
Far be it from me to boast, but I have no problem admitting that if I had the opportunity to debate Merie today, it wouldn’t go well with her. She probably wouldn’t agree, she’d go right to the defense the women teachers led by Satan the accuser go for today. “Oh, TD, what about your past?”
What about my past? What God forgave is for only fools on this earth to still punish. And what about the major teachers pasts? Strangely, it seems their early lives were lived as angels, because we heard nothing bad of Merie’s early 40 years prior to the church, or any of the other teachers.
I don’t think Paul could be a preacher in Stanton today, because they’d be constantly reminding him that he was a murderer.
Paul would be withdrawn from by Stanton, because when he repeated his command for women to be silent, he’d be withdrawn from immediately, just as I was.
Pretty amazing we have a church that says they follow the Bible, but they would withdraw from the man who wrote over half the New Testament.