The San Antonio Church of Christ that is the subject of this page is not affiliated with any other mainline, conservative, or ICOC Church of Christ in the San Antonio area. This church believes theirs is the only one going to heaven, and they do not accept the baptisms of any other church—Church of Christ or otherwise. Is it a cult? You’ll have to decide for yourself.
San Antonio Church of Christ
435 Recoleta Rd
San Antonio, TX 78216
Brief history
If you are part of this congregation or have been in the past, please take some time to familiarize yourself with this website to learn more about the group’s origins, history, beliefs, rules, and practices. The sect’s founder, Merie Weiss was withdrawn from by East San Diego Church of Christ in 1958 for sowing discord and division. She eventually became the lead teacher in the Spring Valley Church of Christ, and the group militantly attempted to spread their brand of legalism around the country with new congregations. This San Antonio church is one of those “church plants.”
Neither San Antonio nor affiliated churches nationwide have elders, but teachers in lieu of elders who are the de facto leadership of the congregation. They say they aspire to have elders someday, but their interpretation of the qualifications for elders is such that no human could ever qualify. The sect has been around for 50 years and not one of them has elders.
Non-member classes
If someone from this church knocks on your door to invite you to a Bible study, understand that it is really what they call a non-member class, meant only for recruiting. It is not an open study of the Bible. As evidence, once you are “converted” (baptized) they will start introducing you to many extra-Biblical rules called judgments, arrived at by seeking counsel from a teacher.
They do not generally invite the public (non-members) to their Sunday services, because they have some practices that are off-putting to most people, like public confession and closed communion (they won’t serve the Lord’s supper to you). This is why they recruit exclusively through door knocking and inviting prospects to their non-member classes first (what they call “personal work” or “the work”).
Here is a recent example of a flyer passed out by this San Antonio church while knocking on doors:
One of the biggest dangers of this sect is their abuse of a practice they call withdrawal. This is their form of church discipline. Since they believe strongly that their entire brotherhood must have the exact same opinions on church doctrine, they hold an annual meeting called May Week to discuss matters of doctrine. The decisions that come out of this meeting cannot be openly or even privately criticized or questioned, not even to a spouse, under threat of withdrawal for what they call murmuring. Once withdrawn from, that member is not allowed to eat or socialize with other members.
Numerous fathers are withdrawn from, and if they have adult children in the sect, those children are not able to eat with or socialize with their father. As you can imagine, this divides families very quickly. The withdrawn from member is expected to come to church and sit in humble silence until making a public confession, and they cannot do that without advance permission of the teacher in charge of the congregation.
Good start, Kevin.
I would love to be a mouse in the corner and see for myself how their cult service is on a Sunday. So weird!
Anon 10:31 not sure if you mean San Antonio’s or the cults service in general. All the congregations should be similar in format. Open with a prayer, man has speaking part to prepare for public confessions. Prayer, Two songs no instruments. Speaking part to prepare for Lords Supper. Prayer for unleavened bread. It’s serverd to members. Prayer for fruit of the vine. It’s served to members. One song is sung. Speaking part to prepare for the collection. Prayer. Collection basket is passed around to members and children. One song in preparation for sermon. Sermons are generally boring and drawn out… Read more »
Oops there is the public confessions after the speaking part to prepare for public confessions. Which by the way is an add on to worship by the cult.
just curious kevin, who do you get your insight of the church in san antonio from? how do you know they are 100% truthful about everything they have to say about the church in san antonio before you post an entire article about it?
Anon 910, I left SA less than a year ago and while this text is just a duplicate of what he already had on this site, I am sure our conversation about the church verified that this is true in SA as in other churches that come from Merie Weiss's founding. I don't have anything to hide; I already was having doubts about the church and then finding that Merie Weiss actually founded it and was withdrawn from, the treatment of others and the elevation of "judgments", and it having a system without elders were enough for me to leave.… Read more »
I am glad you left and glad you found this blog and participating. I wish more would find it and participate in discussions.
Well said M. Long! Anon at 9:10-what should really make you wake up and take notice is that SA is just like ALL of the other congregations in Merie's group. You can keep looking the other way if you wish, but it doesn't change the reality or the facts. This group is a cult, and it is damaging families and relationships.I left in 2006, and it's appalling that ALL of the reasons I left are still valid. This group learns nothing and intends to change nothing. The leaders don't care about a person's spiritual growth, nor do they care about… Read more »
It is work to get out. Or be complacent and would you rather give your money to these liars and let them control you through guilt and shame. It is a sick sick game they are playing. You can get out and you can save yours and others souls by doing so.
@Debbie oh my that's so rude!!!i'm sorry that's happened did you like just go up to him and say it or like did you ease it in to a conversation? because every time i would ask a evangelist TC of GP they were never rude!!
Courious, but did they tell you how much they were taking from the treasuries and from which church? I wasn't able to find out either and I was a teacher in there at one time.
Anon at 6:07 AM:, no, he said it in a talk! He was trying to put a stop to people asking him how much he receives as an evangelist! So it was to all of us at the time, not just one person 🙂
Debby Stevens 3:46- Thank You for the kind suggestion of opening up my eyes, I appreciate your concern. But my eyes are fully open and although I may not agree with everything the church has to say or teaches, it is not the cultish place you all make it to seem. I used to attend the church in SA and I received nothing but the open and welcoming arms of the christians there and I was respected. The church did not bear their opinion on me or my conscience either. In fact, they told me that my conscience determines whether… Read more »
Anon 6:25, first of all, thanks for reading and engaging in a peaceful, rational way. This blog is about reasoning together, not bashing anyone. I am to speak the truth in love here. I don't know how long you've been in the sect, but their kinder/gentler way of letting you have your own conscience is typically followed by more and more stringent judgment upon you if you don't eventually come around to their view. And if you actually arrive at a different opinion based on scripture, you certainly can't question them or even voice your concern without being labeled a… Read more »
You are correct in that I don't want others to think for me, and tell me HOW to think as well!Your experience with the SA group sounds great! That was my experience while I was in Portland, OR too. It took a few years before things began to go sideways, and when I moved to Florida it got worse. I saw the same problems in the congregations that we met with. So, maybe-as Kevin said-it just hasn't happened to you yet, or maybe SA has changed.In every congregation that I was in, and was in contact with, there were wonderful… Read more »
Anon 625, I dont completely disagree. The church helped me in many areas too. MOST of the teachings there, which really Merie learned from the mainstream COCs she attended, are true. Unfortunately it's the system of power she set up that's the issue. If there is never an issue for you, then that works for you. It may not eventually for your children. Who knows. To Me, I could at the time deal with some things I saw as wrong. MOST weren't things that were on me. Maybe it was someone else being reproved publicly or gossipped about. Maybe it… Read more »
Well mlong the way i see the people didnt have to leave kids it was there own decision to or not.and you could go see your family in mexico ALL you want as long as you don't miss a worship or midweek. Heb 10:25
Anon 1108, Here's Hebrews 10 24-25And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. Yes we absolutely should attend where we assemble. However, my issue is calling it a SIN to miss a class. I do not believe that this is saying it's a SIN to miss. To me he is saying to strive to do this. And even so, why do people have to be publicly reproved for missing to… Read more »
And I have to ask here, with Heb 10, how does one know that he is speaking of worship and bible classes? How do we prove that? And how do we prove they met for bible classes? When you read Acts, they met daily. So which assembly can we prove he was exhorting to not forsake? The evangelist in the south told those of us in Lakeland that there is no scripture to support bible classes. He said the scripture he would use is the one in James that says "he who knows to do good and does it not,… Read more »
Debby, excellent points that I have often wondered. The "do good" scripture is used for all sorts of things, as is the forsaking assemblies one. All day Sundays, First Fridays, meetings, midweek classes, nonmember classes, personal work, men's works, babysitting, etc. You literally could have one week with all that crammed in it if it's the right calendar week! It's ridiculous what they demand! But it does exactly what is intended. It keeps members so busy they have no time for others outside the sect. I'm seeing the same thing in the place I now attend. It's amazing to be… Read more »
@MLong
i don't understand these. 24 has nothing to due with that but any ways i disagree because we will not forsake the assembly of of church for visitation i see it is a sin to miss class for no reason say you we're sick then i could see you staying home. but deep in mexico you cant if you can make it with out missing class.
Well I try to read scriptures in context, and 24 was part of the sentence in 25. Perhaps what stood out to me there is to stir each other in love… if someone forsake a class to see mom far away from a church, do we publicly deprive that person? Is that stirring someone with love?
Anyway I can see we are not in agreement. Thank you for your willingness to at least consider another viewpoint.
Anon 6:54, this verse is frequently misapplied, and not just by Stanton. Here's the passage: Hebrews 10:23-25 – Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. The letter to the Hebrews was circulated amongst the Jewish Christians to help them (a) understand the new covenant in context with the old and… Read more »
Both points of view are valid believe it or not. Some in the SCOC truly love it as they are treated like royalty recieveing free house repair, free car repair, free labor in their self employment business but only a few in each congregation can be supported by the rest. The rest of the brethren were expected to cater to and support the ruling elite. If you were on top life was great and if you were in the lower ranks life was miserable.
to be completely honest, alot of people have told me to read this blog because i am part of the "merie weiss" COC. and they said that it would help me to see that the church is wrong… and people have said that this blog can help one to question and what-not, but this blog didn't really effect me in anyway. i feel the same way that i do about the church. ive been in the church for 18 years and i love every bit of it and i would never leave or give it up. it is a home… Read more »
Anon 8:24, thanks for reading. I'm honored that you have taken the time to read the blog Yet you still attend, and although I don't understand it, I at least can respect your choice. Most people have formed their judgments of the blog based entirely on hearsay, and don't bother to check it out for themselves. All I've ever asked is a fair hearing by fair minded readers, and if what's written here hasn't changed your mind, I can't argue with that. Atheists read the Bible sometimes and still come away atheists, so I have to be content with the… Read more »
Anon at 8:24-It is great that you have taken the time to read this blog! And no one expects you to agree with all that is written here, I doubt you will find anyone on this blog that agrees with it all!However, there are a couple of things I'd like to point out.For one, you have to remember that a lot of the things that I have relayed on this blog were not well known events. Most happened in private, or "under the radar" so to speak. Not all were in the form of public rebukes. Also, event happened that… Read more »
Thank you, Debby. Wise words, and kindly spoken.
Anon 824: that's good for you if the church coincides with your beliefs and conscience in everything. The problem is when it doesn't for others. I should have been able to have a conversation with my own kids in my home without them pressured or even hinted to leave my home by others there. We should all have been taught to respect other's decisions yet instead teaching goes out to stop talking to their own parent. I'm sorry you don't see the abuse of withdrawal from family members such as parents and grandparents as dangerous. Because in the long term… Read more »
Anon 8:24. Truth of the matter Merie’s church is a cult. Truth of the matter things that are negative being said about certain members is because they did evil things that harmed and continue to harm families such as mine. Everything I’ve commented on is truth and fact. From this haha withdrawn from NONMEMBER. Really you’ve read all the articles and all the comments. Wow I was totally disgusted I was ever stepped foot in such an evil organization. My Nonmember conscious was sickened. I would never give a thought to be apart of these so called Christians. No elders… Read more »
Anon 8:24 What was said earlier was correct in that they mainstream members didn't know what was going on how they were treating some members. I don't want to hash over what I went through as you can read it on the left of this blog. It is really easy to show love to people while they are in front of you, but can be challenges to some in the private. I can show up with smiles and shake your hand and bring food to fellowships, but what about extending myself to those who are in physical, emotional, and/or spiritual… Read more »